HOF players if they stayed healthy - Page 4

noaskiecards · 04-05-2021, 02:48 PM

Lol I knew Eloy would be in here

A legend lost too soon

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Lonewolf · 04-05-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

Carlos Delgado

I would argue that he should be in the Hall, regardless. But had injuries not cut his career short by 2-3 years, I have to imagine he’d be a no-doubter.

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Forgot about him...500 homer club and Hall for sure with just another two years

Browns1981 · 04-05-2021, 03:10 PM

How about Chuck Knoblauch? Not exactly sure what messed up his throwing but I'll call it an injury.

Boo · 04-05-2021, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rcgdodge

Ryan Howard

Achilles and the shift ended him.

And like you, the 40 extra pounds

Brady7799 · 04-05-2021, 03:38 PM

Mark Fidrych

rman112 · 04-05-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by noaskiecards

Lol I knew Eloy would be in here

A legend lost too soon

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Players dying isn't funny, man.

#RIPEloy

BestRCs · 04-05-2021, 04:19 PM

I love me some Bo Jackson, he was a charming generational specimen who wore Nikes and sold them like crazy while staring in cartoons and was a cheat code level player in video games but his baseball performance at the plate was just a sexy version of Adam Dunn, Greg Vaughn or Rob Deer to me.

Half the charm was the sexy way he struck out. And he did that a lot.

He had like a .300 OBP.....and I think in a good year hit like .250.

I can't imagine him making the HOF even if he was healthy with his trajectory.

Stifle · 04-05-2021, 07:08 PM

[QUOTE=rms13;17189096]I respect the legacy of Munson but if he was a HOF based on performance than he’d probably be in. He had 10 full seasons which is what Ralph Kiner had who is in the HOF.

Munson was a leader and heart and soul of those Yankees, ROY, one MVP and 2 WS but he averaged 13 HR and 80 RBI and I don’t know that a 17-18 year long career would have made him a HOF. Tony C had about 50 more career HR and he played 4 full seasons and parts of 2 others.

As a Sox fan I’d say the interesting comp is Munson vs Pedroia. Their per season averages are almost identical for avg, hr and rbi. Both won ROY, one MVP and 2 WS and they both essentially had 10 prime healthy seasons. I don’t think either gets into HOF but they both would have shots if they had longer careers.

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If we attempt to utilize HR’s & RBI to current standards it’s obvious his numbers are not like some of today’s players. Bench didn’t have a .292 BA, and how many catchers hit .357 in the Post Season while having many clutch hits. His WPA in the playoffs was better than many who are on this list.

jhssketchcards · 04-05-2021, 07:13 PM

Had Jeff Bagwell no developed shoulder issues his career numbers would have been even better, even though he is a HOF. That being said, I think Lance Berkman has his career shortened by some injuries as well. IMO he should be in the HOF. As a switch hitter he was an absolute stud for Houston and did really well in St Louis.

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texmcpherson · 04-05-2021, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Noles939913

Mattingly a 20x All-Star??? So 14 more than he actually made. How many players actually made 20 All-Star teams?

Stan Musial?

HBMC · 04-05-2021, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by texmcpherson

Stan Musial?

....and Hank Aaron (25 times)

...and Willie Mays (24 times)

...and Mickey Mantle (20 times)

duwal · 04-06-2021, 12:02 AM

Moonlight Graham

PejaD · 04-06-2021, 01:06 AM

Fernando Tatis Jr...

Retired hobbist · 04-06-2021, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ngs428

Harold Baines... wait he is in... what...

I don't recall Baines missing many games due to injuries. He was just a poor man's Eddie Murray with the bat.

Retired hobbist · 04-06-2021, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BestRCs

I love me some Bo Jackson, he was a charming generational specimen who wore Nikes and sold them like crazy while staring in cartoons and was a cheat code level player in video games but his baseball performance at the plate was just a sexy version of Adam Dunn, Greg Vaughn or Rob Deer to me.

Half the charm was the sexy way he struck out. And he did that a lot.

He had like a .300 OBP.....and I think in a good year hit like .250.

I can't imagine him making the HOF even if he was healthy with his trajectory.

No he was that he would have needed to put up possibly Kingman plus totals have any shot at the hall of fame.

Noles939913 · 04-06-2021, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HBMC

....and Hank Aaron (25 times)

...and Willie Mays (24 times)

...and Mickey Mantle (20 times)

I know several people did it although they should come with an asterisk as several of those years they held two All-Star games per season. I just never held Mattingly in the same regard as the aforementioned players.

LesExpos · 04-06-2021, 08:32 AM

How about 'the Cobra' Dave Parker. Although I was too young and I'm not sure if those were games missed because of injuries or drug use?

Mattingly is probably the #1 guy all-time where his bad back completely derailed him. It took away all of his power. I read somewhere long ago that he had to basically swing at 70% of his normal swing because of the pain. He was maybe 2 seasons away (good seasons), from being a no-doubter.

Eric Davis was my favorite player in 87 to 89, I used to have arguements with my uncle who would tell me Dawson was better, but Davis to me was the guy for me. Again, not sure if it was injuries or something else but ya, he could have been the best ever for power and speed.

Nomar was just sooo good, but man, he had Griffey disease in the 90's. He'd pick up the bat and go on the DL.

Will Clark could not stay healthy in the 2nd half of his career and I'm convinced he would be definitely been Hall worthy. Sadly he just couldn't play even 150 games. Best swing in baseball history!

Retired hobbist · 04-06-2021, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LesExpos

How about 'the Cobra' Dave Parker. Although I was too young and I'm not sure if those were games missed because of injuries or drug use?

Mattingly is probably the #1 guy all-time where his bad back completely derailed him. It took away all of his power. I read somewhere long ago that he had to basically swing at 70% of his normal swing because of the pain. He was maybe 2 seasons away (good seasons), from being a no-doubter.

Eric Davis was my favorite player in 87 to 89, I used to have arguements with my uncle who would tell me Dawson was better, but Davis to me was the guy for me. Again, not sure if it was injuries or something else but ya, he could have been the best ever for power and speed.

Nomar was just sooo good, but man, he had Griffey disease in the 90's. He'd pick up the bat and go on the DL.

Will Clark could not stay healthy in the 2nd half of his career and I'm convinced he would be definitely been Hall worthy. Sadly he just couldn't play even 150 games. Best swing in baseball history!

Davis was made of glass or chewing gum at least, he was perpetually injured. Even some of his outstanding 30/30 years he would have been 40/40 if he didn't miss 20 games or so during the season.

NatsSBR · 04-06-2021, 08:00 PM

Look at Ryan Zimmerman's baseball reference page and you can see exactly when his shoulder issues struck. He was on a great trajectory before then.

andrew121 · 04-06-2021, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

Mattingly.

This, and the only reason Puckett is in and he isn’t is 2 rings.

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base set · 04-06-2021, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rms13

Most baseball fans have no idea who Tony C is. You have to be a Red Sox fan and/or over a certain age. Still youngest AL hitter to 100 he, second all time fastest to 100 and record for most HR in a season by a teenager with 24 in 111 games. And he was a local kid from Boston playing for the Red Sox so he was an instant legend in Boston

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Does his family refuse any image deal? He would be a perfect choice for Archives or Stadium Club.

gmoney328 · 04-06-2021, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LesExpos

How about 'the Cobra' Dave Parker. Although I was too young and I'm not sure if those were games missed because of injuries or drug use?

Mattingly is probably the #1 guy all-time where his bad back completely derailed him. It took away all of his power. I read somewhere long ago that he had to basically swing at 70% of his normal swing because of the pain. He was maybe 2 seasons away (good seasons), from being a no-doubter.

Eric Davis was my favorite player in 87 to 89, I used to have arguements with my uncle who would tell me Dawson was better, but Davis to me was the guy for me. Again, not sure if it was injuries or something else but ya, he could have been the best ever for power and speed.

Nomar was just sooo good, but man, he had Griffey disease in the 90's. He'd pick up the bat and go on the DL.

Will Clark could not stay healthy in the 2nd half of his career and I'm convinced he would be definitely been Hall worthy. Sadly he just couldn't play even 150 games. Best swing in baseball history!

Armando Reyes killed Nomar's career. Machado with Pedroia. What's up with the Orioles ruining Boston's best guys?

base set · 04-06-2021, 08:21 PM

Kirk Gibson only reached 150 games twice.

sdsportscards · 04-06-2021, 10:32 PM

Jose Fernandez

Tallguy1991 · 04-06-2021, 10:40 PM

One of the highlights of my youth was going to the nomar garciaparra baseball camp, I wound up playing pickup basketball with nomar and Lou merloni the last day of the camp because my ride was late. Super nice guys, especially nomar. People forget how much he absolutely raked for a few seasons. There was a time where out of the big 3 shortstops you could make an argument that nomar was either 1 or 1a tied with arod, talent-wise and in terms of counting stats. Dude was the last one to really flirt with a .400 season realistically

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noaskiecards Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1,145	Lol I knew Eloy would be in here A legend lost too soon Sent from my SM-G970U1 using Tapatalk

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Browns1981 Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 394 rmoorehead72	How about Chuck Knoblauch? Not exactly sure what messed up his throwing but I'll call it an injury.

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Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,367 Stifle	[QUOTE=rms13;17189096]I respect the legacy of Munson but if he was a HOF based on performance than he’d probably be in. He had 10 full seasons which is what Ralph Kiner had who is in the HOF. Munson was a leader and heart and soul of those Yankees, ROY, one MVP and 2 WS but he averaged 13 HR and 80 RBI and I don’t know that a 17-18 year long career would have made him a HOF. Tony C had about 50 more career HR and he played 4 full seasons and parts of 2 others. As a Sox fan I’d say the interesting comp is Munson vs Pedroia. Their per season averages are almost identical for avg, hr and rbi. Both won ROY, one MVP and 2 WS and they both essentially had 10 prime healthy seasons. I don’t think either gets into HOF but they both would have shots if they had longer careers. ————————————————- If we attempt to utilize HR’s & RBI to current standards it’s obvious his numbers are not like some of today’s players. Bench didn’t have a .292 BA, and how many catchers hit .357 in the Post Season while having many clutch hits. His WPA in the playoffs was better than many who are on this list.

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jhssketchcards Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 11,390 jhssketchcards2012	Had Jeff Bagwell no developed shoulder issues his career numbers would have been even better, even though he is a HOF. That being said, I think Lance Berkman has his career shortened by some injuries as well. IMO he should be in the HOF. As a switch hitter he was an absolute stud for Houston and did really well in St Louis. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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duwal Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,163 duwal duwal	Moonlight Graham

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PejaD Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 4,071	Fernando Tatis Jr...

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LesExpos Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 147	How about 'the Cobra' Dave Parker. Although I was too young and I'm not sure if those were games missed because of injuries or drug use? Mattingly is probably the #1 guy all-time where his bad back completely derailed him. It took away all of his power. I read somewhere long ago that he had to basically swing at 70% of his normal swing because of the pain. He was maybe 2 seasons away (good seasons), from being a no-doubter. Eric Davis was my favorite player in 87 to 89, I used to have arguements with my uncle who would tell me Dawson was better, but Davis to me was the guy for me. Again, not sure if it was injuries or something else but ya, he could have been the best ever for power and speed. Nomar was just sooo good, but man, he had Griffey disease in the 90's. He'd pick up the bat and go on the DL. Will Clark could not stay healthy in the 2nd half of his career and I'm convinced he would be definitely been Hall worthy. Sadly he just couldn't play even 150 games. Best swing in baseball history!

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NatsSBR Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 294	Look at Ryan Zimmerman's baseball reference page and you can see exactly when his shoulder issues struck. He was on a great trajectory before then.

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base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,457	Kirk Gibson only reached 150 games twice.

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sdsportscards Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 119 sandiego_sportscards	Jose Fernandez

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Tallguy1991 Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Boston Posts: 633	One of the highlights of my youth was going to the nomar garciaparra baseball camp, I wound up playing pickup basketball with nomar and Lou merloni the last day of the camp because my ride was late. Super nice guys, especially nomar. People forget how much he absolutely raked for a few seasons. There was a time where out of the big 3 shortstops you could make an argument that nomar was either 1 or 1a tied with arod, talent-wise and in terms of counting stats. Dude was the last one to really flirt with a .400 season realistically Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk