Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[1000 Sport Zonk]

Is the Siff Bo supposed to have a baseball helmet and football helmet mixed together on it? Is that the mass in the middle? And then a baseball bat being broken over the bridge of Bos Nose?

[BH34]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

they would make great $1 inserts

Upon conclusion of p70, instead of a very long flood of FAPs, I vote that topps should release artist complete sets as a 'packs' [10 cards for $20, 2 waves per?] on regular cardstock. Yes, some/many may complain, but I'd be a buyer for sure at that price point.

They can even topps that by making even more colored parallels and chase cards.

[Shinjoy]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Very boring Siff card for such a dynamic player.

It's more interesting/memorable to see him design a card instead of just scribbling over a player photo with really small print (Griffey, Gooden, Carew, Judge, etc). And, he doesn't try to do much or smush too much text in, like his Mays or Clemente.

Instead, he hits you with images that he associates with Bo: Raiders silver and black, Royals symbols, the bat breaking, a mixed baseball+football helmet, BO from Bo knows.

I don't love the Bo card, but he gives you Bo from the perspective of a 10-year old in 1990.

[Randallk34]

Originally Posted by BH34

Upon conclusion of p70, instead of a very long flood of FAPs, I vote that topps should release artist complete sets as a 'packs' [10 cards for $20, 2 waves per?] on regular cardstock. Yes, some/many may complain, but I'd be a buyer for sure at that price point.

They can even topps that by making even more colored parallels and chase cards.

So make buying these $20 base cards even more pointless?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by BH34

Upon conclusion of p70, instead of a very long flood of FAPs, I vote that topps should release artist complete sets as a 'packs' [10 cards for $20, 2 waves per?] on regular cardstock. Yes, some/many may complain, but I'd be a buyer for sure at that price point.

They can even topps that by making even more colored parallels and chase cards.

i like that idea

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by Shinjoy

It's more interesting/memorable to see him design a card instead of just scribbling over a player photo with really small print (Griffey, Gooden, Carew, Judge, etc). And, he doesn't try to do much or smush too much text in, like his Mays or Clemente.

Instead, he hits you with images that he associates with Bo: Raiders silver and black, Royals symbols, the bat breaking, a mixed baseball+football helmet, BO from Bo knows.

I don't love the Bo card, but he gives you Bo from the perspective of a 10-year old in 1990.

Agreed. I prefer these for sure. Would also like to see him get back to something like his Ripken, McGwire or Gwynn as well.

[eldustino]

If people like the Risk designs and the original cards he painted on, then good for them, they can be confident that they'll get 20 at this point.

Naturel is great at doing these cards but I don't need 20 of those and the player selection went awry for me.

I'm with supermanbrandon, the badass cards are the ones I want.

*not a set collector*

[Middies31985]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

damn, this picture makes the Gibson look worse, somehow

This is the one artist I am collecting and I felt pain as soon as I saw that Gibson.

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[BH34]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

So make buying these $20 base cards even more pointless?

I don't know if I'd use the word pointless, as these cards are clearly still desirable to dedicated collectors/fans.

The suggestion was based on thinking there are many people currently and already passing on these, myself included, that enjoy [some of] the art/artists, but are not willing/wanting to spend $20 per.

It should be undeniable that there is a market for these cards at a friendlier price point that is more in line with what the Project has become.

[Oliroller]

Originally Posted by Middies31985

This is the one artist I am collecting and I felt pain as soon as I saw that Gibson.

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The Styles set looks amazing together...….until you get to the Gibson card. Wonder how that will work for the poster?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by BH34

I don't know if I'd use the word pointless, as these cards are clearly still desirable to dedicated collectors/fans.

The suggestion was based on thinking there are many people currently and already passing on these, myself included, that enjoy [some of] the art/artists, but are not willing/wanting to spend $20 per.

It should be undeniable that there is a market for these cards at a friendlier price point that is more in line with what the Project has become.

I'm going to be pulling back as well. Looking at ebay sales, I can't justify spending 20 on something that goes for about 12. There is a really limited market for these now. In a way, adding the foils is I think what killed P70. People will buy a bunch to get a foil and then dump all the base cards causing their prices to plummet. Without the foils, the pr would be lower, but the cards probably would have retained more value. These are basically like new cars now, go through checkout and lose 33% of its value.

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by BH34

The suggestion was based on thinking there are many people currently and already passing on these, myself included, that enjoy [some of] the art/artists, but are not willing/wanting to spend $20 per.

Driving away your affluent clientele to appease your broke clientele is a risky business strategy.

[Randallk34]

Originally Posted by BH34

I don't know if I'd use the word pointless, as these cards are clearly still desirable to dedicated collectors/fans.

The suggestion was based on thinking there are many people currently and already passing on these, myself included, that enjoy [some of] the art/artists, but are not willing/wanting to spend $20 per.

It should be undeniable that there is a market for these cards at a friendlier price point that is more in line with what the Project has become.

I agree but if I do pay 20 bucks for say the Pete Alonso today and then topps releases the same card just on a different thinckness i'd be pissed. My card is pointless now. It's the same exact card other then thickness?

If topps does that they are literally spitting in eveyones face that they stole $20 dollars from.

If people had the choice right now to buy Todays Pete alonso card for $20 thick or Normal card for a fraction of the price, I'd be hard pressed to believe anyone is buying the thick card.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

I agree but if I do pay 20 bucks for say the Pete Alonso today and then topps releases the same card just on a different thinckness i'd be pissed. My card is pointless now. It's the same exact card other then thickness?

If topps does that they are literally spitting in eveyones face that they stole $20 dollars from.

If people had the choice right now to buy Todays Pete alonso card for $20 thick or Normal card for a fraction of the price, I'd be hard pressed to believe anyone is buying the thick card.

theyve been spitting on everyone with this years Project

[Oliroller]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

I agree but if I do pay 20 bucks for say the Pete Alonso today and then topps releases the same card just on a different thinckness i'd be pissed. My card is pointless now. It's the same exact card other then thickness?

If topps does that they are literally spitting in eveyones face that they stole $20 dollars from.

If people had the choice right now to buy Todays Pete alonso card for $20 thick or Normal card for a fraction of the price, I'd be hard pressed to believe anyone is buying the thick card.

Yet people paid $170+ tax for the same card with a silver frame and handwritten "1/51" on the back

[JRX]

These cards really don't need to be 130pt and in cases. Go look at the sold sales, most people would put them in 9 sleeve binders. They would actually look really nice in that format.

[BH34]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Driving away your affluent clientele to appease your broke clientele is a risky business strategy.

gif aside, in my suggestion, this release would only happen after topps has already milked all the $$ from the affluent (p70 release complete), then moving onto the poor.

[Shinjoy]

Originally Posted by cnote81

Agreed. I prefer these for sure. Would also like to see him get back to something like his Ripken, McGwire or Gwynn as well.

BO is pretty similar to Siff's McGwire, although obviously the Big Mac is a cooler and better-looking image than the weird football+baseball helmet.

[BH34]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

I agree but if I do pay 20 bucks for say the Pete Alonso today and then topps releases the same card just on a different thinckness i'd be pissed. My card is pointless now. It's the same exact card other then thickness?

If topps does that they are literally spitting in eveyones face that they stole $20 dollars from.

If people had the choice right now to buy Todays Pete alonso card for $20 thick or Normal card for a fraction of the price, I'd be hard pressed to believe anyone is buying the thick card.

I don't disagree.

The way I see it is that there are currently two tiers of product, the 'regular' card, and the APs for 7-8x.
People are willingly paying 7-8x for an 'upgraded' product.
So by releasing a regular cardstock version, the 130pt ones are now in the middle tier, vs the base/bottom tier.

Again, I don't disagree that people will be upset with a regular cardstock release. But that will be after they've already spent their money.

Topps told us during p2020 that there wont be another Project. We believed and continued to buy. They quickly released p70. Many were/are unhappy, but the money cannot be unspent.

It's been shown time and time again that topps cares wayyy more about money than customer satisfaction.

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by Shinjoy

It's more interesting/memorable to see him design a card instead of just scribbling over a player photo with really small print (Griffey, Gooden, Carew, Judge, etc). And, he doesn't try to do much or smush too much text in, like his Mays or Clemente.

Instead, he hits you with images that he associates with Bo: Raiders silver and black, Royals symbols, the bat breaking, a mixed baseball+football helmet, BO from Bo knows.

I don't love the Bo card, but he gives you Bo from the perspective of a 10-year old in 1990.

The better Siff cards are visually interesting even if I don't love the content. His Bo Jackson is just dull to look at for me.

I also don't like seeing terms like 'myth', 'legend', 'larger than life', 'superhero', 'untouchable' on a visual representation. It's telling you rather than showing you and feels glib.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by BH34

I don't disagree.

The way I see it is that there are currently two tiers of product, the 'regular' card, and the APs for 7-8x.
People are willingly paying 7-8x for an 'upgraded' product.
So by releasing a regular cardstock version, the 130pt ones are now in the middle tier, vs the base/bottom tier.

Again, I don't disagree that people will be upset with a regular cardstock release. But that will be after they've already spent their money.

Topps told us during p2020 that there wont be another Project. We believed and continued to buy. They quickly released p70. Many were/are unhappy, but the money cannot be unspent.

It's been shown time and time again that topps cares wayyy more about money than customer satisfaction.

If they released a regular card stock version they would go for $1 or less. I don't think the artists would be happy with their work being so cheap.

[Silas Barnaby]

Topps doesn't just want to sell you one art card, they want to continue selling you art cards for your entire life.

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by eldustino

If people like the Risk designs and the original cards he painted on, then good for them, they can be confident that they'll get 20 at this point.

Naturel is great at doing these cards but I don't need 20 of those and the player selection went awry for me.

I'm with supermanbrandon, the badass cards are the ones I want.

*not a set collector*

Naturel's sky background has gone full circle for me. I'm not convinced the final mural is worth it at this point. The design seems like a low risk, low reward proposition. The models are more detailed than his P2020 cards and the cards are nice looking in hand. But the chance for something spectacular like his Rickey seems a lot less likely now.

[msarg29]

Originally Posted by JRX

I'm going to be pulling back as well. Looking at ebay sales, I can't justify spending 20 on something that goes for about 12. There is a really limited market for these now. In a way, adding the foils is I think what killed P70. People will buy a bunch to get a foil and then dump all the base cards causing their prices to plummet. Without the foils, the pr would be lower, but the cards probably would have retained more value. These are basically like new cars now, go through checkout and lose 33% of its value.

I think you hit it right on the nose.

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by Shinjoy

BO is pretty similar to Siff's McGwire, although obviously the Big Mac is a cooler and better-looking image than the weird football+baseball helmet.

The visual impact on the McGwire is just more pleasing to me. The primary colors make my simple brain happy.