First Buzz: 2020-21 Panini Prizm basketball cards

[bloodwings19]

Originally Posted by Giannis34fan

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this! Yes, I opened most of it and did well. Haha 😀

I saw that and guess what I only bought 4 hangers and left the rest for adults. Me dummy.

[yanksfan1]

So if hangers are going for over $100 out of the gate, where do the megas start? $300?

[kobebeast2020]

Originally Posted by miamitrev2

There are all kinds of people in the world. If my circumstances were different and I needed the $ to feed my family Id be out there in line too

I would venture to guess that 90% of people waiting don't have families if they do I would love for them to let me know how they figure out the time.

[kobebeast2020]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

If the hype is real for the 2021 football and 2021-22 basketball class this seasons football and basketball prices will be nothing compared to next season. I don't know how people afford it now especially if you have a normal or below average job and a family. But mostly everything keeps going up regardless.

Debt ...

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Well, gotta admit. Lasted longer than I thought it would.

Ha - sorry to pop your pandemic-free bubble.

[Supper89]

This thread currently: Prizm is too expensive

This thread in 6 months: anyone got any Prizm???

[Slvnumber2]

20-21 Prizm is going for $1800-2500 per hobby box from what I can tell which means packs are $150-225. What player or pull in this product is going to be worth that price per pack/box? Rookie class this year is very poor, and even if you get one of the top ones you may break even. People are really waiting in line 6-8 hours for Lemelo or Edwards ��

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

20-21 Prizm is going for $1800-2500 per hobby box from what I can tell which means packs are $150-225. What player or pull in this product is going to be worth that price per pack/box? Rookie class this year is very poor, and even if you get one of the top ones you may break even. People are really waiting in line 6-8 hours for Lemelo or Edwards ��

The vast majority waiting in line could care less who is in what product. I'd bet 80% of these people waiting couldn't name you 5 rookies in Prizm. The hobby landscape has completely changed in the past year as everyone knows. It's now at least 95% flipper/investor/hoarder/reseller less than 5% collector.

[miamitrev2]

Originally Posted by kobebeast2020

I would venture to guess that 90% of people waiting don't have families if they do I would love for them to let me know how they figure out the time.

They could have elderly or disabled family members they look after but in the end its irrelevant. I just think its wild how many people on here judge how complete strangers spend their time. Do we judge people who line up outside home improvment stores hoping someone will hire them to work their arse off all day? No we do not. Why is this any different, because it makes it harder for the rest of us to get cards?

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Ha - sorry to pop your pandemic-free bubble.

It's okay, it was only a matter of time. Just glad we're on the other side of this thing.

[Metalbreath]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

The vast majority waiting in line could care less who is in what product. I'd bet 80% of these people waiting couldn't name you 5 rookies in Prizm. The hobby landscape has completely changed in the past year as everyone knows. It's now at least 95% flipper/investor/hoarder/reseller less than 5% collector.

Walked up on some freshly stocked Donruss bball and Topps bball among a few other things and a older woman walks up seeming super anxious starts quizzing me on what she should buy to resell. This is the stuff that makes collectors want to get back to the way it used to be. Even if that means giving up the 400% profit now attitude.

[jdhaugh11]

Originally Posted by Metalbreath

Walked up on some freshly stocked Donruss bball and Topps bball among a few other things and a older woman walks up seeming super anxious starts quizzing me on what she should buy to resell. This is the stuff that makes collectors want to get back to the way it used to be. Even if that means giving up the 400% profit now attitude.

You should of told her that cards are on their way out & beanie babies are making a comeback! LOL
Remember back in 2013 & 2014 when just about every product was tanking & could be had for like $40-$50!
A product like Elite Series released at $250 and got down to $50. But even at that price, it wasn't like I made a ton off of it. That is why it's funny to see prices like 10 times higher, even with singles selling better.

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[k13]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

20-21 Prizm is going for $1800-2500 per hobby box from what I can tell which means packs are $150-225. What player or pull in this product is going to be worth that price per pack/box? Rookie class this year is very poor, and even if you get one of the top ones you may break even. People are really waiting in line 6-8 hours for Lemelo or Edwards ��

Every rookie low numbered from a hobby box will get you that back.

Do you know what silvers of some of the rookies are selling for?

This class is way underrated.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

You should of told her that cards are on their way out & beanie babies are making a comeback! LOL
Remember back in 2013 & 2014 when just about every product was tanking & could be had for like $40-$50!
A product like Elite Series released at $250 and got down to $50. But even at that price, it wasn't like I made a ton off of it. That is why it's funny to see prices like 10 times higher, even with singles selling better.

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I would have been more like, "Why are you here if you don't know what you're doing?"

[Hoopscardz83]

Originally Posted by miamitrev2

3 Retail boxes of Donruss no, 3 retail boxes of Prizm not ideal but more than a grand for very little work? Yeah I can see why people do it

Prizm is out for a month max. Not all product will get that payday for the Gary V kids.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

20-21 Prizm is going for $1800-2500 per hobby box from what I can tell which means packs are $150-225. What player or pull in this product is going to be worth that price per pack/box? Rookie class this year is very poor, and even if you get one of the top ones you may break even. People are really waiting in line 6-8 hours for Lemelo or Edwards ��

The whole "rookie class is poor" argument is getting tired. Just look at sales. Ball, Edward's, Wiseman, Quickley, Haliburton, William's, Bey, Toppin, Maledon, Bane, Anthony, Green, Stewart, McDaniels, Pokusevski...to name a few whose parallels are 3-4 figures. It's insane.

[Mac302]

Originally Posted by k13

Every rookie low numbered from a hobby box will get you that back.

Do you know what silvers of some of the rookies are selling for?

This class is way underrated.

Getting money for those low numbered rookies will only last a very short time.

[brock]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

The whole "rookie class is poor" argument is getting tired. Just look at sales. Ball, Edward's, Wiseman, Quickley, Haliburton, William's, Bey, Toppin, Maledon, Bane, Anthony, Green, Stewart, McDaniels, Pokusevski...to name a few whose parallels are 3-4 figures. It's insane.

I believe you have to divorce the quality of the class from price of the singles. People were paying hundreds and even thousands for Bol Bol cards last season at the start of the bubble.

No doubt that one as experienced as you, auctionjmm, can rip, list immediately and derive some value (with a touch of luck... 2 Lamelos /60 in a case or so of product is not the norm). This ability to quickly churn through product at it's peak hype moment should not be confused with quality of the draft class. I have exactly ZERO excitement for any of these players outside of Ball and I'd say my excitement for Ball began to break a few weeks ago.

All that being said, I always love your posts explaining how much you ripped and how much you profited. It is impressive and fun to read.


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[mvp]

Curious, what is the favoured auto subset? It looks like we have Signatures, Penmanship, and Sensational Signatures.

I really don’t understand why we need all three.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by brock

I believe you have to divorce the quality of the class from price of the singles. People were paying hundreds and even thousands for Bol Bol cards last season at the start of the bubble.

No doubt that one as experienced as you, auctionjmm, can rip, list immediately and derive some value (with a touch of luck... 2 Lamelos /60 in a case or so of product is not the norm). This ability to quickly churn through product at it's peak hype moment should not be confused with quality of the draft class. I have exactly ZERO excitement for any of these players outside of Ball and I'd say my excitement for Ball began to break a few weeks ago.

All that being said, I always love your posts explaining how much you ripped and how much you profited. It is impressive and fun to read.


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You are correct in that singles sales are not always indicative of talent. There have been many threads about great players who don't sell well either, so we see the opposite where some guys are just under appreciated in the hobby world.

My comment was within the context of "why would people stand in line" or "why would people pay X amount for this class", which I keep reading over and over again here. I suspect the majority of people standing in line are doing so with intent to profit. Whether they are opening their blasters or selling them sealed I don't think people are going through that to hold the product. So if we are talking about strictly value, it makes sense. I don't know why someone like Saddiq Bey is selling like a top pick in previous years, but I know to capitalize on it if I can.

Thanks for your comment about my posts. Back in the day I used to start a thread and post full breakdowns of the cases with pics and comments on the product. Unfortunately I have become too busy to really take the time to do that anymore. I was very lucky with the Ball oranges, but I am hoping I won't need them. My intent on a large break is to profit without a big hit. If I think the risk is low, I give it a shot. The benefit is the more you open, the better your odds of a bigger card. So I enjoy chasing the gravy cards even if I don't expect them. We'll see how it all breaks down in the end. I have a little over 31k into these 15 boxes. I will be curious to see where sales stand when it's all said and done. I want to see if I could have profited without the Balls. It would be great if those two cards were not needed to show a profit here.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

The whole "rookie class is poor" argument is getting tired. Just look at sales. Ball, Edward's, Wiseman, Quickley, Haliburton, William's, Bey, Toppin, Maledon, Bane, Anthony, Green, Stewart, McDaniels, Pokusevski...to name a few whose parallels are 3-4 figures. It's insane.

Why is it getting tired? You are conflating a players ability on the court with value in the hobby, and in short term you will have people paying dumb prices because of product scarcity, flippers, or people wanting to make a quick $$. The point being is because someone sells for $500 as soon as they are pulled from a pack that costs $200 does not mean they are a good player. Bol Bol went for a lot of money last year because of one game so that means he is a good player right? Pretty sure those that bought his cards last year love the fact he averages 3.5 points a game and a PSA 10 Prizm is under $10.

The players you listed above is a very poor rookie class. Wiseman is already being discussed as trade bait, Edwards will be lost in Minny, Ball has played well, and Quickley is the surprise in the class - kid is a great shooter. Total of 8 players in double figures scoring is not exactly setting the world on fire, so class lacks not only star power but depth.

[Treymond Green]

Whats the window on how long Prizms show up in retail? 1 month?

Im not a flipper, Im just a Haliburton believer and a collector. Also, dont be surprised when Lamelo turns out to be Michael Carter Williams. Not a popular take, I understand.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

Why is it getting tired? You are conflating a players ability on the court with value in the hobby, and in short term you will have people paying dumb prices because of product scarcity, flippers, or people wanting to make a quick $$. The point being is because someone sells for $500 as soon as they are pulled from a pack that costs $200 does not mean they are a good player. Bol Bol went for a lot of money last year because of one game so that means he is a good player right? Pretty sure those that bought his cards last year love the fact he averages 3.5 points a game and a PSA 10 Prizm is under $10.

The players you listed above is a very poor rookie class. Wiseman is already being discussed as trade bait, Edwards will be lost in Minny, Ball has played well, and Quickley is the surprise in the class - kid is a great shooter. Total of 8 players in double figures scoring is not exactly setting the world on fire, so class lacks not only star power but depth.

See my explanation above. I am speaking from the context of value, not talent. People ask the question "why" in terms of standing in line or paying crazy money for boxes. The explanation is that these players sell well. Cause and effect. You wouldn't see crazy wax prices if these players were valued based on their true skill or potential. The tiring part is the endless comments or threads these past few months about how the market will likely correct due to the poor class. And yet it's only getting hotter. At some point, which IMO has passed, we need to accept the fact that the consumer doesn't seem to care where this class lines up with previous ones. The customer has spoken.

[joeed10]

Found an empty box last night at my local Walmart

[Mac302]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

See my explanation above. I am speaking from the context of value, not talent. People ask the question "why" in terms of standing in line or paying crazy money for boxes. The explanation is that these players sell well. Cause and effect. You wouldn't see crazy wax prices if these players were valued based on their true skill or potential. The tiring part is the endless comments or threads these past few months about how the market will likely correct due to the poor class. And yet it's only getting hotter. At some point, which IMO has passed, we need to accept the fact that the consumer doesn't seem to care where this class lines up with previous ones. The customer has spoken.

That's not what everyone is saying....they are saying it won't last....just like it didn't last for players like Bol Bol like several others have already said.

So unless you are buying up 31k worth of product like you (which is mind boggling to me I'm hoping you do this for somewhat a living) and ripping and dumping fast you'll end up in debt.