Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

Yea I am seeing it across the board. Starting to think hype>performance.

Still can't bring myself to pay $100 for any rookie parallel of a guy barley hitting over .200.

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Who are you referring to hitting barely over .200?

[kabrune2]

Originally Posted by LVDan

I think people may be underestimating the overall softening of the market in the last month or so. A 50% increase in anything lately should be viewed as a pretty impressive gain IMO.
Context.

Guberment isn’t sending out stimulus checks anymore, gas prices are going up, business are forcing people back into the office (more $ spent on gas/lunch), rent & housing prices have gone up 30% over the last few years, groceries are up 10% or more, there just isn’t the disposable income for cards that there was just a few months ago. I think 2020-2021 cards will see a massive drop in value as people see the actual print runs, 2019 isn’t printed as much but it’s still a significant amount over 2018, which was an increase over 2017. It won’t be a crash but more of a correction in card pricing over the next year.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by kabrune2

Guberment isn’t sending out stimulus checks anymore, gas prices are going up, business are forcing people back into the office (more $ spent on gas/lunch), rent & housing prices have gone up 30% over the last few years, groceries are up 10% or more, there just isn’t the disposable income for cards that there was just a few months ago. I think 2020-2021 cards will see a massive drop in value as people see the actual print runs, 2019 isn’t printed as much but it’s still a significant amount over 2018, which was an increase over 2017. It won’t be a crash but more of a correction in card pricing over the next year.

Put another way, life is starting to go back to normal. The 2020 collecting year was driven by circumstances as unusual as those behind the 2020 baseball season.

That said, big money is still being spent on cards. For instance, a Tatis Independence Day PSA 10 sold for $8500 the other day. At some point, the people who bid on that card are going to feel comfortable spending similar amounts of Vlad—they might just be more cautious until his emergence proves to be more than just a couple of hot months.




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[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Who are you referring to hitting barely over .200?

Every rookie from 2021 lol

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[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

Every rookie from 2021 lol

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Haha! That's true. Give them some time, but yeah, I wouldn't drop $100+ on a refractor of those guys right now. They are going to be running strong on release of 2021 TC.

[zeus22]

Nothing better than clicking on the Stats tab on MLB.com and seeing our recently-turned 22 year old leading the majors in OPS at 1.096. Let that sink in!!

On top of that.....the Jays have ONLY played 18 home games vs. 25 road games. He is certainly crushing it in Dunedin with gaudy stats of .433BA and 1.453OPS. But...in an "off" year of 2020 he still batted .323BA and .945OPS at Sahlen Field and led the Jays in both stats.

Oh.....and by the way....#1 in all of MLB according to FANGRAPHS with a 2.9WAR

https://www.fangraphs.com/warleaders...=2021&team=all

Happy to keep buying all cards of Vladdy.

[Lonewolf]

Maybe this is the year Fatty puts it together...he's looking more and more like
35 homers, .300 avg for the year is within reach...

[ThoseBackPages]

"correction" "Dip", whatever you want to call it, does not have much effect on collectors

[dream34]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Maybe this is the year Fatty puts it together...he's looking more and more like
35 homers, .300 avg for the year is within reach...

Not this again....

I don't know one person who has ever enjoyed being called this.

You may think it's endearing or that the other person finds it funny but from my experience it is the cause of a lot of future problems for many. I literally cringe everytime I see this mentioned in this thread. Just a small request but let's cut this out a little?

[jbruner23]

Quick comparison of Tatis vs Vlad PSA 10 prices on their chrome base, chrome refractor, and sapphire cards. Gap has certainly closed, but you can still get a Vlad sapphire or chrome base for 50% of Tatis. Smaller discount on chrome refractors based on most recent sales.




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[dmanrico]

Originally Posted by jbruner23

Quick comparison of Tatis vs Vlad PSA 10 prices on their chrome base, chrome refractor, and sapphire cards. Gap has certainly closed, but you can still get a Vlad sapphire or chrome base for 50% of Tatis. Smaller discount on chrome refractors based on most recent sales.




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Thanks for sharing. I believe over time Vladdy will separate himself from Tatis from a pure hitting standpoint. The question becomes how much Tatis' physical flare commands a premium.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by dmanrico

Thanks for sharing. I believe over time Vladdy will separate himself from Tatis from a pure hitting standpoint. The question becomes how much Tatis' physical flare commands a premium.

Yeah, Tatis definitely has some flash and swagger.

It's definitely not his defense that separates him from Vladdy either. Tatis has already made 11 errors this season. Sure, Vladdy plays 1B, but he's made just 1.

To expand a little, Tatis has more errors than any SS in MLB this year, and hasn't even played enough games to be considered "qualified".

Vladdy is in 6th place for 1B with a .997 fielding percentage (due to extra decimals). If we stopped at three decimals, he's tied for 2nd.

[zeus22]

Originally Posted by jbruner23

Quick comparison of Tatis vs Vlad PSA 10 prices on their chrome base, chrome refractor, and sapphire cards. Gap has certainly closed, but you can still get a Vlad sapphire or chrome base for 50% of Tatis. Smaller discount on chrome refractors based on most recent sales.




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YES! Thanks for sharing that.

Would be amazing if you could somehow add '16 Bowman Chrome (pick any one that has sufficient data) to that grouping.

Picked up a NNO AND an Update SP (pointing) for a total of $80 shipped.

[BSG]

When will the Topps Mystery start to make some big gains??

[dmanrico]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Yeah, Tatis definitely has some flash and swagger.

It's definitely not his defense that separates him from Vladdy either. Tatis has already made 11 errors this season. Sure, Vladdy plays 1B, but he's made just 1.

To expand a little, Tatis has more errors than any SS in MLB this year, and hasn't even played enough games to be considered "qualified".

Vladdy is in 6th place for 1B with a .997 fielding percentage (due to extra decimals). If we stopped at three decimals, he's tied for 2nd.

Totally agree. I chose the word “flare” very carefully. I feel like Tatis has a rep as an amazing defensive player, but he’s actually below average. But he certainly has flare, energy and is very fun to watch.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by dmanrico

Totally agree. I chose the word “flare” very carefully. I feel like Tatis has a rep as an amazing defensive player, but he’s actually below average. But he certainly has flare, energy and is very fun to watch.

They'll both be dynamic in their own right and what I love most about that is that they're both good buddies. This will be HOPEFULLY be a great debate for years!

[ThoseBackPages]

much like Ronny and Juanny in 2018, there is no reason not to have collected both in 2019

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by zeus22

Picked up a NNO AND an Update SP (pointing) for a total of $80 shipped.

Steal. It is my humble opinion that the SP “pointing” is the single-best buy in Vlad world. It’s his equivalent of the Soto dugout SP or Acuna gazing by the batting cage.

There has been some promising upward movement—not too long ago, it could be had for $40 or less—but it still seems rather undervalued.


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[ThoseBackPages]

i like how he is pointing to the corner damage due to the crappy design lol

[dream34]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

much like Ronny and Juanny in 2018, there is no reason not to have collected both in 2019

This. No need to bash one to make the other better. Normally it's because of the other that one increases in value over the years. Rising tide floats all boats. Very evident in the MJ/Lebron/Kobe price seesaw.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by BSG

When will the Topps Mystery start to make some big gains??

The million dollar question. (Well, maybe more like the $2500 question.)

Outside of a 1st Bowman Chrome auto, a flagship auto (of which there are very few examples in existence) seems pretty hard to beat.


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[dmanrico]

Originally Posted by dream34

This. No need to bash one to make the other better. Normally it's because of the other that one increases in value over the years. Rising tide floats all boats. Very evident in the MJ/Lebron/Kobe price seesaw.

I agree and I’m not bashing Tatis. As I said before he is very fun to watch and I’m very happy he’s part of the baseball elite. The game needs more players like him.

[bywayofvintage]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i like how he is pointing to the corner damage due to the crappy design lol

Yep, mine had the same peeling right above the pointing lol.

[dream34]

Originally Posted by BSG

When will the Topps Mystery start to make some big gains??

Originally Posted by eye4talent

The million dollar question. (Well, maybe more like the $2500 question.)

Outside of a 1st Bowman Chrome auto, a flagship auto (of which there are very few examples in existence) seems pretty hard to beat.


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Seem like a great buying opportunity

Originally Posted by dmanrico

I agree and I’m not bashing Tatis. As I said before he is very fun to watch and I’m very happy he’s part of the baseball elite. The game needs more players like him.

Me too. I own zero Tatis anymore but happy when he does good and his cards do good. Just raising that bar.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by dream34

Not this again....



I don't know one person who has ever enjoyed being called this.



You may think it's endearing or that the other person finds it funny but from my experience it is the cause of a lot of future problems for many. I literally cringe everytime I see this mentioned in this thread. Just a small request but let's cut this out a little?

I second this. No need for it, for
the reasons you explained.

And besides prodding other people’s insecurities with fat-shaming that’s as mentally unhealthy as the extra weight is physically, it hardly even applies.

The dude took responsibility for his weight gain, worked extremely hard, and is now benefiting from all the hard work. If he had grown up in the US, his natural strength and athleticism probably would’ve allowed him to be a high-level linebacker. Instead, he’s the best hitter of baseballs on the planet, and people still want to call him “fatty” because...during the early months of the pandemic he indulged in too much fried food and beer?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/s...ight-loss.html


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