Saka rookie

[Jaja]

What do you all consider Saka’s true rookie? I see his 2019 Panini sticker. There’s also a 2020/21 prizm that was released this year with no “RC” designation on the card. Thank you

[Gin&Juice]

2019 Chronicles Pitch Kings Tier IV

[fadster]

Basically anything from the 2019/20 season, whether it's the Panini Tabloid sticker, the Chronicles Pitch Kings IV, Impeccable Metal etc.

[Mitch]

I think we have a US use vs elsewhere use with the term 'true'.

In US it tends to mean most popular, or the defacto best. Elsewhere it just tends to mean the first.

So for me, it's Tabloid that is 'true'. But anything from 19/20 is a rookie to me.

[Jaja]

Thanks for the information y’all!!

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by Mitch

I think we have a US use vs elsewhere use with the term 'true'.

In US it tends to mean most popular, or the defacto best. Elsewhere it just tends to mean the first.

So for me, it's Tabloid that is 'true'. But anything from 19/20 is a rookie to me.

There is no "true" rookie in US sports card collecting but his RC from a US sports card collecting view would be any card for the 19/20 season.

[Jaja]

Do you all think his Panini 2019 sticker will increase? Pop crazy low but I figure the backlog of PSA is contributing.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by Jaja

What do you all consider Saka’s true rookie? I see his 2019 Panini sticker. There’s also a 2020/21 prizm that was released this year with no “RC” designation on the card. Thank you

this years Prizm is categorically *not* a rookie.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by Jaja

Do you all think his Panini 2019 sticker will increase? Pop crazy low but I figure the backlog of PSA is contributing.

If he stays popular as a player it will remain a popular choice. Bear in mind pops are low partly due to condition sensitivity, also it's not a regular Panini "flagship" league issue. It's from the one-off "Tabloid" release that was Panini's first release to celebrate (re)gaining the PL license. The album is like a newspaper in style and recaps the 18/19 season and previews 19/20 (pic added). That's why it has a photojournal style, and no name or any details on. I don't know if that will count against it in the eyes of the purists but it's not from a regular Panini issue. I don't love it, but it is what it is.

[coltsfan23]

Immaculate is probably his 'best' rookie card

[Mattman1234]

Originally Posted by fadster

If he stays popular as a player it will remain a popular choice. Bear in mind pops are low partly due to condition sensitivity, also it's not a regular Panini "flagship" league issue. It's from the one-off "Tabloid" release that was Panini's first release to celebrate (re)gaining the PL license. The album is like a newspaper in style and recaps the 18/19 season and previews 19/20 (pic added). That's why it has a photojournal style, and no name or any details on. I don't know if that will count against it in the eyes of the purists but it's not from a regular Panini issue. I don't love it, but it is what it is.

great information was always wondering why that was the style , as an arsenal fan i love saka offcourse, do i see the price rising much ? not really. i think he makes the england squad now that its 26 but dont see him getting games and arsenal have just been so bad this year that alot of what he does just goes unseen. ill be looking to buy the tabloid version just after the euros / a month or so before the new season

[k13]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

There is no "true" rookie in US sports card collecting but his RC from a US sports card collecting view would be any card for the 19/20 season.

Yeah there is and it is really simple especially in NBA/NFL/NHL.

Soccer just has stupid stickers involved that are not cards that people want to be rookie "cards".

The definition has always been the same and easy in other sports.

[Jaja]

Originally Posted by fadster

If he stays popular as a player it will remain a popular choice. Bear in mind pops are low partly due to condition sensitivity, also it's not a regular Panini "flagship" league issue. It's from the one-off "Tabloid" release that was Panini's first release to celebrate (re)gaining the PL license. The album is like a newspaper in style and recaps the 18/19 season and previews 19/20 (pic added). That's why it has a photojournal style, and no name or any details on. I don't know if that will count against it in the eyes of the purists but it's not from a regular Panini issue. I don't love it, but it is what it is.

Thanks! Now I know the story behind why it's called a Panini Tabloid

[k13]

A "rookie card" must come from a fully-licensed, nationally-distributed set.

It must be a base card and cannot be an insert, parallel, or redemption card. A player may only have one RC per set.

The card market was always just North America but now nationally would have to involve internationally and many of those stickers were distributed locally not internationally therefore they would not be even rookie stickers if you want to get technical.

There's only been debates/confusion in baseball/soccer all other sports everything is 99% simple.

The Jordan Rookie is were the national vs local distribution plays a part in the STAR card not being "the" rookie.

[YayNJ]

what about Topps NOW?

*runs to the hills*

[fadster]

Originally Posted by k13

A "rookie card" must come from a fully-licensed, nationally-distributed set.

It must be a base card and cannot be an insert, parallel, or redemption card. A player may only have one RC per set.

The card market was always just North America but now nationally would have to involve internationally and many of those stickers were distributed locally not internationally therefore they would not be even rookie stickers if you want to get technical.

There's only been debates/confusion in baseball/soccer all other sports everything is 99% simple.

The Jordan Rookie is were the national vs local distribution plays a part in the STAR card not being "the" rookie.

tying yourself in knots there lol

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by k13

Yeah there is and it is really simple especially in NBA/NFL/NHL.

Soccer just has stupid stickers involved that are not cards that people want to be rookie "cards".

The definition has always been the same and easy in other sports.

I would agree that rookie stickers are not rookie cards but my point was regarding the term True Rookie. Not many people that I am aware of outside of soccer use the term True Rookie in the US to describe Rookie Cards. They just say Rookie Cards.

[DiamondDevil]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

what about Topps NOW?

*runs to the hills*

Curiously no Topps Now nor Living Set (yet?) for Saka.

The only other 2019-20 card not mentioned yet is the Panini Impeccable Metal.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

There is no "true" rookie in US sports card collecting but his RC from a US sports card collecting view would be any card for the 19/20 season.

I often see US guys refer to NT RPA's /99 as the 'True' Rookie? Even on this board.

I don't get that myself, as what's to say it has to be NT for example.

I do subscribe to the US any from the first season though, as that just makes things easier, for me anyway.

But as before, the term 'true' to me, just seems to have been a way to say 'first'. The real question then is when we as collectors are hypocritical and say 'well, first, but not thaaaaat' for example when referencing MA or other items. Even more confusing when we go back and have 'trade cards' which we don't really get now. Whatever happened to getting a card with our cereal and tea bags anyway?

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by DiamondDevil

Curiously no Topps Now

I know... it's a joke.

I guess you had to be there

[k13]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

I would agree that rookie stickers are not rookie cards but my point was regarding the term True Rookie. Not many people that I am aware of outside of soccer use the term True Rookie in the US to describe Rookie Cards. They just say Rookie Cards.

Yes they do. Especially in hockey where there are a lot of purists.
Everything is about true rookie cards.

In Basketball/Football they did not want to abide by the true rookie thing as much because they were so much into parallels.

They could never comprehend how a /99 RPA could sell higher than a /20 RPA of the same player.

Everyone accepts what a true rookie card is but it does not mean it has to be worth the most.

[k13]

Originally Posted by Mitch

I often see US guys refer to NT RPA's /99 as the 'True' Rookie? Even on this board.

I don't get that myself, as what's to say it has to be NT for example.

I do subscribe to the US any from the first season though, as that just makes things easier, for me anyway.

But as before, the term 'true' to me, just seems to have been a way to say 'first'. The real question then is when we as collectors are hypocritical and say 'well, first, but not thaaaaat' for example when referencing MA or other items. Even more confusing when we go back and have 'trade cards' which we don't really get now. Whatever happened to getting a card with our cereal and tea bags anyway?

Because the /99 NT RPA is the "base" card, everything else is a parallel.
Really simple.

The base in any set is the true rookie.

So in 19-20 Soccer Obsidian Fati /165 is the True Rookie Card.
Everything else is a parallel or insert.

[Mitch]

Thanks for that. But I more meant why have I read some call National Treasures the true rookie, over say maybe Impeccable or hell, even Rookies and Stars as an example. That was more the part I didn't ever quite follow, as in what made it that set, rather than why was a specific card within the set the go to.

And I appreciate I may be asking a question that only those within those threads have said, so I should probably ask them!

Re 'true' though, if you search the term on this board, it does pop up across all the sports, so it's definitely in use in the US.

[yankeesfan24]

Originally Posted by coltsfan23

Immaculate is probably his 'best' rookie card

Panini really messed that set up. It shouldn’t have the RC logo on it as it was a set designed for this season as opposed to last season (the newly promoted teams are in it). Just my two cents but I wouldn’t put a RC valuation on it even though it has the logo.

[k13]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Thanks for that. But I more meant why have I read some call National Treasures the true rookie, over say maybe Impeccable or hell, even Rookies and Stars as an example. That was more the part I didn't ever quite follow, as in what made it that set, rather than why was a specific card within the set the go to.

And I appreciate I may be asking a question that only those within those threads have said, so I should probably ask them!

Re 'true' though, if you search the term on this board, it does pop up across all the sports, so it's definitely in use in the US.

That part is just bogus.
30 different sets can have true rookie cards.

Maybe they want to say NT /99 is the most desirable one but it does not make it the truest.