Chronology Set

[yaoming]

I have to disagree with many here...
Chronology are nice, but is hard to beat the legacy of Exquisites, SP authentic and Ultimate collection as they have more years of production.
Like most said the 06/07 chronology are average.

UD black also have only 3 years of running, I would argue they re better looking. Gold and silver ink, Multi player autos, including MJ/Lebron, triple MJ Lebron Kobe and others. Dual patch autos etc.

UD premier also only had 2 years of running, some gorgeous multi player autograph. Nice patches, etc.

The Timeless memories are nice but so many streaky and faded autos on canvas surface.
I have seen some MJ and Lebron autos are faded

[frisbeesteve]

Originally Posted by Duncancollector

All cards (as far as I know) are on card auto.

The Seriatim dual autos from 2007-08 are sticker autos, as are the Era Associates quads from the same year. Everything else that I'm aware of, is on card though.

[Duncancollector]

Originally Posted by frisbeesteve

The Seriatim dual autos from 2007-08 are sticker autos, as are the Era Associates quads from the same year. Everything else that I'm aware of, is on card though.

Thanks, you are right. I forgot about these.

[Tarheelsfan2012]

Originally Posted by alljayeveryjay

IMO Timeless Memories /99 set is the best auto set of all time! Significant moments captured on each of the cards with each player’s “highlights” depicted in perfect form...the Magic/Bird might be the best dual auto ever created and was flawlessly executed. The Kobe, LeBron and MJ are all legendary too! Wish I could go back in time and pick up some of these.

MJ Slam Dunk Contest
MJ 63 Point Playoff Game
Kobe Slam Dunk Contest
Kobe 81 Points
Magic/Bird Championship Dual
LeBron Playoffs
Dr J Dunk
Vince Carter Slam Dunk Contest
Baron Davis Playoff Dunk
KD Rookie
KD Draft Night

[tYEwREEEk13]

Definitely an Iconic set... and it's quite evident how popular and well liked it was by seeing how well the prices of Panini's versions took off recently...

[WillC]

Originally Posted by yaoming

Like most said the 06/07 chronology are average.

I disagree with that comment.

The 2006-07 Chronoloy base autograph set is not only one of the most beautifully designed (in my opinion) but also features autographs of some players who only signed for Chronology (Johnny Kerr, Norm Van Lier, Jim Loscutoff, Zelmo Beaty) and other rare signers who signed for just one or two other products (Chuck Share, Terry Dischinger, Don Ohl, Richie Guerin, Don Buse, John Johnson, etc).

It's definitely one of the most appealing checklists I've seen.

It's probably not everyone's cup of tea because some of the players aren't household names, but that's why I like it so much. Most other products (whether they're Upper Deck or Panini) just feature the same signers over and over again, which gets boring.

[Shaz]

Originally Posted by yaoming

I have to disagree with many here...
Chronology are nice, but is hard to beat the legacy of Exquisites, SP authentic and Ultimate collection as they have more years of production.
Like most said the 06/07 chronology are average.

UD black also have only 3 years of running, I would argue they re better looking. Gold and silver ink, Multi player autos, including MJ/Lebron, triple MJ Lebron Kobe and others. Dual patch autos etc.

UD premier also only had 2 years of running, some gorgeous multi player autograph. Nice patches, etc.

The Timeless memories are nice but so many streaky and faded autos on canvas surface.
I have seen some MJ and Lebron autos are faded

Everyone is going to have likes and dislikes so its good to hear all sides.

I completely agree re Exquisite and that's my favourite set. I would put Chronology 2 and Ultimate 3 and SP 4. Notice how they are all UD

I actually dislike UD black - I think it was a super cheesy set and they were trying too hard to create something different.

[Shaz]

Originally Posted by WillC

I disagree with that comment.

The 2006-07 Chronoloy base autograph set is not only one of the most beautifully designed (in my opinion) but also features autographs of some players who only signed for Chronology (Johnny Kerr, Norm Van Lier, Jim Loscutoff, Zelmo Beaty) and other rare signers who signed for just one or two other products (Chuck Share, Terry Dischinger, Don Ohl, Richie Guerin, Don Buse, John Johnson, etc).

It's definitely one of the most appealing checklists I've seen.

It's probably not everyone's cup of tea because some of the players aren't household names, but that's why I like it so much. Most other products (whether they're Upper Deck or Panini) just feature the same signers over and over again, which gets boring.

I like this - it gets too boring looking at the same thing over and over again and I actually love seeing things you haven't seen before (which is why your IG page is so awesome).

[Tarheelsfan2012]

Originally Posted by tYEwREEEk13

Definitely an Iconic set... and it's quite evident how popular and well liked it was by seeing how well the prices of Panini's versions took off recently...

UD Photo > Panini Photo

[Reignmanprice]

There are 3 main reasons why there is not much Chronlogy Supply on the secondary.

first: Chronology was very limited. i believe less than 5000 Boxes were produced.

second: because of the strong checklist, the amount of on card autographs and the be loved designs it was collected from many collectors from many eras and ages and they hold!

third: especially 07-08 Chronology was huuge in Europe and oversea. in Germany it was busted A LOT from the scene back in the day. maybe some remember the collector FM Schweiz or FM Swiss. He alone stated that he maybe broke 10% of whole production. I really can´t rememeber how many Jordan Autos he pulled. i think 25-40 is really near the thruth. He quit the Hobby 2011 or 2012 or so and nearly all of his cards stayed in Europe mainly Germany, Austria and Swiss.
one collector from Swiss have the Timeless Memories Gold /10 Gold Master Set and i know many guys who have still cards from the /99 and /10 Set.

So i feel these are the reasons you cant find it on the secondary.

[Shaz]

Originally Posted by Reignmanprice

There are 3 main reasons why there is not much Chronlogy Supply on the secondary.

first: Chronology was very limited. i believe less than 5000 Boxes were produced.

second: because of the strong checklist, the amount of on card autographs and the be loved designs it was collected from many collectors from many eras and ages and they hold!

third: especially 07-08 Chronology was huuge in Europe and oversea. in Germany it was busted A LOT from the scene back in the day. maybe some remember the collector FM Schweiz or FM Swiss. He alone stated that he maybe broke 10% of whole production. I really can´t rememeber how many Jordan Autos he pulled. i think 25-40 is really near the thruth. He quit the Hobby 2011 or 2012 or so and nearly all of his cards stayed in Europe mainly Germany, Austria and Swiss.
one collector from Swiss have the Timeless Memories Gold /10 Gold Master Set and i know many guys who have still cards from the /99 and /10 Set.

So i feel these are the reasons you cant find it on the secondary.

OMG thank you!

This is amazing info - I love the background stories almost as much as the card itself. The /99 Jordan set is a tightly held set - I can't imagine anyone holding the gold subset. Does anyone own any of these?

[boosta]

mj23collectorPH on insta might have some gold /10 autos.

I look at chronologycollector's collection and weeps of the ones I sold.

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[Reignmanprice]

i had bunch of Chrono back in the day but today i only have Canvas Legends Gold /10 Darryl Dawkins and Through the Years AU Dominique Wilkins /50

i used to had and nearly all pulled them by myself
Stitched in Time Jersey Lebron /15
Stitched in Time Jersey Lebron /5
Stitched in Time Patch Auto Larry Bird /15
Stitched in Time Patch Auto Kevin Garnett /25
Stitched in Time Patch Auto Maurice Cheeks /35
Mastery Auto Gold Kevin Durant /10
Timeless Memories AU 81 Point Game Kobe /99
Timeless Memories AU Gold Dr. J /10
Historically Accurate Gold Mark Price /10
My Generation AU Moses malone /70
Seriatim Dual Auto Hakeem/Drexler

[WillC]

Originally Posted by Reignmanprice

There are 3 main reasons why there is not much Chronlogy Supply on the secondary.

first: Chronology was very limited. i believe less than 5000 Boxes were produced.

second: because of the strong checklist, the amount of on card autographs and the be loved designs it was collected from many collectors from many eras and ages and they hold!

third: especially 07-08 Chronology was huuge in Europe and oversea. in Germany it was busted A LOT from the scene back in the day. maybe some remember the collector FM Schweiz or FM Swiss. He alone stated that he maybe broke 10% of whole production. I really can´t rememeber how many Jordan Autos he pulled. i think 25-40 is really near the thruth. He quit the Hobby 2011 or 2012 or so and nearly all of his cards stayed in Europe mainly Germany, Austria and Swiss.
one collector from Swiss have the Timeless Memories Gold /10 Gold Master Set and i know many guys who have still cards from the /99 and /10 Set.

So i feel these are the reasons you cant find it on the secondary.

Excellent post.

Hall of Fame auto collectors (who naturally gravitate towards Chronology) are the types of collectors who won't let go of their cards because they love the history behind the autographs. Whereas Exquisite often attracts the 'investor' sorts who buy-and-sell more regularly in the hope of making a quick buck. For that reason, you see rare Exquisite cards more often than you'll see rare Chronology cards.

Also, Chronology had hard-to-find inscription variations which added to the mystique and collectability of the product. And of course Chronology are some of the most beautifully designed cards of all-time with a 'timeless' look to them, whereas some other high-end card designs age badly.

You're absolutely right about Europe being a hot spot for Chronology cards.

Here's a quick story...

I completed my Chronology Legends set (i.e. black border cards) back in about 2016. I was then lucky enough to buy another complete set from a collector in Germany. So, at one point in time, I actually had two complete sets. I decided to keep the cleanest/sharpest cards and sell (most of) the duplicates. I sold a few of them on here but many of them remained within Europe.

[WillC]

Meanwhile, here's a fun video of one of the best box breaks in Europe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5EF...JKoaA&index=57

I could watch his Chronology box breaks all day long.

[Duncancollector]

Originally Posted by Reignmanprice

There are 3 main reasons why there is not much Chronlogy Supply on the secondary.

first: Chronology was very limited. i believe less than 5000 Boxes were produced.

second: because of the strong checklist, the amount of on card autographs and the be loved designs it was collected from many collectors from many eras and ages and they hold!

third: especially 07-08 Chronology was huuge in Europe and oversea. in Germany it was busted A LOT from the scene back in the day. maybe some remember the collector FM Schweiz or FM Swiss. He alone stated that he maybe broke 10% of whole production. I really can´t rememeber how many Jordan Autos he pulled. i think 25-40 is really near the thruth. He quit the Hobby 2011 or 2012 or so and nearly all of his cards stayed in Europe mainly Germany, Austria and Swiss.
one collector from Swiss have the Timeless Memories Gold /10 Gold Master Set and i know many guys who have still cards from the /99 and /10 Set.

So i feel these are the reasons you cant find it on the secondary.

Do you remember the show @ Langenfeld, when the other friendly guy called D.... from Switzerland sold that SMP with many Timeless Memories cards in it? I pulled the Chris Paul auto, and got on the same day the David Robinson Timeless card. Good old days.

And I agree with all of your words. Chrono was the most popular set during that time in Germany.

Danke für deine Geschichte B.

[mageq1]

Also, what most people don't know is there are also different color ink variations autograph to certain players in the 07-08 canvas set which adds to the chase element.

[Shaz]

Originally Posted by mageq1

Also, what most people don't know is there are also different color ink variations autograph to certain players in the 07-08 canvas set which adds to the chase element.

I was about to ask this - in MJcollector's post he says something about silver ink versus blue ink. I assume he is implying that the silver ink autos are rarer than the blue ink? Is that correct? In this example I'm talking about MJ's timeless cards.

Also why is this set to big in Germany specifically? Seems very odd and random no?

[mageq1]

Others may correct me but for the mj dunk, the last 10 cards were apparently silver ink and the others are the blue ink. His 63pt was signed with a thick silver pen and a thin silver pen. Durant has a blue ink variations on one if his card and Horace grant has a blue ink and hagen has a gold ink version. These are the ones that come to my head without looking at my spreadsheet

[mageq1]

[Shaz]

Re the 63 point game card - is one ink (blue versus silver) rarer or more valuable than the other?

[Duncancollector]

Originally Posted by Shaz

Also why is this set to big in Germany specifically? Seems very odd and random no?

Like Reignmanprice said. FM-Schweiz opened a lot of cases, sooooooo many cases and the cards he didn't want to hold, were packed into his self-make-packs. These were sold via dascardboard.eu or on facebook (I think) and on shows. People liked these SMPs because the cards were great (on card and the prices were really good and fair). So many people bought them and so Germany became "Chronology - Land".

Let us try to be fair and just to talk about facts:

Chronology:

- didn't have too many cases at all

- not too many parallels. People were able to collect

- loaded with a regular set and subsets and "inserts" - all on card autos, some with patches

- many superstars were in chronology like Jordan, James, Garnett, Durant (RC), Kobe Bryant and older superstars like Moses Malone or Julius Erving.


and then you talk about taste and so on. Design is something you can like or dislike. So you can discuss about designs to say this or that product is more valuable. But I think the hard facts say, that Chronology is a high end product. Beside the RPA (which were a central aspect in Exquisite), I don't see any quality aspect to say that Chronology is less worth than Exquisite.

If I remember right these boxes were sold for about 120 to 130 Dollar each.

[Shaz]

Originally Posted by Duncancollector

Like Reignmanprice said. FM-Schweiz opened a lot of cases, sooooooo many cases and the cards he didn't want to hold, were packed into his self-make-packs. These were sold via dascardboard.eu or on facebook (I think) and on shows. People liked these SMPs because the cards were great (on card and the prices were really good and fair). So many people bought them and so Germany became "Chronology - Land".

Let us try to be fair and just to talk about facts:

Chronology:

- didn't have too many cases at all

- not too many parallels. People were able to collect

- loaded with a regular set and subsets and "inserts" - all on card autos, some with patches

- many superstars were in chronology like Jordan, James, Garnett, Durant (RC), Kobe Bryant and older superstars like Moses Malone or Julius Erving.


and then you talk about taste and so on. Design is something you can like or dislike. So you can discuss about designs to say this or that product is more valuable. But I think the hard facts say, that Chronology is a high end product. Beside the RPA (which were a central aspect in Exquisite), I don't see any quality aspect to say that Chronology is less worth than Exquisite.

If I remember right these boxes were sold for about 120 to 130 Dollar each.

Great post!

They did a great job with the set in that all the pictures of the players' cards are excellent.

What is the difference between the blue and silver inks autos on the 2 Jordan cards? Is one rarer than the other?

[Duncancollector]

Originally Posted by Shaz

Great post!

They did a great job with the set in that all the pictures of the players' cards are excellent.

What is the difference between the blue and silver inks autos on the 2 Jordan cards? Is one rarer than the other?

I am sorry, one set was full of sticker...but hey...who cares if the most important and most cards are on card...I always forget these dual autos.


I guess the first 10 autos of the /99 Michael Jordan cards could have been with blue ink. I have no knowledge about it but I think that is what I heard about it back in the days.

[Duncancollector]

I remember, that nobody wanted to have the Chronology Rc base cards or parallels of Rose, Beasly or Horford and so on. These were treated like a step-child...