A little SGC nightmare - Page 2

Archimedes · 03-31-2021, 08:09 PM

Just curious - what's wrong with a one touch?

onakesselrun · 03-31-2021, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rememberthepast

What’s the raw value of the card?

Around $700 - PSA 9.5 went for $1500. Was expecting to get about $1000 - $1200 at auction -

KhalDrogo · 03-31-2021, 08:12 PM

Sounds about right for these scumbags. Sorry you are dealing with this. I agree with trying to get the refund through UPS. Force them to commit a criminal act.

PSA2Pac · 03-31-2021, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I hate when eBay sellers send me cards in one touch’s. If the listing shows the card in a one touch, I always ask them to take it out before sending. I’ve had cards arrive just fine, but I’ve had a few damaged in the mail as well. Penny sleeve and top loader work great, Card Savers also work well. I’ve never had an issues with those.

Me too, the first card ever sent to me in a one touch arrived damaged.

PSA2Pac · 03-31-2021, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

Just curious - what's wrong with a one touch?

Nothings wrong with one touches for storing cards. The issue is shipping them in em.

For me, my card arrived not properly seated. I dont know what happened but there was a huge imprint on the card where it slipped out underneath.

itradeerrors · 03-31-2021, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by beaverman3001

Posting this on here when talking about potentially signing an NDA is probably a good way to get that offer retracted.

Yes especially since their lawyer is a member on this forum.

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Originally Posted by onakesselrun

Im pretty sure that SGC would rather die than have to hire a lawyer to craft an NDA, possibly proving that they are IN FACT, responsible for damaging the card. However, even if I did sign an NDA, it would be about the pictures and their apparently proprietary methods for how they open packages.

They already have a lawyer and he is fricken amazing at his job. He is a little delicate and sensitive though.

I would take their offer if reasonable and be happy.

Rememberthepast · 03-31-2021, 08:53 PM

I had a redemption from Panini sent in a one touch that was taped at the top and still the card arrived not properly seated. Luckily it wasn’t damaged in any way. I also ask not to send in a one touch, but to include the one touch possibly.

Bruins1993 · 03-31-2021, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by itradeerrors

Yes especially since their lawyer is a member on this forum.

They already have a lawyer and he is fricken amazing at his job. He is a little delicate and sensitive though.

S_C asking onakesselrun to sign an NDA due to an explanation of UPS damaging the card is laughable all in itself.

Why do you say he is amazing?

rebbrooks · 03-31-2021, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

S_C asking onakesselrun to sign an NDA due to an explanation of UPS damaging the card is laughable all in itself.

Why do you say he is amazing?

He's probably that lawyer.

onakesselrun · 03-31-2021, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by itradeerrors

Yes especially since their lawyer is a member on this forum.

They already have a lawyer and he is fricken amazing at his job. He is a little delicate and sensitive though.

I would take their offer if reasonable and be happy.

lol - all lawyers are delicate and sensitive - I've spent the last 18 years of my life with one. Honestly though, this is the craziest #@#@#@#@ and Im still trying understand what the real story is, because hardly any of this makes any sense and I have tried logic -- which is probably my real issue.

ThoseBackPages · 03-31-2021, 09:04 PM

dude, you called them on their bluff, and they lost! HAHAH

mintacular · 03-31-2021, 09:10 PM

So you've never sent a card to grading and you sent it in a one touch. And we are to believe you and not SGC even though you didn't follow procedures and the instructions provided to you? I believe you must accept terms of condition which probably make you agree to how to ship cards properly, which again you did not do. Cards can easily fall out and slide around in a one touch and so you want SGC to take the bullet for this one?

Also, all your whining in paragraph one about the meter not being updated, etc. your emails to them, sounds like they were VERY responsive. Do you think PSA would have even responded once? You also realize the desk person and the UPS folks who drop/receive hundreds of packages a day aren't going to mark anything damaged unless it is VERY obvious. Clearly, the damage wasn't noticed until they later upon the packaged and the card at that point must have shifted around in transit.

Chiefnocahoma · 03-31-2021, 09:12 PM

Do grading companies accept submissions in one touches?

itradeerrors · 03-31-2021, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by onakesselrun

lol - all lawyers are delicate and sensitive - I've spent the last 18 years of my life with one. Honestly though, this is the craziest #@#@#@#@ and Im still trying understand what the real story is, because hardly any of this makes any sense and I have tried logic -- which is probably my real issue.

You are getting a lot of very bad advice. Take your emotions out of this and take a reasonable offer since you DID NOT fallow instruction on how to submit a card.

Best of luck.

ThoseBackPages · 03-31-2021, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnocahoma

Do grading companies accept submissions in one touches?

legit companies do

dio · 03-31-2021, 09:20 PM

You spent 200 bucks for 1-3 day expedite and shipping total 250 on a card worth 700 raw and lucky to get 1200 to get the grade u think will get and in auction. If u get an 8 you lose money. Nice

KhalDrogo · 03-31-2021, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mintacular

So you've never sent a card to grading and you sent it in a one touch. And we are to believe you and not SGC even though you didn't follow procedures and the instructions provided to you? I believe you must accept terms of condition which probably make you agree to how to ship cards properly, which again you did not do. Cards can easily fall out and slide around in a one touch and so you want SGC to take the bullet for this one?

Also, all your whining in paragraph one about the meter not being updated, etc. your emails to them, sounds like they were VERY responsive. Do you think PSA would have even responded once? You also realize the desk person and the UPS folks who drop/receive hundreds of packages a day aren't going to mark anything damaged unless it is VERY obvious. Clearly, the damage wasn't noticed until they later upon the packaged and the card at that point must have shifted around in transit.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

A package that arrives without damage but has damaged contents inside due to poor packaging isn’t the fault of the shipping company. If that had been the truth, SGC wouldn’t have blamed it on UPS. They would have blamed it on OP, and been right to do so.

Gotta love these SGC employees, uh, defenders.

mintacular · 03-31-2021, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

legit companies do

Like who? Not PSA SGC BGS. I've never heard of a TPG wanting/accepting cards via a one-touch...I can't tell you how many times I've seen the bottom edge of a card out of the one-touch with the bottom edge resting cringingly at the bottom of the whole holder--probably what happened here. Not enough suction to hold these cards in place

SupermanBrandon · 03-31-2021, 09:32 PM

I urge anyone thats considering subbing w/ SGC to spend 5 minutes on their IG page. Look at their official posts. It wont take you long to realize how big of scumbags these guys are. It's a true embarrassment.

sickmantz · 03-31-2021, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I urge anyone thats considering subbing w/ SGC to spend 5 minutes on their IG page. Look at their official posts. It wont take you long to realize how big of scumbags these guys are. It's a true embarrassment.

And I've had nothing but great experiences with them.

Even got them to explain, in detail, why they gave the card the grade they did.

ThoseBackPages · 03-31-2021, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mintacular

Like who? Not PSA SGC BGS. I've never heard of a TPG wanting/accepting cards via a one-touch...I can't tell you how many times I've seen the bottom edge of a card out of the one-touch with the bottom edge resting cringingly at the bottom of the whole holder--probably what happened here. Not enough suction to hold these cards in place

you might have heard we are in a pandemic which has hurt the availability of Card Savers. That was when they said they dont recommend it, but accepted them

ThoseBackPages · 03-31-2021, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sickmantz

And I've had nothing but great experiences with them.

Even got them to explain, in detail, why they gave the card the grade they did.

yet they cant provide the OP with pictures?

mintacular · 03-31-2021, 09:38 PM

Sounds like the OP is spinning here to make his side of the story sound reasonable but clearly a bunch of fabrication here.

SGC: "So we need you to sign an NDA, in order to get all the video and pictures"
Me: "ok no problem, send me the forms, if this is a delivery issue, all those pictures will be needed for evidence in an insurance claim with UPS"
SGC: "We'd rather not deal with lawyers, so I have been authorized to give you $800 for the card, even though we definitely didnt damage it"
Me: "wait, so you'd rather pay me $800, then send one picture proving the damage happened during transit, and have UPS pay the insurance claim?
SGC: "we're a reputable company and we have all the evidence and we just dont want to deal with lawyers.
SGC: ok, well $800 isn't enough, -- i want blah blah and the card back. And the expedited fees paid for".

mintacular · 03-31-2021, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you might have heard we are in a pandemic which has hurt the availability of Card Savers. That was when they said they dont recommend it, but accepted them

Toploaders yes but didn't hear that about one touches plus that was a while ago they aren't that hard to find.

You don't think the OP could have wrangled up ONE toploader or CS1?

Point being it's easy to get on here and blast a company with one-sided version of events but clearly the OP could very well be the one responsible for the damage to the card. In fact, if I had to guess, based on his lack of experience, he probably is.

KhalDrogo · 03-31-2021, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mintacular

Sounds like the OP is spinning here to make his side of the story sound reasonable but clearly a bunch of fabrication here.

SGC: "So we need you to sign an NDA, in order to get all the video and pictures"
Me: "ok no problem, send me the forms, if this is a delivery issue, all those pictures will be needed for evidence in an insurance claim with UPS"
SGC: "We'd rather not deal with lawyers, so I have been authorized to give you $800 for the card, even though we definitely didnt damage it"
Me: "wait, so you'd rather pay me $800, then send one picture proving the damage happened during transit, and have UPS pay the insurance claim?
SGC: "we're a reputable company and we have all the evidence and we just dont want to deal with lawyers.
SGC: ok, well $800 isn't enough, -- i want blah blah and the card back. And the expedited fees paid for".

You picked the wrong company to be sponsored by. Step your game up and get sponsored by PSA like me.

03-31-2021, 08:53 PM	#32
Rememberthepast Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: MI Posts: 5,018 Wannabeoldschool	I had a redemption from Panini sent in a one touch that was taped at the top and still the card arrived not properly seated. Luckily it wasn’t damaged in any way. I also ask not to send in a one touch, but to include the one touch possibly. __________________ -PC Allen & Ginter Unripped Detroit Tigers & Presidents. -PC Tarik Skubal of the Detroit Tigers. -PC Corey Davis in both College and Pro Uniform.

03-31-2021, 09:04 PM	#36
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,421 ThoseBackPages	dude, you called them on their bluff, and they lost! HAHAH __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

03-31-2021, 09:10 PM	#37
mintacular Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: USA Posts: 311 thatguy822 thatguy822	One touch So you've never sent a card to grading and you sent it in a one touch. And we are to believe you and not SGC even though you didn't follow procedures and the instructions provided to you? I believe you must accept terms of condition which probably make you agree to how to ship cards properly, which again you did not do. Cards can easily fall out and slide around in a one touch and so you want SGC to take the bullet for this one? Also, all your whining in paragraph one about the meter not being updated, etc. your emails to them, sounds like they were VERY responsive. Do you think PSA would have even responded once? You also realize the desk person and the UPS folks who drop/receive hundreds of packages a day aren't going to mark anything damaged unless it is VERY obvious. Clearly, the damage wasn't noticed until they later upon the packaged and the card at that point must have shifted around in transit. Last edited by mintacular; 03-31-2021 at 09:13 PM.

03-31-2021, 09:12 PM	#38
Chiefnocahoma Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 261	Do grading companies accept submissions in one touches? Last edited by Chiefnocahoma; 03-31-2021 at 09:16 PM. Reason: Change

03-31-2021, 08:09 PM	#26
Archimedes Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,785	Just curious - what's wrong with a one touch?

03-31-2021, 08:12 PM	#28
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,379	Sounds about right for these scumbags. Sorry you are dealing with this. I agree with trying to get the refund through UPS. Force them to commit a criminal act.

03-31-2021, 09:20 PM	#41
dio Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: california, bay area Posts: 395 dioworld	You spent 200 bucks for 1-3 day expedite and shipping total 250 on a card worth 700 raw and lucky to get 1200 to get the grade u think will get and in auction. If u get an 8 you lose money. Nice

03-31-2021, 09:32 PM	#44
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	I urge anyone thats considering subbing w/ SGC to spend 5 minutes on their IG page. Look at their official posts. It wont take you long to realize how big of scumbags these guys are. It's a true embarrassment.

03-31-2021, 09:38 PM	#48
mintacular Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: USA Posts: 311 thatguy822 thatguy822	Sounds like the OP is spinning here to make his side of the story sound reasonable but clearly a bunch of fabrication here. SGC: "So we need you to sign an NDA, in order to get all the video and pictures" Me: "ok no problem, send me the forms, if this is a delivery issue, all those pictures will be needed for evidence in an insurance claim with UPS" SGC: "We'd rather not deal with lawyers, so I have been authorized to give you $800 for the card, even though we definitely didnt damage it" Me: "wait, so you'd rather pay me $800, then send one picture proving the damage happened during transit, and have UPS pay the insurance claim? SGC: "we're a reputable company and we have all the evidence and we just dont want to deal with lawyers. SGC: ok, well $800 isn't enough, -- i want blah blah and the card back. And the expedited fees paid for".