First HGA order back

FunDragon · 06-05-2021, 04:15 PM

My first order to HGA after two try’s every week for about 3 weeks, finally land a number within 100.
Really wanted to take full advantage of the moment, picked a few high value cards which I was hesitant to send to PSA or Beckett because of the high fees involved, these are very thick cards and are known to be tough grades on the corners and edges.

Five cards each costing $35 each for a 30 day return. Was happy to get the Shipped email after about 40 days which was totally acceptable in today’s environment. Not knowing the grades before opening the box arrive bring extra excitement.

Here are the results, was happy with it for sure. BTW all autos were graded 10’s which is shown on the back of the card, which my thoughts are if they can somehow squeeze into the front of the label would be better. (well, how about just the ones graded 10’s）

First time I see these Slabs in person, I think I really like the looks of it. The Labels looks good too, if you pick the right templates. On Second thought, I think the Lebron in Irish uniform would look much better if the colors on the label match his team colors (Gold)

You guys decide how fair these grades are, comparing to if they were done by the other big two.

You comments positive & negative are welcome and appreciated

MarsAttacks · 06-05-2021, 06:55 PM

Nice cards! No way the black college Lebron should be a gem mint.

RetailHitsOnly · 06-05-2021, 07:16 PM

I think you may have some trouble selling the black lebron at gem mint prices if buyers notice the condition.

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FunDragon · 06-05-2021, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MarsAttacks

Nice cards! No way the black college Lebron should be a gem mint.

That was a surprise on the happy side. No way I am sending it back for review thou ...

Kidding aside, my photo may be a bit off with some of the light reflections. These Black cards are really tough grades.

Thanks for the comments.

FunDragon · 06-05-2021, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RetailHitsOnly

I think you may have some trouble selling the black lebron at gem mint prices if buyers notice the condition.

I know, Right... that photo really misleading, may need to do a better scanning job.

PostBaloney · 06-05-2021, 08:07 PM

dang them some bangers

glen87 · 06-05-2021, 08:11 PM

why are there so many different labels and especially the 8.0 and the 9.5 look the same.

glen87 · 06-05-2021, 08:12 PM

...oh and agree....how did that college get a 9.0 on edges???

RetailHitsOnly · 06-05-2021, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FunDragon

I know, Right... that photo really misleading, may need to do a better scanning job.

It’s still a great card though!

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RufussCkingston · 06-05-2021, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MarsAttacks

Nice cards! No way the black college Lebron should be a gem mint.

Wait..... LeBron went to College?

Most of the cards are graded .5 higher than they should be based on the subgrades. Pretty sure it is standard at BGS and CSG that if the lowest two grades match, that's the grade.

In the case of HGA, don't buy the grade, buy the subgrades!!!

aggie4ever · 06-05-2021, 11:01 PM

Some strange looking grades there... on the first Exquisite, there are two 8.5 subgrades, so I'm not sure how it got a 9 overall. And on the UD black, two 9.0 subgrades, but got a 9.5 overall.

Looks like HGA just averaged out the subgrades... BUT also rounded up on those two.

The_Reverend · 06-06-2021, 06:45 AM

How is the LeBron Black a 9.5 with 2 9 grades? How is the exquisite and 8 with7 and 7,5 sub? 3 of those cards final grade makes absolutely no sense.

KhalDrogo · 06-06-2021, 08:02 AM

Nice cards. Extremely generous averaging of the sub grades for three of the five.

kabrune2 · 06-06-2021, 08:56 AM

That 4 auto’d Lebron/Bird/DrJ/Magic is freakin nice! 8 grade or not... having the label still look as nice as it does for an 8 is a big deal, white label BGS always drives me crazy.

RL 1953 · 06-06-2021, 01:45 PM

HGA was very generous with the assigned grade's

dunkindutchmen · 06-06-2021, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RL 1953

HGA was very generous with the assigned grade's

9.5 on a Lebron card with soft corners and chipping all along the edges. Good lord.

SupermanBrandon · 06-06-2021, 03:46 PM

Game Changing AI Grading!

KepCards · 06-06-2021, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarsAttacks

Nice cards! No way the black college Lebron should be a gem mint.

agree

KepCards · 06-06-2021, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Reverend

How is the LeBron Black a 9.5 with 2 9 grades? How is the exquisite and 8 with7 and 7,5 sub? 3 of those cards final grade makes absolutely no sense.

I don't think anyone knows how they come up with their final grades...it seems to be all over the map from the various submission returns I have seen

KepCards · 06-06-2021, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

9.5 on a Lebron card with soft corners and chipping all along the edges. Good lord.

yep -- with every passing day, I think HGA is proving they aren't a valid player in the grading market...inaccurate subgrades, final grades that make zero sense when looking at the subgrades, etc....I wouldn't even send my Welcome Back Kotter cards to them

KhalDrogo · 06-06-2021, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KepCards

I don't think anyone knows how they come up with their final grades...it seems to be all over the map from the various submission returns I have seen

It’s an average, and they round up if it’s greater than half way between two grades. Can’t be more than 1.0 higher than the lowest grade.

FunDragon · 06-06-2021, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It’s an average, and they round up if it’s greater than half way between two grades. Can’t be more than 1.0 higher than the lowest grade.

I think that is true,

I am always lucky when they assign grades by decimal points.

Don't ask me how I got the 9.5 when there is a 8.5 Surface grade on this one neither.....!!

38.50/4 = 9.625

zeus22 · 06-06-2021, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunDragon

I think that is true,

I am always lucky when they assign grades by decimal points.

Don't ask me how I got the 9.5 when there is a 8.5 Surface grade on this one neither.....!!

38.50/4 = 9.625

It's on Beckett's website about their grading procedure. Very clearly states that a card with 3 x 10 subgrades and the Surface being a 8.5 will see a 1 point jump and final grade will be a 9.5.

I have a few of these in my possession with the 8.5 typically being from print lines. I was very curious as well and went looking to find more info on their standards.

TSonn · 06-07-2021, 01:05 PM

For those wondering, HGA doesn't use the exact same scale as BGS.

They allow the overall grade to be 1.0 point above the lowest subgrade (2.0 above if overall grade is lower than a 5 I believe)
If a card has 2 lower subgrades (8.5s) but the rest of the subgrades bump the average above that subgrade (9.0), the overall grade will be the average, not lowest subgrade like BGS.

Promethius88 · 06-07-2021, 02:41 PM

Some amazing cards there and I'm guessing they are for your PC?

How hard is it going to be to crack those out and get them slabbed by someone else years down the road if/when you decide to sell them?

06-05-2021, 04:15 PM	#1
FunDragon Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Earth Posts: 1,715 KC_worldwide KCsportsCards	First HGA order back My first order to HGA after two try’s every week for about 3 weeks, finally land a number within 100. Really wanted to take full advantage of the moment, picked a few high value cards which I was hesitant to send to PSA or Beckett because of the high fees involved, these are very thick cards and are known to be tough grades on the corners and edges. Five cards each costing $35 each for a 30 day return. Was happy to get the Shipped email after about 40 days which was totally acceptable in today’s environment. Not knowing the grades before opening the box arrive bring extra excitement. Here are the results, was happy with it for sure. BTW all autos were graded 10’s which is shown on the back of the card, which my thoughts are if they can somehow squeeze into the front of the label would be better. (well, how about just the ones graded 10’s） First time I see these Slabs in person, I think I really like the looks of it. The Labels looks good too, if you pick the right templates. On Second thought, I think the Lebron in Irish uniform would look much better if the colors on the label match his team colors (Gold) You guys decide how fair these grades are, comparing to if they were done by the other big two. You comments positive & negative are welcome and appreciated

06-05-2021, 08:11 PM	#7
glen87 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: VERMONT Posts: 73,027 glen87 glen87	why are there so many different labels and especially the 8.0 and the 9.5 look the same. __________________ collecting James Madison University players of all sports JMU cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmucards/ other cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/glen87/albums

06-05-2021, 08:12 PM	#8
glen87 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: VERMONT Posts: 73,027 glen87 glen87	...oh and agree....how did that college get a 9.0 on edges??? __________________ collecting James Madison University players of all sports JMU cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmucards/ other cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/glen87/albums

06-06-2021, 08:02 AM	#13
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,109	Nice cards. Extremely generous averaging of the sub grades for three of the five. __________________ I love PSA!

06-07-2021, 01:05 PM	#24
TSonn Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,980 TSonnMI	For those wondering, HGA doesn't use the exact same scale as BGS. They allow the overall grade to be 1.0 point above the lowest subgrade (2.0 above if overall grade is lower than a 5 I believe) If a card has 2 lower subgrades (8.5s) but the rest of the subgrades bump the average above that subgrade (9.0), the overall grade will be the average, not lowest subgrade like BGS.

06-05-2021, 06:55 PM	#2
MarsAttacks Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 316	Nice cards! No way the black college Lebron should be a gem mint.

06-05-2021, 07:16 PM	#3
RetailHitsOnly Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 298	I think you may have some trouble selling the black lebron at gem mint prices if buyers notice the condition. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

06-05-2021, 08:07 PM	#6
PostBaloney Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 497	dang them some bangers

06-05-2021, 11:01 PM	#11
aggie4ever Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 6,775 aggie4ever	Some strange looking grades there... on the first Exquisite, there are two 8.5 subgrades, so I'm not sure how it got a 9 overall. And on the UD black, two 9.0 subgrades, but got a 9.5 overall. Looks like HGA just averaged out the subgrades... BUT also rounded up on those two.

06-06-2021, 06:45 AM	#12
The_Reverend Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 15,313 islubi	How is the LeBron Black a 9.5 with 2 9 grades? How is the exquisite and 8 with7 and 7,5 sub? 3 of those cards final grade makes absolutely no sense.

06-06-2021, 08:56 AM	#14
kabrune2 Banned Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1,360	That 4 auto’d Lebron/Bird/DrJ/Magic is freakin nice! 8 grade or not... having the label still look as nice as it does for an 8 is a big deal, white label BGS always drives me crazy.

06-06-2021, 01:45 PM	#15
RL 1953 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 969	HGA was very generous with the assigned grade's

06-06-2021, 03:46 PM	#17
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	Game Changing AI Grading!

06-07-2021, 02:41 PM	#25
Promethius88 Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 1,497	Some amazing cards there and I'm guessing they are for your PC? How hard is it going to be to crack those out and get them slabbed by someone else years down the road if/when you decide to sell them?