2021 NBA Draft Discussion - Page 3

daeve · 05-18-2021, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by smalltown

Dort is the last player OKC will trade at least until 22-23. His Cap hit is too ridiculously low - less than 2M per season. Could never replace his value and the flexibility his contract gives.

Yeah they won't be looking to give him away - and his cap hit makes him incredibly enticing for any current playoff teams - which Atlanta is... and seeing as how they're trying to make cap room to re-sign Collins, I think someone like Dort becomes that much more attractive.

Schlenk and Presti are both unafraid to pull the trigger to make improvements. If Schlenk throws Presti some assets in a deal like this, you know Presti would at least entertain it.

Ultimately it will boil down to how Atl looks in the playoffs this year, as I said earlier - if wing defense doesn't look too susceptible to future success, maybe they stand pat.

But again, a few reasons why something like this makes a ton of sense :

1- they want to re-sign John Collins
2- Trae will never be a + defender, so putting a versatile ++ guy next to him [and one who can score a bit, do a bit of everything] would be ideal
3- they used a high draft pick on Okongwu - he was clearly the long-term answer at C given the ages/experience of the rest of the core, even if Capela sped up their timeline slightly.

Dort and Capela are both guys that neither team can just draft and plug in immediately. ++ guys don't grow on trees. Again, Schlenk will have to decide if it's worth paying the price, but how he's built the team thus far, it seems that a move like this would be what they're looking to do.

helstad · 05-18-2021, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by smalltown

Some one will for sure take a chance on him. Lack of outside shot is gonna hurt his stock a bit but i love his defensive potential. If someone thinks they can teach him to hit a 3 he'll probably go bottom of the first. But i can't see him sliding much past 45.

The mock drafts I've seen have him at about #51-55. I'll be honest I don't know much about his game since I don't follow college ball, but just having a guy with a chance would be great, even if he has to play some g-league. Also I would collect a player for the first time ever, another personal challenge

smalltown · 05-18-2021, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by helstad

The mock drafts I've seen have him at about #51-55. I'll be honest I don't know much about his game since I don't follow college ball, but just having a guy with a chance would be great, even if he has to play some g-league. Also I would collect a player for the first time ever, another personal challenge

He’s a big boy who can block shots and grab boards. Someone will take a chance. Hope for you he gets drafted into a good situation.

smalltown · 05-19-2021, 07:12 AM

What does everyone think of James Bouknight? I have a buddy who's all in on him. I'm having a harder time seeing it.

jcardstore · 05-19-2021, 07:21 AM

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What does everyone think of James Bouknight? I have a buddy who's all in on him. I'm having a harder time seeing it.

I don't know what his NBA role will be tbh. Measurements are decent but he's skinny.

Not a great finisher around the rim, definitely not a PG / primary ball handler. Decent shooter but more of an all around scorer.

To me, he seems like an instant offense off the bench kind of guy. Reminds me a little bit of Jordan Clarkson.

Don't really see any stand out elite skills, decent all around game without anything that pops is gonna hold him back at the next level

smalltown · 05-19-2021, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

I don't know what his NBA role will be tbh. Measurements are decent but he's skinny.

Not a great finisher around the rim, definitely not a PG / primary ball handler. Decent shooter but more of an all around scorer.

To me, he seems like an instant offense off the bench kind of guy. Reminds me a little bit of Jordan Clarkson.

Don't really see any stand out elite skills, decent all around game without anything that pops is gonna hold him back at the next level

He just kinda looks like a chucker to me.

jcardstore · 05-19-2021, 07:24 AM

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He just kinda looks like a chucker to me.

Hence the Jordan Clarkson comparison haha. Or like, Malik Monk.

jcardstore · 05-19-2021, 07:27 AM

I'll say this, he's not a guy I would want to take in the lottery.

smalltown · 05-19-2021, 07:29 AM

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I'll say this, he's not a guy I would want to take in the lottery.

Me either. Which means he'll probably go to Sacramento. lol

jcardstore · 05-19-2021, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by smalltown

Me either. Which means he'll probably go to Sacramento. lol

Would you rather have Keon Johnson or Bouknight?

smalltown · 05-19-2021, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Would you rather have Keon Johnson or Bouknight?

Keon Johnson hands down. Worst case he's a solid rotation defensive player/slasher. His shot is so broken though.

jcardstore · 05-19-2021, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by smalltown

Keon Johnson hands down. Worst case he's a solid rotation defensive player/slasher. His shot is so broken though.

Same. Scoring/Shooting is the easiest skill to fill in the NBA. Bouknight is projected higher which is surprising to me

Anyone (almost) can fix a jumpshot. Can't teach defensive instincts / intensity

smalltown · 05-19-2021, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Same. Scoring/Shooting is the easiest skill to fill in the NBA. Bouknight is projected higher which is surprising to me

Anyone (almost) can fix a jumpshot. Can't teach defensive instincts / intensity

He's one of the players that keeps being tied to the Raptors. But we're being tied to every SG so i don't really buy it.

ClipsandVols · 05-19-2021, 08:16 AM

Whoever gets Keon is definitely getting someone who will be a fan favorite. His motor is going 99.9% of the time. He was a ton of fun to watch this season. His athleticism translates well to the NBA. His shot can be fixed...he's never really needed to rely on it.

sportzluvr1 · 05-19-2021, 08:22 AM

Think Ayo is a Dennis Schroeder type and Im seeing him mocked in the same range that Dennis got picked back in ‘13.

brothertona · 05-19-2021, 08:38 AM

The problem with Dort, was also the problem with JC. His contract was way too low, you couldn't figure out matching salaries. Okongwu could give you 50 to 75% of Capela next year and provides a little more defensive versatility in the ability to slide out to the perimeter to defend. He's shown the ability to be a Bam like defender. I think the Hawks sign Caruso with their mid-level but give me Dort everyday. If I cleared the Capela salary plus the mid-level I could potentially make a play on Kyle Lowry as well or Lonzo or take a risk on Oladipo or GTJ or Dinwiddie.

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Originally Posted by daeve

Yeah they won't be looking to give him away - and his cap hit makes him incredibly enticing for any current playoff teams - which Atlanta is... and seeing as how they're trying to make cap room to re-sign Collins, I think someone like Dort becomes that much more attractive.

Schlenk and Presti are both unafraid to pull the trigger to make improvements. If Schlenk throws Presti some assets in a deal like this, you know Presti would at least entertain it.

Ultimately it will boil down to how Atl looks in the playoffs this year, as I said earlier - if wing defense doesn't look too susceptible to future success, maybe they stand pat.

But again, a few reasons why something like this makes a ton of sense :

1- they want to re-sign John Collins
2- Trae will never be a + defender, so putting a versatile ++ guy next to him [and one who can score a bit, do a bit of everything] would be ideal
3- they used a high draft pick on Okongwu - he was clearly the long-term answer at C given the ages/experience of the rest of the core, even if Capela sped up their timeline slightly.

Dort and Capela are both guys that neither team can just draft and plug in immediately. ++ guys don't grow on trees. Again, Schlenk will have to decide if it's worth paying the price, but how he's built the team thus far, it seems that a move like this would be what they're looking to do.

smalltown · 05-20-2021, 07:24 AM

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As long as Neemias Queta is drafted I'll be happy.

Apparently the Raptors have growing interest in him as a second round pick. Probably just gearing up to have him in for a workout or interview, but thought you'd appreciate the info.

Scottish Punk · 05-20-2021, 08:31 AM

Man, I know I should be super excited about this draft. The Pistons should get one of the top two or three picks. I just didn't follow college basketball much this year and don't know much about the top prospects. Feels like a baseball or hockey draft, lol.

Cunnigham, Mobley, and Suggs are expected to be top three. I think they all look to be really good players. Are they franchise type players? Max contract guys in three years? That is what you want when you get the chance for 1st or 2nd pick. Pistons are in need of one. The last time they picked this high was Darko and Grant Hill. Obviously, looking at a Hill type franchise player.

helstad · 05-20-2021, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by smalltown

Apparently the Raptors have growing interest in him as a second round pick. Probably just gearing up to have him in for a workout or interview, but thought you'd appreciate the info.

Cool, thanks for sharing

I've always had a soft spot for the raptors because of carter, It'd be great

smalltown · 05-20-2021, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Cunnigham, Mobley, and Suggs are expected to be top three.

They’re all really good. They all have significant areas of concern too. They’re not Zion level #1s. A significant number of Oeople think Jalen Green could go 2 or 3. And some even think Kuminga could move up depending on how the balls bounce.

I think:
Cade is a lock 1-2
Mobley is a lock 1-3
Green is a lock 2-5

Suggs I don’t think is a lock for top 3.

jcardstore · 05-20-2021, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by smalltown

They’re all really good. They all have significant areas of concern too. They’re not Zion level #1s. A significant number of Oeople think Jalen Green could go 2 or 3. And some even think Kuminga could move up depending on how the balls bounce.

I think:
Cade is a lock 1-2
Mobley is a lock 1-3
Green is a lock 2-5

Suggs I don’t think is a lock for top 3.

I think Cade is one of the best prospects in recent years. Green surprised me in the G league this season as well I think his potential is out of this world.

Not so sold on Mobley and outside of that it's a crap shoot

jcardstore · 05-20-2021, 10:33 AM

I think it's almost a certainty that Cade/Green go 1/2. They're the 2 most talented players in this draft IMO

smalltown · 05-20-2021, 10:41 AM

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I think it's almost a certainty that Cade/Green go 1/2. They're the 2 most talented players in this draft IMO

I think Green depends on team. I think at least 4-5 of the lottery teams would take Mobley over green without hesitation.

smalltown · 05-20-2021, 10:42 AM

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I think Cade is one of the best prospects in recent years. Green surprised me in the G league this season as well I think his potential is out of this world.

Not so sold on Mobley and outside of that it's a crap shoot

Not knocking Cade at all. Just don’t think he’s gonna have a Zion type impact right away. Wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong though.

jcardstore · 05-20-2021, 11:09 AM

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Not knocking Cade at all. Just don’t think he’s gonna have a Zion type impact right away. Wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong though.

You're probably right. I'm probably higher on Cade than most.

It's hard for a guy to come in and have Zion impact right away. Even LaMelo (Who I'd take over Zion) didn't have close to Zions impact

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ClipsandVols Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 3,757 ClipsandVols	Whoever gets Keon is definitely getting someone who will be a fan favorite. His motor is going 99.9% of the time. He was a ton of fun to watch this season. His athleticism translates well to the NBA. His shot can be fixed...he's never really needed to rely on it. __________________ I don’t expect apologies because I know there is too much ego and pride in the human race- Gabriel Seraf

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05-20-2021, 08:31 AM	#68
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 9,659 scottishpunk	Man, I know I should be super excited about this draft. The Pistons should get one of the top two or three picks. I just didn't follow college basketball much this year and don't know much about the top prospects. Feels like a baseball or hockey draft, lol. Cunnigham, Mobley, and Suggs are expected to be top three. I think they all look to be really good players. Are they franchise type players? Max contract guys in three years? That is what you want when you get the chance for 1st or 2nd pick. Pistons are in need of one. The last time they picked this high was Darko and Grant Hill. Obviously, looking at a Hill type franchise player.