Yordan Alvarez

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

What rock have you been hiding under?

I don't grade... Never have. Only ones I've really heard of are PSA and BGS. I've seen some other ones but none with a label like that

[jduds]

Originally Posted by Yaga

Interesting! I hope they change the label... It's very big and bold

It looks better in hand. The holders are the exact same size as PSA and when you put them next to each other the labels look fine IMO. They do look a bit strange in larger pictures by themselves though. It matches their comic labels so is kind of on brand for them as well. They are also sparkly (anti-counterfeit?) and that doesn't show up in scans. I actually like the big grade number as it shows up well in online auction thumbnails or smaller pictures.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

How was your overall grading experience with them?

Great, best experience I've had with any grading company and I've used BGS and PSA the past few years, mostly PSA.

CSG is little slow to log standard, economy, or bulk orders right now due to demand, but once they do get logged they grade fast. For express, they log and grade very quickly. Those two Yordans were shipped to them on 4/23 they received 4/29, graded by 5/5 and shipped 5/6 so they are en route. That's my 2nd sub with them, I have 5 others queued up.

I love the fact that they include high res scans when you lookup the cert # in their db. I also love their customer service, by far the best compared to PSA or BGS.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

Great, best experience I've had with any grading company and I've used BGS and PSA the past few years, mostly PSA.

CSG is little slow to log standard, economy, or bulk orders right now due to demand, but once they do get logged they grade fast. For express, they log and grade very quickly. Those two Yordans were shipped to them on 4/23 they received 4/29, graded by 5/5 and shipped 5/6 so they are en route. That's my 2nd sub with them, I have 5 others queued up.

I love the fact that they include high res scans when you lookup the cert # in their db. I also love their customer service, by far the best compared to PSA or BGS.

Yea im starting to build a trust now that I have heard so many good experiences...thats great! I know the flip value isn’t there because people still believe PSA is king...but I can see these for my PC no problem.

Good job on your return glad to see them having modern card success.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by Yaga

I don't grade... Never have. Only ones I've really heard of are PSA and BGS. I've seen some other ones but none with a label like that

I'm just giving you crap. They're pretty much the only low-ish cost option out there now with PSA's suspension.

[Archangel1775]

Great, just when I'm bidding on a few Yordan's on eBay. I just need him to hit a few singles the next 3 days and I might be good

If anyone is bidding on any PSA Yordan's that end in 3 days, PM me so that we might not bid each other up.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Yea im starting to build a trust now that I have heard so many good experiences...thats great! I know the flip value isn’t there because people still believe PSA is king...but I can see these for my PC no problem.

Good job on your return glad to see them having modern card success.

I think once people realize that NGC, CGC, etc. are tops in their realms of collectibles they'll start to understand CSG is not in the HGA, GMA, etc. grouping of TPG companies. They are a very big conglomerate like Collector's Universe and PSA. I think PSA knows this very well and since PCGS and NGC are the top two coin graders and CGC competes with CBCS (Beckett) in the comic book arena, those companies are aware that CSG is a legit competitor.

It will just take some time for the market to adjust, but I don't see any reason why it won't.

[kabrune2]

Like everyone else I wish CSG would make the labels a little more attractive, I don’t care if it’s fancy, just something simple and streamlined.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

I think once people realize that NGC, CGC, etc. are tops in their realms of collectibles they'll start to understand CSG is not in the HGA, GMA, etc. grouping of TPG companies. They are a very big conglomerate like Collector's Universe and PSA. I think PSA knows this very well and since PCGS and NGC are the top two coin graders and CGC competes with CBCS (Beckett) in the comic book arena, those companies are aware that CSG is a legit competitor.

It will just take some time for the market to adjust, but I don't see any reason why it won't.

CGC competes with CBCS like the Globetrotters compete with the Generals. CGC has more of a stranglehold on that market than PSA has on the sports card world. Definitely a legit company that should be in it for the long haul and one that I'm sure PSA and BGS are concerned about. The big question though is always how the market treats them. Right now, their Ebay results range from great to poor with no consistency. They sell fairly close to PSA with BINs, but they have had some low auction results. I think they will end up with decent prices that compare to PSA eventually, but it might take a year or two to get there. I'm also curious to see how their 10s will stack up with BGS 10s.

[noaskiecards]

I have a ton of psa stuff but honestly to me I just want a reputable company telling me the card is mint or better and not damaged and the card is protected. Hope they are competitive, slabs are nice (csg)

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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by jduds

CGC competes with CBCS like the Globetrotters compete with the Generals. CGC has more of a stranglehold on that market than PSA has on the sports card world. Definitely a legit company that should be in it for the long haul and one that I'm sure PSA and BGS are concerned about. The big question though is always how the market treats them. Right now, their Ebay results range from great to poor with no consistency. They sell fairly close to PSA with BINs, but they have had some low auction results. I think they will end up with decent prices that compare to PSA eventually, but it might take a year or two to get there. I'm also curious to see how their 10s will stack up with BGS 10s.

I'll take your word for it, I don't know much about comics. I knew CGC was big there, but didn't realize the gap was that large. My larger point remains though, the CCG group as a whole knows what they are doing in each area so CSG will naturally follow suit. I've been impressed so far and I think their grades are fair and legit.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

I'll take your word for it, I don't know much about comics. I knew CGC was big there, but didn't realize the gap was that large. My larger point remains though, the CCG group as a whole knows what they are doing in each area so CSG will naturally follow suit. I've been impressed so far and I think their grades are fair and legit.

To be fair, the gap has gotten a bit smaller since Beckett bought CBCS and got through some of their growing pains, but the pricing gap is still significant for most books. I kind of expect CSG to have a similar trajectory in the card space. The nice thing about competition, is as long as you trust the quality, you can find some great bargains in the non-dominant brands as they gain acceptance.

[rwperu34]

Yordan hits 2 HR off of Cole, Altuve gets the headline. Two of my three auction wins today were Yordan, but I think they both ended before or during the game. I've got a few snipes set for tomorrow. We'll see what happens.

[magmaster21]

Yordan prices are still down (TCAs) compared to only a month ago - pretty unreal. Crazy how little attention he gets.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by magmaster21

Yordan prices are still down (TCAs) compared to only a month ago - pretty unreal. Crazy how little attention he gets.

Good, I hope he keeps getting overlooked. It won't last forever, so take advantage while it's happening now.

[magmaster21]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

Good, I hope he keeps getting overlooked. It won't last forever, so take advantage while it's happening now.

I can only buy so much before I go broke

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by jduds

CGC competes with CBCS like the Globetrotters compete with the Generals. CGC has more of a stranglehold on that market than PSA has on the sports card world. Definitely a legit company that should be in it for the long haul and one that I'm sure PSA and BGS are concerned about. The big question though is always how the market treats them. Right now, their Ebay results range from great to poor with no consistency. They sell fairly close to PSA with BINs, but they have had some low auction results. I think they will end up with decent prices that compare to PSA eventually, but it might take a year or two to get there. I'm also curious to see how their 10s will stack up with BGS 10s.

CGS labels are not at all aesthetically appealing and the bright green coloring looks like something intended for kids. I personally wouldn't ever buy a card in a CGS case

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by magmaster21

Yordan prices are still down (TCAs) compared to only a month ago - pretty unreal. Crazy how little attention he gets.

You've got quite the broad definition of "little attention". He's an injury prone DH who is forced to sit in a minimum 20 games a year(interleague play). His TC auto is $90, that's not cheap. He's probably one of the 5 best hitters in the league but those are a whole lot of strings attached. I hope he can stay healthy

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by magmaster21

Yordan prices are still down (TCAs) compared to only a month ago - pretty unreal. Crazy how little attention he gets.

Ya I'm pretty surprised at how he's doing really really well, but his prices haven't budged. I figured after he cracked 2 HR off Cole yesterday that his prices would take off. But I don't even see a change.

Maybe we need another 2 HR today lol

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by BBases31

You've got quite the broad definition of "little attention". He's an injury prone DH who is forced to sit in a minimum 20 games a year(interleague play). His TC auto is $90, that's not cheap. He's probably one of the 5 best hitters in the league but those are a whole lot of strings attached. I hope he can stay healthy

I was just thinking about the DH thing. This will be the last year where he loses at-bats with interleague play. I am also curious if "he's only a DH" becomes less of a negative (I don't understand why it is to anyone now) when it becomes part of the NL. DH has always been perceived as a bit of a novelty as it is the defining difference between leagues and their style of play, but I could see that perception wearing off as NL teams fully incorporate top hitters as DH's.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I was just thinking about the DH thing. This will be the last year where he loses at-bats with interleague play. I am also curious if "he's only a DH" becomes less of a negative (I don't understand why it is to anyone now) when it becomes part of the NL. DH has always been perceived as a bit of a novelty as it is the defining difference between leagues and their style of play, but I could see that perception wearing off as NL teams fully incorporate top hitters as DH's.

Interesting as I never thought of that angle. I think the biggest issue with buying into a DH at these prices is there's basically no room for error. The difference between a consistent 170 wRC+ over the next couple years and a consistent 145 wRC+ is probably a 400% price difference even though the 145 would put him around the 10th best hitter in the league. He HAS to be a top 5 hitter in baseball and stay healthy or you'll lose money from here. The only upside is top 3, which he can definitely do. And being on the Astros is going to cap his value anyway since plenty of people will never buy an Astros card even if he wasn't part of the cheating

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by BBases31

CGS labels are not at all aesthetically appealing and the bright green coloring looks like something intended for kids. I personally wouldn't ever buy a card in a CGS case

PSA's bright red is far more obtrusive than CSG's green when you have both in hand.

Originally Posted by BBases31

You've got quite the broad definition of "little attention". He's an injury prone DH who is forced to sit in a minimum 20 games a year(interleague play). His TC auto is $90, that's not cheap. He's probably one of the 5 best hitters in the league but those are a whole lot of strings attached. I hope he can stay healthy

He's had one surgery to correct one issue that he played with for years, that's hardly injury prone. The times he's landed on the IL this year were due to covid precautions, not actual injuries. Unless he reinjures his knee or he has other issues that take him out, he hasn't really earned that label at this point.

The point about being a DH is fair, although since he's 23 there's still potential to develop and play the field. I could see him becoming a 1B at some point in the next few years.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

PSA's bright red is far more obtrusive than CSG's green when you have both in hand.



He's had one surgery to correct one issue that he played with for years, that's hardly injury prone. The times he's landed on the IL this year were due to covid precautions, not actual injuries. Unless he reinjures his knee or he has other issues that take him out, he hasn't really earned that label at this point.

The point about being a DH is fair, although since he's 23 there's still potential to develop and play the field. I could see him becoming a 1B at some point in the next few years.

Was going to say the same thing. He's hardly "injury prone"...

[noaskiecards]

To me DH makes him less injury prone

I'm sure Eloy collectors would have been okay with him playing DH than leaping over the wall that day

Any guy in the outfield is one diving play away from impacting their entire career

Unless you win gold gloves, nobody remembers your routine catches in left field

I'd like to see him at first base a little tho

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[freddyb]

Well said

Originally Posted by BGeezy

PSA's bright red is far more obtrusive than CSG's green when you have both in hand.



He's had one surgery to correct one issue that he played with for years, that's hardly injury prone. The times he's landed on the IL this year were due to covid precautions, not actual injuries. Unless he reinjures his knee or he has other issues that take him out, he hasn't really earned that label at this point.

The point about being a DH is fair, although since he's 23 there's still potential to develop and play the field. I could see him becoming a 1B at some point in the next few years.