Who's to blame for Target's decision to halt trading card sales? Everyone.

KSIGN · 05-18-2021, 03:36 PM

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/...ales-everyone/

Very, Very, Very well said.

asujbl · 05-18-2021, 03:38 PM

Not me

I haven’t bought a pack of cards since 1997

ThoseBackPages · 05-18-2021, 03:39 PM

Topps.

rngrdanny22 · 05-18-2021, 03:39 PM

Speak for yourself, I haven't been in a Target in almost 3 years...

rngrdanny22 · 05-18-2021, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Topps.

Wrong. It's the grading companies. PSA in particular.

ThoseBackPages · 05-18-2021, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Wrong. It's the grading companies. PSA in particular.

no topps, no grading companies

#ThanksTopps

rngrdanny22 · 05-18-2021, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

no topps, no grading companies

#ThanksTopps

No humans, no Topps, no grading companies

#ThanksHumans

ThoseBackPages · 05-18-2021, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

No humans, no Topps, no grading companies

#ThanksHumans

#FACTS

glen87 · 05-18-2021, 03:42 PM

the #cesspool

notoriousrmb · 05-18-2021, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Wrong. It's the grading companies. PSA in particular.

Yep. The PSA surge makes uninformed buyers assume they can buy raw cards, mass sub and have free profits.

And if the cards aren't perfect coming out of packs, just 'doctor' them to make them perfect and bam, more free money.

If people didn't blindly throw so much money at a company that doesn't even do the job they are being paid to do correctly, we wouldn't have these obscene prices.

And before anyone jumps on it, I'm not against grading. I have many important cards with many important grades.

Just frustrated with the PSA hype for no reason, too much bad stuff going on with them.

salas1991 · 05-18-2021, 04:14 PM

Lol, apparently someone wasn't happy about the article since it's already gone!

base set · 05-18-2021, 04:16 PM

Problems @Target mostly weren’t with baseball cards, really.

dfenno · 05-18-2021, 04:28 PM

I blame Machado.

salthill · 05-18-2021, 04:32 PM

Google cached it…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spo...g1tpttn3gt03nq

thenightman · 05-18-2021, 04:35 PM

Honestly, IMO, the blame falls with grading companies not expanding fast enough to meet demand. These companies, PSA in particular, had an opportunity to expand to a level once only dreamed of and not only did they get caught with their pants down, they proceeded to trip over themselves multiple times after the fact.

And before you bring up the coof, they should have been working to expand long before any of this happened. The writing was on the wall 3-4 years ago.

TimBuckTwo · 05-18-2021, 04:38 PM

Arbitragers are to blame. Those are the ones that flexed into the card arena when prices jumped.

Chris P · 05-18-2021, 04:39 PM

I know it's nitpicky but the author is using hobby only cards (the Lamelo Purple numbered to 99 and numbered to 1 and 5) as a reason why people would buy retail off Ebay. I know there are numbered parallels in retail but they are few and far between and nearly impossible to hit

IlliniBear · 05-18-2021, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asujbl

Not me

I haven’t bought a pack of cards since 1997

Lol. You got him there.

golakers32 · 05-18-2021, 04:47 PM

Everything in this wacky market flows from the pandemic. None of this hype would exist but for lockdown, boredom reigniting old hobbies, hoarding, speculating for money, stimulus checks, etc.

1000 Sport Zonk · 05-18-2021, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSIGN

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/...ales-everyone/

Very, Very, Very well said.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/...g1tpttn3gt03nq

Original link died apparently, here is a different one to the same site.

IlliniBear · 05-18-2021, 04:52 PM

He didn't mention the breakers but all in all a good article.

Also, in mentioning card sales he cited numbered prizm cards which I believe are only available in hobby. But I'm sure there are thousand dollar pulls in Prizm retail.

thenightman · 05-18-2021, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by golakers32

Everything in this wacky market flows from the pandemic. None of this hype would exist but for lockdown, boredom reigniting old hobbies, hoarding, speculating for money, stimulus checks, etc.

The pandemic put kerosene on an already blazing fire.

bloodwings19 · 05-18-2021, 04:53 PM

They forgot to blame "The Last Dance" which made everything surged.

Jaysabz · 05-18-2021, 04:54 PM

Unemployed people struggling to make a living.

Elemin8 · 05-18-2021, 04:55 PM

IMO The blame flows downwards. Some blame goes to the manufacturers they should make it harder to hit parallels in retail and make a larger difference in value from retail to hobby. This would help the hobby stores drive business. Keep the retail exclusives like Target and Walmart and both parties can coexist. Then the distributors should also be capped on the markup that they are generating cause they are trying to benefit from being the gatekeepers as well as capitalizing on the secondary market. For instance, Topps sells a product at a discount to the MSRP price and then distributors release it for a markup price. Problem is when the price goes up in the secondary market, so does their price to capitalize on the demand but their initial buy in stays the same from Topps so that is a little sketch... In other similar models this is usually regulated by the Vendor but this never seems the case with Distributors in the card market. People on this board who have been collecting for a long time could see us moving this way as the increases have been rising. The good thing is we are starting to put these controls in place like restrictions in retail and even higher barriers in cost of grading that while they dont seem to be popular right now they will eventually help out the market. There are probably alot more reasons as well

05-18-2021, 03:36 PM	#1
KSIGN Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 264 ksignore	Who's to blame for Target's decision to halt trading card sales? Everyone. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/...ales-everyone/ Very, Very, Very well said.

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05-18-2021, 04:28 PM	#13
dfenno Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 991	I blame Machado. __________________ Looking for Topps Flagship parallels/serial numbered RCs: 2022 Hunter Greene & 2023 Corbin Carroll Scotch Tape: JUST SAY NO!

05-18-2021, 03:39 PM	#4
rngrdanny22 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 12,372	Speak for yourself, I haven't been in a Target in almost 3 years...

05-18-2021, 04:14 PM	#11
salas1991 Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Earth Posts: 1,321	Lol, apparently someone wasn't happy about the article since it's already gone!

05-18-2021, 04:16 PM	#12
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,428	Problems @Target mostly weren’t with baseball cards, really.

05-18-2021, 04:32 PM	#14
salthill Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 8,527 salthill	Google cached it… https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spo...g1tpttn3gt03nq

05-18-2021, 04:35 PM	#15
thenightman Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 6,620	Honestly, IMO, the blame falls with grading companies not expanding fast enough to meet demand. These companies, PSA in particular, had an opportunity to expand to a level once only dreamed of and not only did they get caught with their pants down, they proceeded to trip over themselves multiple times after the fact. And before you bring up the coof, they should have been working to expand long before any of this happened. The writing was on the wall 3-4 years ago.

05-18-2021, 04:38 PM	#16
TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,068	Arbitragers are to blame. Those are the ones that flexed into the card arena when prices jumped.

05-18-2021, 04:39 PM	#17
Chris P Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 14,680	I know it's nitpicky but the author is using hobby only cards (the Lamelo Purple numbered to 99 and numbered to 1 and 5) as a reason why people would buy retail off Ebay. I know there are numbered parallels in retail but they are few and far between and nearly impossible to hit

05-18-2021, 04:47 PM	#19
golakers32 Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 325	Everything in this wacky market flows from the pandemic. None of this hype would exist but for lockdown, boredom reigniting old hobbies, hoarding, speculating for money, stimulus checks, etc.

05-18-2021, 04:52 PM	#21
IlliniBear Banned Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 532	He didn't mention the breakers but all in all a good article. Also, in mentioning card sales he cited numbered prizm cards which I believe are only available in hobby. But I'm sure there are thousand dollar pulls in Prizm retail.

05-18-2021, 04:53 PM	#23
bloodwings19 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,971	They forgot to blame "The Last Dance" which made everything surged.

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Jaysabz Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Greater Philadelphia Area Posts: 4,080 jaysabz	Unemployed people struggling to make a living. __________________ Love me some Comics, JRPGs, and Philadelphia Sports! Go Eagles

05-18-2021, 04:55 PM	#25
Elemin8 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 456	IMO The blame flows downwards. Some blame goes to the manufacturers they should make it harder to hit parallels in retail and make a larger difference in value from retail to hobby. This would help the hobby stores drive business. Keep the retail exclusives like Target and Walmart and both parties can coexist. Then the distributors should also be capped on the markup that they are generating cause they are trying to benefit from being the gatekeepers as well as capitalizing on the secondary market. For instance, Topps sells a product at a discount to the MSRP price and then distributors release it for a markup price. Problem is when the price goes up in the secondary market, so does their price to capitalize on the demand but their initial buy in stays the same from Topps so that is a little sketch... In other similar models this is usually regulated by the Vendor but this never seems the case with Distributors in the card market. People on this board who have been collecting for a long time could see us moving this way as the increases have been rising. The good thing is we are starting to put these controls in place like restrictions in retail and even higher barriers in cost of grading that while they dont seem to be popular right now they will eventually help out the market. There are probably alot more reasons as well