The Bo Bichette Thread

[BSG]

Bo with another solid game. 0-5. Ugh.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

You can Bichette on it


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The Harper hair experiment has ran its course.


Or maybe switch up to the Vlad dreads?

I'm running out of ideas...

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

The Harper hair experiment has ran its course.


Or maybe switch up to the Vlad dreads?

I'm running out of ideas...

Something we dont really admit is that when guys like Bichette were 12-18, they dominated their respective ages at various levels of baseball, and yet when they get to the majors, and everyone is now a pro, it’s hard to come out of slumps facing the pitching they face night in and night out. They are so far ahead of the age groups when they are young stud prospects, they can’t recover as fast like they could when they were facing weak pitching in the early years. It’s why it’s hard to accurately predict who will be a long term star among these young hitters. Good pitchers make adjustments. Success a hitter has been I’ll be analyzed and broken down so that the next time that pitcher faces him, he will try and not make those mistakes again. Hitters are habitual and have more tendencies that when they are repetitive in their launch angle, swing planes and such, it’s hard to adjust to a pitcher who has made adjustments. It makes us appreciate hitters that are successful for a long period of time. Time will tell if Bo will truly reach the lofty levels people (including me) have assigned him, but unfortunately baseball tends to move on pretty fast when a player doesn’t perform. He’s so young though, I think he has plenty of time to work things out.


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[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Something we dont really admit is that when guys like Bichette were 12-18, they dominated their respective ages at various levels of baseball, and yet when they get to the majors, and everyone is now a pro, it’s hard to come out of slumps facing the pitching they face night in and night out. They are so far ahead of the age groups when they are young stud prospects, they can’t recover as fast like they could when they were facing weak pitching in the early years. It’s why it’s hard to accurately predict who will be a long term star among these young hitters. Good pitchers make adjustments. Success a hitter has been I’ll be analyzed and broken down so that the next time that pitcher faces him, he will try and not make those mistakes again. Hitters are habitual and have more tendencies that when they are repetitive in their launch angle, swing planes and such, it’s hard to adjust to a pitcher who has made adjustments. It makes us appreciate hitters that are successful for a long period of time. Time will tell if Bo will truly reach the lofty levels people (including me) have assigned him, but unfortunately baseball tends to move on pretty fast when a player doesn’t perform. He’s so young though, I think he has plenty of time to work things out.


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He's raked at every level. And his current .26x average amidst a slump is still better than most of his peers' good stretches.

He'll be fine. And I still think he's got next. We're barely even a quarter of the way through the season. Dude's a stud.

For me the biggest questionmark is his health. I think him getting in at least 130 games this year will be a win in itself.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

He's raked at every level. And his current .26x average amidst a slump is still better than most of his peers' good stretches.

He'll be fine. And I still think he's got next. We're barely even a quarter of the way through the season. Dude's a stud.

For me the biggest questionmark is his health. I think him getting in at least 130 games this year will be a win in itself.

I agree. Going back to what I was eluding to about young players... we see it in pitchers at 19-22 having TJ once they hit the bigs. These guys are playing travel ball at 8, 9, 10 all the way through high school. They play spring ball and fall baseball, and have accumulated massive amounts of innings in their young years that eventually catches up. We see a rash of young players hurt like we really haven’t before. Tatis, Soto, Acuna, Eloy, Robert, etc. Some injuries are freak accidents, but some are nagging since 17 or 18 years old. Wrist problems seem to be more prevalent. Hips, quads and backs, shoulders and elbows on very young guys who go have taken tens of thousands of swings and thrown the same amount of pitches from ages 12-18. It does have an affect on their physiology.


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[vegetable]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I agree. Going back to what I was eluding to about young players... we see it in pitchers at 19-22 having TJ once they hit the bigs. These guys are playing travel ball at 8, 9, 10 all the way through high school. They play spring ball and fall baseball, and have accumulated massive amounts of innings in their young years that eventually catches up. We see a rash of young players hurt like we really haven’t before. Tatis, Soto, Acuna, Eloy, Robert, etc. Some injuries are freak accidents, but some are nagging since 17 or 18 years old. Wrist problems seem to be more prevalent. Hips, quads and backs, shoulders and elbows on very young guys who go have taken tens of thousands of swings and thrown the same amount of pitches from ages 12-18. It does have an affect on their physiology.


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this is a really good point. the overexertion of developing joints, muscles, and other tissues is a underappreciated problem.

kids dont get as much of an opportunity to even rest. seriously, is there a reason a 15 year old kid needs to have thousands and thousands of reps?


RIP to these poor bodies

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by vegetable

this is a really good point. the overexertion of developing joints, muscles, and other tissues is a underappreciated problem.

kids dont get as much of an opportunity to even rest. seriously, is there a reason a 15 year old kid needs to have thousands and thousands of reps?


RIP to these poor bodies

Let’s keep in mind the dads and moms that want there kid to go #1 overall out of 8th grade or sign a full ride in 10th grade. That’s what it’s all about if we are honest. There’s no rational explanation for having a 12 year old pitch 20-30 games a year except they are banking on him becoming a star and future pro. I see it a lot down here, dads push their kids to play year round, almost every weekend they travel and when they don’t, they are at a cage or mound taking reps. By the time the kid is 16-17 they are burned out and want to quit because they haven’t been allowed to be a kid. They love the time with their friends, and the attention they get from their parent(s). But when they by chance make it to higher levels they feel alone when they struggle and don’t know how to cope. They have been told since age 5 they are a star, and when they aren’t successful psychological issues creep in. “I’m a star, I shouldn’t struggle”. Bichette has a pedigree that I’m sure he has been told since birth that he would be a baseball player. With today’s media, it’s impossible to avoid the stories and cameras. He’s been expected to be a superstar that surpasses his dads legacy the way Griffey Jr passed Griffey Sr.
I’m sure Biggio senses it too in ways. Guys that have dominated from an early age don’t know how to cope with struggles especially in a pressure cooker like MLB. It’s unforgiving, but I believe Bo is talented enough to find his way.


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[Geoff G]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Let’s keep in mind the dads and moms that want there kid to go #1 overall out of 8th grade or sign a full ride in 10th grade. That’s what it’s all about if we are honest. There’s no rational explanation for having a 12 year old pitch 20-30 games a year except they are banking on him becoming a star and future pro. I see it a lot down here, dads push their kids to play year round, almost every weekend they travel and when they don’t, they are at a cage or mound taking reps. By the time the kid is 16-17 they are burned out and want to quit because they haven’t been allowed to be a kid. They love the time with their friends, and the attention they get from their parent(s). But when they by chance make it to higher levels they feel alone when they struggle and don’t know how to cope. They have been told since age 5 they are a star, and when they aren’t successful psychological issues creep in. “I’m a star, I shouldn’t struggle”. Bichette has a pedigree that I’m sure he has been told since birth that he would be a baseball player. With today’s media, it’s impossible to avoid the stories and cameras. He’s been expected to be a superstar that surpasses his dads legacy the way Griffey Jr passed Griffey Sr.
I’m sure Biggio senses it too in ways. Guys that have dominated from an early age don’t know how to cope with struggles especially in a pressure cooker like MLB. It’s unforgiving, but I believe Bo is talented enough to find his way.


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We are currently dealing with this with my 8yr old. Except he’s the one who wants to keep playing so much.. we just want to spend our weekends at the beach lol. All this traveling and craziness is nuts for anyone under 12. These parents and coaches are positive that half of their teams are going pro lolololol. Also watching some of these 8-9 yr olds throw 100 pitches in a game to win a tournament in Chino hills that means absolutely nothing but bragging rights for the coaches is beyond me, it’s almost borderline abuse.. it’s great we are on a good 8U team and we were lucky to have been able to play through the pandemic but this is getting old quick. Travel baseball is a nasty little world lol


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[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I agree. Going back to what I was eluding to about young players... we see it in pitchers at 19-22 having TJ once they hit the bigs. These guys are playing travel ball at 8, 9, 10 all the way through high school. They play spring ball and fall baseball, and have accumulated massive amounts of innings in their young years that eventually catches up. We see a rash of young players hurt like we really haven’t before. Tatis, Soto, Acuna, Eloy, Robert, etc. Some injuries are freak accidents, but some are nagging since 17 or 18 years old. Wrist problems seem to be more prevalent. Hips, quads and backs, shoulders and elbows on very young guys who go have taken tens of thousands of swings and thrown the same amount of pitches from ages 12-18. It does have an affect on their physiology.


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I have a FB friend who is very proud of her 14 or 15 year old son's baseball exploits, as she rightfully should be. It's obvious that he takes the game very seriously. However I was alarmed when I looked at her status updates and saw that her son pitched 4 innings on a Monday and then 3 innings on Wednesday. I thought to myself that really can't be good. Granted it's only 7 innings total but that amount of exertion on a 15 year old arm without a proper amount of rest doesn't seem right. Am i overreacting?

[NYBBFAN]

I think these red parallels will end up harder to find than most.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I have a FB friend who is very proud of her 14 or 15 year old son's baseball exploits, as she rightfully should be. It's obvious that he takes the game very seriously. However I was alarmed when I looked at her status updates and saw that her son pitched 4 innings on a Monday and then 3 innings on Wednesday. I thought to myself that really can't be good. Granted it's only 7 innings total but that amount of exertion on a 15 year old arm without a proper amount of rest doesn't seem right. Am i overreacting?

You’re not overreacting. Any parent that lets their son pitch that much needs a wake up call. I’ve actually heard parents say they HOPE their 15-16 ye old has TJ so he can gain velocity bu his senior year.
Kids need to rest especially pitchers because their elbows and shoulders can not take the strain they are under year round. Heck, MLB pitchers have pitch count limits. But it won’t phase parents like that. They will push and push until disaster happens.

Circling back, I don’t think Dante was negligent with Bo, just that all the innings and swings could have a factor in his and many other young players having nagging injuries so young.


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[Trueblue]

Man, this thread has really gone off the tracks in the past day or so. There is zero proof or sign that Bo is hurt and he is actually doing great for a ~150 AB sample. His body is also not about to fall apart from an abusive (?) travel ball schedule. You think that's bad? Go look up the Koshien tournament in Japan. Calm down.

The only thing he needs to work on is picking up breaking pitch spin better for some matchups and reducing swings outside of the zone. He is one of the most free swinging batters on pitches outside the zone this year. Luckily, that's fixable, part of adjusting to the majors, and a matter of reps.

[KevinC]

Anyone else notice Bichette seems to have a lack of hustle both at the plate and in the field?

He pulled an Acuna a few games ago (maybe in Oakland) not busting it out of the box admiring what he though was a HR and ending up with a single off the wall. Today's game he doesn't hustle out of the box and ends up getting thrown out at first by Acuna throwing behind him.

Not a good sign early in your career.

[SaintsandDevils]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Anyone else notice Bichette seems to have a lack of hustle both at the plate and in the field?

He pulled an Acuna a few games ago (maybe in Oakland) not busting it out of the box admiring what he though was a HR and ending up with a single off the wall. Today's game he doesn't hustle out of the box and ends up getting thrown out at first by Acuna throwing behind him.

Not a good sign early in your career.

Uh nope

[Trueblue]

Bo with another big game to push him to .277

31 runs, 23 RBIs, 8 homers, 6 SBs through 36 games (22% season). Yeah, he's fine.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Bo with another big game to push him to .277

31 runs, 23 RBIs, 8 homers, 6 SBs through 36 games (22% season). Yeah, he's fine.

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[SaintsandDevils]

Attachment 507051

Anyone interested in an Orange Stadium Club auto 4/5?

[Jjbecker]

Bought this /25 Low Pop beauty just as the season started for $1050. Watching Bo’s hobby value decline is a bummer right now but hoping as the season goes on people will take notice that he’s having a stellar season. Probably overshadowed by Vlad’s headstart....

[seanrs1]

I am noticing Bo's cards are dropping in price across the board. His performance this year has been ok...not tearing it up...but not slumping either. Still hitting for power and stealing bases and is a young 23. Am I missing something? I would think prices would be steady and not going down. What does everyone think?

1. Price going down due to performance
2. Price going down due to market forces (ie less raw singles being sold due to PSA grading being unavailable at most levels)
3. Pending market doom sell everything now (except PC items)

[Jjbecker]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I am noticing Bo's cards are dropping in price across the board. His performance this year has been ok...not tearing it up...but not slumping either. Still hitting for power and stealing bases and is a young 23. Am I missing something? I would think prices would be steady and not going down. What does everyone think?

1. Price going down due to performance
2. Price going down due to market forces (ie less raw singles being sold due to PSA grading being unavailable at most levels)
3. Pending market doom sell everything now (except PC items)

It makes no sense. Could it be due to the fact that the ascension of Vlad Jr this season has pushed Bo aside as a footnote on the same team?
To compare the nonsense, the Trout 2011 Update RC PSA10 is down by almost 25% since the season began. Go figure since the dude is tearing it up.

[Alwayslefty]

I think it’s just long season malaise. Easy to be overshadowed by Ohtani Walsh Mercedes etc who are having media grabbing seasons. I think playoffs and off-season are the climbing times for those who already have big PC followings. Plus there are a ton of good and future good SS. That waters him down. I’m still hoping for a big rise, but I expect it will come when he’s 3-4 in a playoff game.

Lefty

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

I think these red parallels will end up harder to find than most.

Totally agree. Also, high-grade examples are non-existent due to the way they were packaged out.

[ALBASKETBALL]

Originally Posted by Jjbecker

It makes no sense. Could it be due to the fact that the ascension of Vlad Jr this season has pushed Bo aside as a footnote on the same team?
To compare the nonsense, the Trout 2011 Update RC PSA10 is down by almost 25% since the season began. Go figure since the dude is tearing it up.

Trout is down because the new money and pump crowd moved on.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I am noticing Bo's cards are dropping in price across the board. His performance this year has been ok...not tearing it up...but not slumping either. Still hitting for power and stealing bases and is a young 23. Am I missing something? I would think prices would be steady and not going down. What does everyone think?



1. Price going down due to performance

2. Price going down due to market forces (ie less raw singles being sold due to PSA grading being unavailable at most levels)

3. Pending market doom sell everything now (except PC items)

Pre-season anticipation was a bit intense. I was actually surprised that many of his cards were selling for more than Vlad’s equivalents.

And while he’s doing reasonably well, he’s not exactly performing at an elite level. He’s roughly on pace for 30/30, but he’s batting .271 with a .795 OPS, and he’s committed 7 errors in the field. (Although, that’s not nearly has bad as Tatis’ 11 errors.)

So, his current performance isn’t enough to keep the balloon fully inflated. And yes, he’s definitely overshadowed by Vlad. But it’s still early. He still has the rest of this month and four more months to go on some hot streaks.




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[cloakroom]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Totally agree. Also, high-grade examples are non-existent due to the way they were packaged out.

did anyone ever get down to the bottom of went on there exactly? way more blues at target than reds, i'd assume there's a bunch of reds in a warehouse somewhere? who knows though.