pcsportscards group submission thread(Results/General info)

[Dr kicker]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Highly doubt that.

The gem rate on that Burrow isn't even 20%. That suggests to me that the card likely has a common printing flaw. Since the same person isn't grading every single Burrow Mosaic base that comes into PSA, you get inconsistency in how it's handled. Think of the rear centering for the Ben Simmons Optic RC, or the front print line on the Tatis Heritage RC. For this sub, the grader caught whatever it is.

Conspiracy theory terminated !

We ready for the email upcharge Standard 82 music.

[LTLurker]

Nvmd.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Highly doubt that.

The gem rate on that Burrow isn't even 20%. That suggests to me that the card likely has a common printing flaw. Since the same person isn't grading every single Burrow Mosaic base that comes into PSA, you get inconsistency in how it's handled. Think of the rear centering for the Ben Simmons Optic RC, or the front print line on the Tatis Heritage RC. For this sub, the grader caught whatever it is.

The rear centering of the Simmons is why I have 8 ungraded in my possession. I a true gem BGS 9.5 and one 9. The back door teeing on 2016 optic is horrendous and gem mint copies should have even more value.

[go_steelers07]

I didn't notice if Grading to consignment is back open.

The update on the website from 3/4/2021 says "We are excited to announce that we will be re-opening our grading to consignment services in the next few weeks"

Thanks!

Bulk 201 popped !!!

49/60 Gem mint 10... this was my first sub submitted. There's definitely many base cards that shouldn't have been sent in...lol

I'm more than happy with 81.6% Gem rate. hopefully this means that my other subs will do just as good.


Thanks again, Josh!!!

EDIT: Found the email stating no grading to consignment yet. Payment sent. Thanks!

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Highly doubt that.

The gem rate on that Burrow isn't even 20%. That suggests to me that the card likely has a common printing flaw. Since the same person isn't grading every single Burrow Mosaic base that comes into PSA, you get inconsistency in how it's handled. Think of the rear centering for the Ben Simmons Optic RC, or the front print line on the Tatis Heritage RC. For this sub, the grader caught whatever it is.

Regardless, it's still a horrible percentage.
Burrows still grades at 79% in a 9 or better.
This guy got 35% nines with zero 10's.
Maybe he sent in someone's rejects. Who knows. Still sucks though.

[Woodsy074]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

Even though I do understand the why they would want to do this, if PSA really is intentionally downgrading cards that they don’t think are worth grading, I’ve gotta say that is an extremely unethical business practice. If submitters had been sending in that same card in the same condition and it had a 60% gem rate, then someone sends in the same card and goes 0/31 because PSA decides it isn’t worthy, then that is just flat out wrong and I can’t get behind that.

I’m really hoping it was just an inexperienced submitter that didn’t know what to look for and just sent a bunch of flawed cards. Or maybe they didn’t know how to properly store the cards and they damaged them during sleeving or something like that. Either way, that was just a brutal sub and I hope it’s not indicative of what’s to come.

By sending a message, I mean they seem to be tightening grading standards across the board while still keeping within their published standards. There are plenty of experienced submitters out there scratching their heads on reveal videos because grades are coming in one full grade below what they think they should be. I've finally gotten back 3 personal subs from last summer in the last month and it appears when a card is on that borderline between two grades, they seem to be leaning on giving the lower of the two. Culprit is usually centering which they were definitely a little lax on in the past. I sub mostly 80s / 90s cards so not super familiar with Ultra Modern but from what I have seen on some football cards, Panini QC isn't the greatest. Maybe they are focusing on surface issues now. Fact is, a 10 seems harder to get across the board and by doing this they really want people to inspect cards before sending them in the future.

[The Losing Edge]

Standard 165 popped as well. Had ten NFL Mosaic in here and was terrified after seeing 164! Went 5/10 with the rest 9s. Pink Camo Herbert & Tua, Ceedee Lamb Silver were best to Gem. Missed on a gold reactive Burrow and GR Debut Herbert.
I opened lots of this and will say. Base seemed in much much worse shape than the parallels. A super high percentage of base had either/or/both off centered logo/RC stamps and surface dents. Which i didn't find nearly as much on the parallels.

Quick math I did on google sheets for 165.

2020 NFL Mosaic:
80 Total
10 - 26 = 0.325
9 - 50 = 0.625

Overall:
314 Total
10 - 78 = 24.84%
9 - 165 = 52.55%

Seemed like a decent amount of 1999/2000 Pokemon, which you wouldn't expect to Gem in overall numbers.

[LTLurker]

Originally Posted by The Losing Edge

Standard 165 popped as well. Had ten NFL Mosaic in here and was terrified after seeing 164! Went 5/10 with the rest 9s. Pink Camo Herbert & Tua, Ceedee Lamb Silver were best to Gem. Missed on a gold reactive Burrow and GR Debut Herbert.
I opened lots of this and will say. Base seemed in much much worse shape than the parallels. A super high percentage of base had either/or/both off centered logo/RC stamps and surface dents. Which i didn't find nearly as much on the parallels.

Quick math I did on google sheets for 165.

2020 NFL Mosaic:
80 Total
10 - 26= 0.325
9 - 50= 0.625

Overall:
314 Total
10 - 78 = 24.84%
9 - 165 = 52.55%

Seemed like a decent amount of 1999/2000 Pokemon, which you wouldn't expect to Gem in overall numbers.

That tells me that 164 just had a bunch of inexperienced graders.


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[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

0/31 is terrible. I am going to side with inexperienced grader having a bad day. How cool would it be to have graders numbered “inspected by #....” regardless that submission was brutal and the first one I did not go through to see what was sent after seeing the numbers. I am noticing lower gem percentages, but I also think this will increase because once people got wind of the price increase I would guess they sent in everything, even questionable cards.

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Highly doubt that.

The gem rate on that Burrow isn't even 20%. That suggests to me that the card likely has a common printing flaw. Since the same person isn't grading every single Burrow Mosaic base that comes into PSA, you get inconsistency in how it's handled. Think of the rear centering for the Ben Simmons Optic RC, or the front print line on the Tatis Heritage RC. For this sub, the grader caught whatever it is.

This makes more sense, thanks for the responses. I’m admittedly not a football guy so I had no clue the gem rate for that Burrow was so low. I saw someone else post a 60% gem rate for Mosaic, but that may have been for the whole set that I mistakenly applied to just this one card.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

This makes more sense, thanks for the responses. I’m admittedly not a football guy so I had no clue the gem rate for that Burrow was so low. I saw someone else post a 60% gem rate for Mosaic, but that may have been for the whole set that I mistakenly applied to just this one card.

Yes, the set is 60%. But even the Burrow is 79% for a 9 or 10. So going 35% 9's with zero 10's is terrible no matter how you look at it.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Yes, the set is 60%. But even the Burrow is 79% for a 9 or 10. So going 35% 9's with zero 10's is terrible no matter how you look at it.

That is true. You think you’d get at least one gem out of 31 just by accident. That must have been either a super harsh grader having a bad day or a very inexperienced submitter who bought a bunch of crap that nobody else thought was worth subbing. Or maybe a combination of both of those things.

[MrSethAllen]

I checked them all before submitting or I wouldn't have sent them in even as MIN GRADE 9.

My other submission in the past was 16 out of 19 gem's that were mostly Topps Chrome Sapphire baseball, Prism basketball/football.

I was shocked by not a single ten and by how many non 9's I'll have coming back. At this point I can't do much. It is what it is.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by MrSethAllen

I checked them all before submitting or I wouldn't have sent them in even as MIN GRADE 9.

My other submission in the past was 16 out of 19 gem's that were mostly Topps Chrome Sapphire baseball, Prism basketball/football.

I was shocked by not a single ten and by how many non 9's I'll have coming back. At this point I can't do much. It is what it is.

Trust me - it was a harsh grader. People are focusing on your cards just because they were all the same so it's easy to judge. But the whole sub was brutal.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Trust me - it was a harsh grader. People are focusing on your cards just because they were all the same so it's easy to judge. But the whole sub was brutal.

This is really the key, IMO. If you have one person within a sub that gets crushed it's an inexperienced submitter. If the whole sub gets crushed the grader just found out they are getting a divorce.

[PoPCulture]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

This is really the key, IMO. If you have one person within a sub that gets crushed it's an inexperienced submitter. If the whole sub gets crushed the grader just found out they are getting a divorce.

Can’t stop thinking about the lucky lady out there somewhere that’s about to get half of a card graders fortune.

[MyckKabongo]

Simplest explanation, IMHO, is they've hired a ton of new graders and a) it's difficult to enforce a consistent standard across everyone for what is inherently a subjective process and b) newer folks are likely to perceive it as less risky to err on the stingy side.

I am still somewhat inexperienced on the whole grading game, but I've learned that I'm pretty good at finding the flaw in a card and that I tend to overrate the significance of that flaw. Sure, I've had some 9s that should have been 10s. I've also had 10s I thought might 9 and 9s I thought would 8. I've probably been just a bit too conservative in what I send it, TBH. All this is to say I could see myself being that tight grader because I'm pretty dang hard on my own cards so its easy to see others being the same way.

[Tails01]

If we all sent in hundreds of commons to bulk graders and then never paid to get them back, would this financially ruin them?

[PoPCulture]

Originally Posted by Tails01

If we all sent in hundreds of commons to bulk graders and then never paid to get them back, would this financially ruin them?

I’m really not sure why this question is being asked here in this particular thread (or at all). What did group submitters do to hurt you? I’m interested in the backstory here.

[Tails01]

Originally Posted by PoPCulture

I’m really not sure why this question is being asked here in this particular thread (or at all). What did group submitters do to hurt you? I’m interested in the backstory here.

Not at all. I have cards in with Josh right now. Just a thought experiment!

[Onepocketj]

Standard 82 jumped to QA2

[dengbang]

Seems like more Standards are going into Assembly.

[90skid]

Express 2021.16 finally in QA. Felt like a looooong time in Assembly . I hope it pops this week.

[ksemmel]

Josh, any way to ask about standard .95? It’s been in grading for several months and I believe it’s the oldest sub in grading status

[Dr kicker]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Standard 82 jumped to QA2

It got there last week , a 6th and 7th Lu Dort cracked Ice gem appeared on the pop report since then ( Got 1 in there )

[PoPCulture]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

Josh, any way to ask about standard .95? It’s been in grading for several months and I believe it’s the oldest sub in grading status

It’s been in grading since before Thanksgiving right? I’m in it but gave up on it long ago so I may be misremembering.