First Buzz: 2020-21 Panini Prizm basketball cards

[brettmik59]

Originally Posted by Mac302

Getting money for those low numbered rookies will only last a very short time.

Yeah it's a short-term focus right now in the hobby, and card prices are tied to wax prices. But you gotta ask yourself, in 5 years who is gonna be buying all these hacks? Unless you're a legit star, like perennial all-star, nobody cares long term. How many of those are in this class?

[bulljh]

This is the adult version of hot potato

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Mac302

That's not what everyone is saying....they are saying it won't last....just like it didn't last for players like Bol Bol like several others have already said.

So unless you are buying up 31k worth of product like you (which is mind boggling to me I'm hoping you do this for somewhat a living) and ripping and dumping fast you'll end up in debt.

When has it ever lasted though? 99% of singles will go down in linear fashion from the day of release across all major sports and entertainment. With the exception of the few, like Bol Bol, who catch fire for a week or two, or guys like Doncic who actually do become worthwhile investments, this is the norm. If we are talking about breakers/flippers/stores, etc. the move is always to sell quick. The guy I quoted was saying that this was a breakeven at best if you hit a top rookie. I argued that this is not true. Will it be true in 2 months? Perhaps, but that has nothing to do with people who are buying the product today. If you are sitting on your hands because you think the rookie class is weak, you are missing out on opportunity. That's all I'm saying.

To answer your question, yes, this is a business for me. I spent 40k on Donruss and 31k on Prizm and will have it all back plus profits in short order.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Treymond Green

Whats the window on how long Prizms show up in retail? 1 month?

Im not a flipper, Im just a Haliburton believer and a collector. Also, dont be surprised when Lamelo turns out to be Michael Carter Williams. Not a popular take, I understand.

Football was an 8-10 week run. probably similar here. there will be a lot of retail formats to work through from hangers to cellos, blasters, megas, and gravity feed.


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[Mac302]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

When has it ever lasted though? 99% of singles will go down in linear fashion from the day of release across all major sports and entertainment. With the exception of the few, like Bol Bol, who catch fire for a week or two, or guys like Doncic who actually do become worthwhile investments, this is the norm. If we are talking about breakers/flippers/stores, etc. the move is always to sell quick. The guy I quoted was saying that this was a breakeven at best if you hit a top rookie. I argued that this is not true. Will it be true in 2 months? Perhaps, but that has nothing to do with people who are buying the product today. If you are sitting on your hands because you think the rookie class is weak, you are missing out on opportunity. That's all I'm saying.

To answer your question, yes, this is a business for me. I spent 40k on Donruss and 31k on Prizm and will have it all back plus profits in short order.

Well then that makes sense but for a majority of the people it's not a business and to buy a bunch of retail/hobby in hopes that it will become an investment down the road is not a possibility.....but for a person in your shoes who is doing this to make a living it makes sense because you have the time to dedicate your life style to doing this day in and day out hours at a time

[k13]

Originally Posted by brettmik59

Yeah it's a short-term focus right now in the hobby, and card prices are tied to wax prices. But you gotta ask yourself, in 5 years who is gonna be buying all these hacks? Unless you're a legit star, like perennial all-star, nobody cares long term. How many of those are in this class?

Who cares...it has been like this for 30 + years.

Look at all the garbage prospects baseball people buy that don't even make the majors. Every year. Rinse repeat.

Card prices are not tied to wax. Wax is tied to card prices.

[k13]

Remember when everyone here was buying Jabari Parker like he was Giannis and no one thought anything of it.

Now everything just got an extra 0 beside it.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by Treymond Green

Whats the window on how long Prizms show up in retail? 1 month?

Im not a flipper, Im just a Haliburton believer and a collector. Also, dont be surprised when Lamelo turns out to be Michael Carter Williams. Not a popular take, I understand.

El Oh El.

Lamelo and MCW....my goodness the hot takes are scorching today!!!

[k13]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

El Oh El.

Lamelo and MCW....my goodness the hot takes are scorching today!!!

Rookie year and MCW had a way tougher NBA to deal with.

MCW 16.7/6.2/6.3/1.9
Lamelo 15.9/5.9/6.2/1.6




Lamelo will be MCW in about 4-5 years.
Except the NBA is a joke now so he'll survive longer.

[Asian62150]

Except LaMelo has way better shooting %s and will hopefully improve.

[brettmik59]

Originally Posted by k13

Who cares...it has been like this for 30 + years.

Look at all the garbage prospects baseball people buy that don't even make the majors. Every year. Rinse repeat.

Card prices are not tied to wax. Wax is tied to card prices.

It hasn't been like this at all. Box prices are up 5-20x in 2 years depending on the product. Normally a rookie class like this would be easily thrown into the dust bin of history like early 2000's before 03-04. Draft class just no longer matters with all the new money flowing in. Question is what happens when the hype fades.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by k13

Rookie year and MCW had a way tougher NBA to deal with.

MCW 16.7/6.2/6.3/1.9
Lamelo 15.9/5.9/6.2/1.6




Lamelo will be MCW in about 4-5 years.
Except the NBA is a joke now so he'll survive longer.

You do know MCW was 3 years older when he was a rookie, right? And that was the reason so many were down on him even as a rookie.

It still doesn't make sense how much he fell from grace but you get the point.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

When has it ever lasted though? 99% of singles will go down in linear fashion from the day of release across all major sports and entertainment. With the exception of the few, like Bol Bol, who catch fire for a week or two, or guys like Doncic who actually do become worthwhile investments, this is the norm. If we are talking about breakers/flippers/stores, etc. the move is always to sell quick. The guy I quoted was saying that this was a breakeven at best if you hit a top rookie. I argued that this is not true. Will it be true in 2 months? Perhaps, but that has nothing to do with people who are buying the product today. If you are sitting on your hands because you think the rookie class is weak, you are missing out on opportunity. That's all I'm saying.

To answer your question, yes, this is a business for me. I spent 40k on Donruss and 31k on Prizm and will have it all back plus profits in short order.

Have you ever fought of breaking down what you rip and sell per release, putting it on a website and charge for it? I for one would gladly pay to see prices and ROI on release but I'm too damn lazy to spend hours gathering data and summarizing it.

[Mac302]

Also anyone that thinks anyone not buying hobby boxes/retail secondary right now is "missing an opportunity" is bat s**t crazy

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by k13

Rookie year and MCW had a way tougher NBA to deal with.

MCW 16.7/6.2/6.3/1.9
Lamelo 15.9/5.9/6.2/1.6




Lamelo will be MCW in about 4-5 years.
Except the NBA is a joke now so he'll survive longer.

Can you just give us a list of players you actually like at this point?

Other than the Goat himself; Nassir Little, that is..

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Have you ever fought of breaking down what you rip and sell per release, putting it on a website and charge for it? I for one would gladly pay to see prices and ROI on release but I'm too damn lazy to spend hours gathering data and summarizing it.

I haven't. But it's something worth considering. I am doing well enough in cards right now that I could quit my day job, but I'm not quite ready to take the leap yet. I'm 36, so I was thinking if I worked until 40 and then retired, I could focus on cards at that point which would allow things like websites to become a possibility.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Mac302

Also anyone that thinks anyone not buying hobby boxes/retail secondary right now is "missing an opportunity" is bat s**t crazy

Well since I'm the only one who said it above, I guess you are talking about me. I'll own it though. Happy to stand by my comments. No shame here.

[Boomer105]

Is it me or are all the Anthony Edwards o/c side to side

[jcardstore]

Anyone who really thinks LaMelo will end up like MCW has never watched either of them play.

Just ignore 13 he’s the most miserable person ever

[k13]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

You do know MCW was 3 years older when he was a rookie, right? And that was the reason so many were down on him even as a rookie.

It still doesn't make sense how much he fell from grace but you get the point.

Obviously. That's why everyone is on his nuts.
So he'll peak in few years and start fading at some point

Not like he's going to turn into a superstar that takes Charlotte to an nba championship.

[k13]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Except LaMelo has way better shooting %s and will hopefully improve.

Lamelo can't shoot either but that doesn't matter just take more shots.

More minutes and more shots and he should be averaging a triple double soon.

The league has never been easier.

That's why you have any bum like Jordan Poole get minutes and put up points.

[k13]

MCW was garbage in college already if anyone watched him play. Terrible shooter. Turnover machine.

Lamelo and him do look alike.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Mac302

Also anyone that thinks anyone not buying hobby boxes/retail secondary right now is "missing an opportunity" is bat s**t crazy

Hobby boxes yes. If you look over the last 18 months if everything rises hobby rises the least percentage wise unless it's online exclusive. Retail is another story. New basketball retail at resale has been a terrible buy the last 8 months. Whereas look at football bought at secondary prices since the summer besides for items that just stopped stocking. Who would have thought months ago that Prestige, Elite, Donruss, Donruss sets, Absolute, Illusions, Playoff, etc would double from resale prices? But they have. Prizm football most skus went up around 75% 4 weeks after stocking stopped. So yeah you for sure missed an opportunity not buying football retail at resale prices.

[brock]

Originally Posted by joeed10

Found an empty box last night at my local Walmart

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Thanks for playing the game.

:Cry:


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[PostBaloney]

Lamelo + Eric Collins = most entertaining basketball games ever