First Buzz: 2020-21 Panini Prizm basketball cards

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by k13

MCW was garbage in college already if anyone watched him play. Terrible shooter. Turnover machine.

Lamelo and him do look alike.

I hope someday you find joy and happiness in your life.

[Mac302]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Well since I'm the only one who said it above, I guess you are talking about me. I'll own it though. Happy to stand by my comments. No shame here.

You shouldn't be ashamed.....you should be you.

No one is going to convince me that doing what you did (buying that much Prizm basketball) for this class is a good deal or good investment.....nothing at these prices is a good investment unless you get super lucky

[Mac302]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Hobby boxes yes. If you look over the last 18 months if everything rises hobby rises the least percentage wise unless it's online exclusive. Retail is another story. New basketball retail at resale has been a terrible buy the last 8 months. Whereas look at football bought at secondary prices since the summer besides for items that just stopped stocking. Who would have thought months ago that Prestige, Elite, Donruss, Donruss sets, Absolute, Illusions, Playoff, etc would double from resale prices? But they have. Prizm football most skus went up around 75% 4 weeks after stocking stopped. So yeah you for sure missed an opportunity not buying football retail at resale prices.

I don't hoard wax so that never would have happened. I like to rip and collect the actual cards ...not stare at the boxes on a shelf.

Again I do this as a hobby..... it's not a money maker for me. Almost everything I sell goes right back into my PC or hobby of ripping (which is almost non existent right now because of prices)

[thekiddfan]

Nope, NBA is not a joke

You are the joke

Originally Posted by k13

Rookie year and MCW had a way tougher NBA to deal with.

MCW 16.7/6.2/6.3/1.9
Lamelo 15.9/5.9/6.2/1.6




Lamelo will be MCW in about 4-5 years.
Except the NBA is a joke now so he'll survive longer.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by Mac302

That's not what everyone is saying....they are saying it won't last....just like it didn't last for players like Bol Bol like several others have already said.

So unless you are buying up 31k worth of product like you (which is mind boggling to me I'm hoping you do this for somewhat a living) and ripping and dumping fast you'll end up in debt.

jmm - reading your posts it makes sense now. You have $30k tied up in 2021 Prizm basketball, so rather than seeing it for what it is your vision is clouded by the fact it is in your best financial interest for the 21 Prizm basketball to do well. Hence the reason you are posting threads supporting the prices you want to see. Problem is this class is weak and is moving a little because people are bored and desperate and have stim $ and free time.

Last years Prizm was the perfect storm with Zion, available at first at retail for decent prices, and a strong supporting class with Ja, Coby, Rui, Clarke, Herro, Keldon, Paschal and a few others. Long term Zion and Ja have to carry the class. This class will be historically weak in the short and long term, and out the gate prices are such that money will not be made. Last year blasters were $45 in the aftermarket for blasters and $500-600 for hobby boxes. They held for a while until they shot up to $425-475 for blasters and $1200-1800 for hobby. 2021 going for $1800-2200 per hobby box out the gate is just asking to lose money. Too expensive no matter who is in the class, and add in the weak class and it will only go down in price. Just my opinion but I am putting my money where my mouth is and not buying this years Prizm. Seems like you have done the same.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by k13

Rookie year and MCW had a way tougher NBA to deal with.

MCW 16.7/6.2/6.3/1.9
Lamelo 15.9/5.9/6.2/1.6




Lamelo will be MCW in about 4-5 years.
Except the NBA is a joke now so he'll survive longer.

This is one of your worst posts on this board, and you’ve set a pretty high bar there.

MCW went 40%/26%/70% at 22 years old.
Lamelo went 45%/37%/79% at 19 years old.

At 20, MCW averaged 2.7 pts....in college.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

jmm - reading your posts it makes sense now. You have $30k tied up in 2021 Prizm basketball, so rather than seeing it for what it is your vision is clouded by the fact it is in your best financial interest for the 21 Prizm basketball to do well. Hence the reason you are posting threads supporting the prices you want to see. Problem is this class is weak and is moving a little because people are bored and desperate and have stim $ and free time.

Last years Prizm was the perfect storm with Zion, available at first at retail for decent prices, and a strong supporting class with Ja, Coby, Rui, Clarke, Herro, Keldon, Paschal and a few others. Long term Zion and Ja have to carry the class. This class will be historically weak in the short and long term, and out the gate prices are such that money will not be made. Last year blasters were $45 in the aftermarket for blasters and $500-600 for hobby boxes. They held for a while until they shot up to $425-475 for blasters and $1200-1800 for hobby. 2021 going for $1800-2200 per hobby box out the gate is just asking to lose money. Too expensive no matter who is in the class, and add in the weak class and it will only go down in price. Just my opinion but I am putting my money where my mouth is and not buying this years Prizm. Seems like you have done the same.

I'm not sure I would call it a "clouded" vision, as I've been buying and selling this class for awhile now with success. NT Collegiate, Immaculate Collegiate, Hoops, Certified, Donruss, Hoops Premium Box Set, and now Prizm. 6 for 6 in profitable products heading into this release, and this will be #7. I am actually pretty disciplined in my purchases and would not have made the decision to buy if I didn't see it as lucrative, nor would I need to talk it up on the forum since A.) Nobody on this forum is going to effect what I do/don't sell on eBay, and B.) Having done very well with other 20-21 products I don't see why Prizm would be any different. I have no motive other than to provide my own honest insight based on sales data and past experience.

[Mac302]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

jmm - reading your posts it makes sense now. You have $30k tied up in 2021 Prizm basketball, so rather than seeing it for what it is your vision is clouded by the fact it is in your best financial interest for the 21 Prizm basketball to do well. Hence the reason you are posting threads supporting the prices you want to see. Problem is this class is weak and is moving a little because people are bored and desperate and have stim $ and free time.

Last years Prizm was the perfect storm with Zion, available at first at retail for decent prices, and a strong supporting class with Ja, Coby, Rui, Clarke, Herro, Keldon, Paschal and a few others. Long term Zion and Ja have to carry the class. This class will be historically weak in the short and long term, and out the gate prices are such that money will not be made. Last year blasters were $45 in the aftermarket for blasters and $500-600 for hobby boxes. They held for a while until they shot up to $425-475 for blasters and $1200-1800 for hobby. 2021 going for $1800-2200 per hobby box out the gate is just asking to lose money. Too expensive no matter who is in the class, and add in the weak class and it will only go down in price. Just my opinion but I am putting my money where my mouth is and not buying this years Prizm. Seems like you have done the same.

Exactly....and for some reason I forgot to mention what you brought up ....the prices last year for Prizm out of the gate were much less than they are this year with a MUCH stronger draft class.

I don't see how anyone with any knowledge of this hobby can think buying hobby/retail secondary Prizm 20-21 is worth it....the gamble is probably worse than any casino game....which I believe is usually slots

[Mahomie]

Managed to snag a single Walmart hanger...results were abysmal

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Mac302

Exactly....and for some reason I forgot to mention what you brought up ....the prices last year for Prizm out of the gate were much less than they are this year with a MUCH stronger draft class.

I don't see how anyone with any knowledge of this hobby can think buying hobby/retail secondary Prizm 20-21 is worth it....the gamble is probably worse than any casino game....which I believe is usually slots

See my response above. I've opened 6 other products this year and profited on all 6. I paid retail pricing on each. Why would Prizm be the one to sting me when all others have panned out, even at inflated prices? It is "knowledge" as you reference above that would lead one to continue investing in something that has a track record of success, is it not? Would you not conclude that past success is a predictor of future success? The 2020-21 class has done very well for me. I won't stop until it proves to be a bad investment.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Mac302

Exactly....and for some reason I forgot to mention what you brought up ....the prices last year for Prizm out of the gate were much less than they are this year with a MUCH stronger draft class.

I don't see how anyone with any knowledge of this hobby can think buying hobby/retail secondary Prizm 20-21 is worth it....the gamble is probably worse than any casino game....which I believe is usually slots

It reminds me of billboards in Vegas with casinos that advertise -"our slots pay out 96%!". So if I give you $100, you give me back $96... Sounds amazing. Sign me up.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

See my response above. I've opened 6 other products this year and profited on all 6. I paid retail pricing on each. Why would Prizm be the one to sting me when all others have panned out, even at inflated prices? It is "knowledge" as you reference above that would lead one to continue investing in something that has a track record of success, is it not? Would you not conclude that past success is a predictor of future success? The 2020-21 class has done very well for me. I won't stop until it proves to be a bad investment.

If you are making money on it then more power to you and hopefully it keeps up for you. I got back into basketball last year and did well buying 2018-10 Prizm hobby boxes at $600-700, Luka silvers at $1300, and Prizm hobby and blasters at $500 and $45 a box respectively. Think I have a decent eye for cards, players, overall market, and I mainly do vintage stuff like Mantle’s, Aaron, Bench, Ryan... Modern is so I don’t get bored between vintage purchases. Won’t be able to duplicate that this year for several reasons nor will most people. One thing I will say is Prizm packages and cards look good - just not diving in with this player class.

[blackandgold]

When chronicles came out couldn’t find any retail anywhere So I decided to buy on the secondary market Bought 4 blasters from a random eBay seller In the package the dude left his cell phone number with a note if I needed anymore to text him Long story short when I think prices are at the floor I buy off this guy. We have had a good buyer/seller relationship Anyways he told me his story He lost his job when COVID hit and started flipping sportscards He has a clientele of about 25 guys he sells to off eBay although he also sometime sells on eBay He does have some kind of hookup at local Targets/Walmart’s where he lives He supports his family and his daughter just started college from flipping sportscards He’s often texted me and ask what products he should hold to maximize down the road He roughly sells 75% for the flip and holds 25% down the road So yes this is a way of life for people

[CoachMiller1981]

Originally Posted by brettmik59

Yeah it's a short-term focus right now in the hobby, and card prices are tied to wax prices. But you gotta ask yourself, in 5 years who is gonna be buying all these hacks? Unless you're a legit star, like perennial all-star, nobody cares long term. How many of those are in this class?

I don't know how good LaMelo will be long term, but I think Ant-Man and Pat Will have a chance to be really special. Ant-Man has such a likeable personality which will definitely help him if he continues to get better as he has throughout this season.

[Tallguy1991]

Originally Posted by CoachMiller1981

I don't know how good LaMelo will be long term, but I think Ant-Man and Pat Will have a chance to be really special. Ant-Man has such a likeable personality which will definitely help him if he continues to get better as he has throughout this season.

LaMelo is the one guy in this class that has the potential to wind up being a transcendent, top echelon player by the time he enters his peak. I have literally not a single lamelo card in my collection so I’m not shilling, and I hated the ball family so much that I was determined to hate on lamelo. Especially so after his whole draft night party where in the teeth of a pandemic where tens of millions were unemployed and hundreds of thousands were dying he got a rolls Royce cullinan gifted to him for the occasion and was so ambivalent about it that the guy that brought it literally offered to exchange it if lamelo didn’t like it (“it” being the $500,000+ gift he was getting.) I hated the whole Lithuania thing and how many shots he took and the way his whole high school team at chino hills basically was only on the floor to feed him the ball so he could jack it up as soon as he passed mid court.

Then he came into the league and just #@#@#@#@ing BALLED. There is a reason guys like John hollinger and Zach Lowe have gushed nonstop about him, and why he’ll win ROY after playing only 41 or so games. If lamelo had been an only child with any normal/not-lavar dad, and been evaluated solely based on his play instead of the way he entered the league (after 4 years in the spotlight with people developing preconceived notions) he probably would’ve gone first instead of dropping to 3, and the hype would be even more intense. He’s legit. Jury is out on edwards, and I like Halliburton. But lamelo is the only true guaranteed stud in the class


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[packerfan4200]

Originally Posted by CoachMiller1981

I don't know how good LaMelo will be long term, but I think Ant-Man and Pat Will have a chance to be really special. Ant-Man has such a likeable personality which will definitely help him if he continues to get better as he has throughout this season.

I think Edwards could be a 30 PPG guy in a few years. The guy can get hoops at all 3 levels and definitely isn’t afraid to let it fly.

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

See my response above. I've opened 6 other products this year and profited on all 6. I paid retail pricing on each. Why would Prizm be the one to sting me when all others have panned out, even at inflated prices? It is "knowledge" as you reference above that would lead one to continue investing in something that has a track record of success, is it not? Would you not conclude that past success is a predictor of future success? The 2020-21 class has done very well for me. I won't stop until it proves to be a bad investment.

Exactly....taking card advice on BO forums tends to be a bad investment 90% of the time, imo... Go with what got ya there and all works out, especially in the craziness we are in right now...

[Tallguy1991]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

Exactly....taking card advice on BO forums tends to be a bad investment 90% of the time, imo...

What, here in the eternal pessimists lounge?? No way


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[vthobby]

When dealers get these boxes for less than $300 from Panini (and they all do), there is only 1 person that is gonna make money on these.

Rare post that says "what a money making box I just opened"! lol

Fact.

Mike

[Eighty5Hundo]

Originally Posted by Tallguy1991

LaMelo is the one guy in this class that has the potential to wind up being a transcendent, top echelon player by the time he enters his peak. I have literally not a single lamelo card in my collection so I’m not shilling, and I hated the ball family so much that I was determined to hate on lamelo. Especially so after his whole draft night party where in the teeth of a pandemic where tens of millions were unemployed and hundreds of thousands were dying he got a rolls Royce cullinan gifted to him for the occasion and was so ambivalent about it that the guy that brought it literally offered to exchange it if lamelo didn’t like it (“it” being the $500,000+ gift he was getting.) I hated the whole Lithuania thing and how many shots he took and the way his whole high school team at chino hills basically was only on the floor to feed him the ball so he could jack it up as soon as he passed mid court.

Then he came into the league and just #@#@#@#@ing BALLED. There is a reason guys like John hollinger and Zach Lowe have gushed nonstop about him, and why he’ll win ROY after playing only 41 or so games. If lamelo had been an only child with any normal/not-lavar dad, and been evaluated solely based on his play instead of the way he entered the league (after 4 years in the spotlight with people developing preconceived notions) he probably would’ve gone first instead of dropping to 3, and the hype would be even more intense. He’s legit. Jury is out on edwards, and I like Halliburton. But lamelo is the only true guaranteed stud in the class


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LaMelo Ball is the truth. He will continue to rise, of course, barring career changing injury. I am not sure why all the hate. His Dad can seem like a jack azz I get it but what Father doesn't promote his children? Then there is Lonzo... he receives the same hate. He is playing better than ever, we still haven't seen his full potential. I guess it is easy to look at young men with great talent and throw shade as oppose to lift them up. Congratulate instead of Plater Hate.

[yanksfan1]

anyone got a guess for when the megas start hitting stores?

[CoachMiller1981]

Originally Posted by Tallguy1991

LaMelo is the one guy in this class that has the potential to wind up being a transcendent, top echelon player by the time he enters his peak. I have literally not a single lamelo card in my collection so I’m not shilling, and I hated the ball family so much that I was determined to hate on lamelo. Especially so after his whole draft night party where in the teeth of a pandemic where tens of millions were unemployed and hundreds of thousands were dying he got a rolls Royce cullinan gifted to him for the occasion and was so ambivalent about it that the guy that brought it literally offered to exchange it if lamelo didn’t like it (“it” being the $500,000+ gift he was getting.) I hated the whole Lithuania thing and how many shots he took and the way his whole high school team at chino hills basically was only on the floor to feed him the ball so he could jack it up as soon as he passed mid court.

Then he came into the league and just #@#@#@#@ing BALLED. There is a reason guys like John hollinger and Zach Lowe have gushed nonstop about him, and why he’ll win ROY after playing only 41 or so games. If lamelo had been an only child with any normal/not-lavar dad, and been evaluated solely based on his play instead of the way he entered the league (after 4 years in the spotlight with people developing preconceived notions) he probably would’ve gone first instead of dropping to 3, and the hype would be even more intense. He’s legit. Jury is out on edwards, and I like Halliburton. But lamelo is the only true guaranteed stud in the class


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That's very fair. I actually really like LaMelo, I just don't know if he will be better then Pat Will or Ant-Man. He very well could end up the better player of the 3. Pat Will just has so much Kawhi in his game. He's only 19 and he's an extremely hard worker. He really wants it. Being 39, I really love the old school game that Pat Will has. I could be totally wrong though. Hell, I was way off on Adam Morrison back in the day. I did get Steph Curry correct and that's the one I will toot my own horn to lol. Overall, I think there are probably 4-5 potential perennial All Stars in this class. Wiseman and Halliburton being the other 2 that I didn't mention. I only own 1 LaMelo card and it's the hoops. My pops was able to find a few packs weeks ago and I got lucky on the Ball.

[Thankful1]

1st and only hanger so far... Wiseman variation, Edwards base emergent, Okoro base instant impact, and a sweet looking Devin Booker orange (the orange cards are absolutely beautiful IMO)... very pleased as I was on the fence about keeping in the box

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by CoachMiller1981

That's very fair. I actually really like LaMelo, I just don't know if he will be better then Pat Will or Ant-Man. He very well could end up the better player of the 3. Pat Will just has so much Kawhi in his game. He's only 19 and he's an extremely hard worker. He really wants it. Being 39, I really love the old school game that Pat Will has. I could be totally wrong though. Hell, I was way off on Adam Morrison back in the day. I did get Steph Curry correct and that's the one I will toot my own horn to lol. Overall, I think there are probably 4-5 potential perennial All Stars in this class. Wiseman and Halliburton being the other 2 that I didn't mention. I only own 1 LaMelo card and it's the hoops. My pops was able to find a few packs weeks ago and I got lucky on the Ball.

I’m just gonna point out this is one of the worst takes ever. You don’t know if Lamelo is going to be better than Patrick Williams?

There is not a single universe where Williams is better than Lamelo.

[jcardstore]

If you want to invest in any player from this class it’s Lamelo. He’s so far ahead of every other young player in the league not named Luka.

Everybody (including me) said he was inefficient and that was a big issue and he proved that wasn’t the case. He’s borderline elite / projects to be elite in basically every skill there is. Already a plus defender, good shooter, elite facilitator with incredible touch and vision. Scores well at all 3 levels. Great rebounder...

I’m putting my money where my mouth is and I’m investing in Lamelo. I’ll wait until the off-season when prices come down but I’ll be buying.