**The Perennial JUAN SOTO Thread!**

[NoWhammys2021]

Originally Posted by Neal

who bats after Trout? Ever? No one.

In any event, a US300 Gold sold for $2700 on myslabs. There is another for 3300 w/o any offers. Myslabs is not eBay, but it seems that many are losing faith. I still have some, but perhaps this modern market is really truly correcting itself.

I sold my black some time ago and have zero regret.

Let’s get one thing straight here (sarcasm) that manager guy Martinez was comparing Soto to Bonds in regards to “walks” or WIM+* rate (walking in Memphis rate) not pure hitting.

I think some people complain about walking too much, which isn’t possible, it’s that they want him to play like and swing like Acuna/tatis.

Also, he isn’t trout and needs someone behind him because he walks otherwise.


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[Rage]

Lineup should be

Trea
Juan
Schwarber

[Soxfanguy]

Should Nats trade him since they can’t seem to build a team around him?

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Should Nats trade him since they can’t seem to build a team around him?

Uh there was a lost season and now this year since rendons departure and they appear to be trying imo. Bell hasnt quite turned out to be a great pick up. But they are what 5-6 games back of the division lead? And soto hasn’t hit for power most the year. The nats team as a whole seems to be down in the power department. Id say they are hanging in there pretty good. Especially with both aces out.

Side note they have basically stopped having try to steal. (Although he didn’t have much success this year) Could be many theories but a slightly banged up shoulder could be an feasible explanation. He definitely looks faster and has no issues running down balls in right field.


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[BaseballKing]

Originally Posted by Snakeonia

Uh there was a lost season and now this year since rendons departure and they appear to be trying imo. Bell hasnt quite turned out to be a great pick up. But they are what 5-6 games back of the division lead? And soto hasn’t hit for power most the year. The nats team as a whole seems to be down in the power department. Id say they are hanging in there pretty good. Especially with both aces out.

Side note they have basically stopped having try to steal. (Although he didn’t have much success this year) Could be many theories but a slightly banged up shoulder could be an feasible explanation. He definitely looks faster and has no issues running down balls in right field.


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They've gone a nice little win streak despite the setbacks in personnel - Strasburg and Scherzer are critical for any chance at success.

If only Robles could contribute more offensively and if only Garcia and especially Kieboom could become permanent fixtures in the team they might have a sniff.

They are doing pretty well at the moment all things considered.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by BaseballKing

They've gone a nice little win streak despite the setbacks in personnel - Strasburg and Scherzer are critical for any chance at success.

If only Robles could contribute more offensively and if only Garcia and especially Kieboom could become permanent fixtures in the team they might have a sniff.

They are doing pretty well at the moment all things considered.

That’s the problem, though: Lots of “ifs” with their other young players. One would hope that Robles could be an effective leadoff hitter by this point, which would take some pressure off Soto, Turner, and Schwarber.

As it is, they need another bat, like a healthy-calf Josh Donaldson…which doesn’t exist, I know, but someone like that.


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[HarryLime]

There's definitely some people in here worried about Soto's value but, I mean, let's look at who those people are. They aren't any of the seasoned vets. It's people like the guy that came here to say that his '18 unopened was going to be worthless. It's overreaction city from inexperienced greenhorns.

Soto could turn his entire season stat line around 180 degrees in 3 weeks. In fact, with 2/3 the season left, I would wager that it's the more likely outcome than him maintaining this level of power all season long.

But, in the interest of full disclosure, I'm much, much more of a 'clector than a money man so I have a much longer view of him as a player.

Arthur

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

There's definitely some people in here worried about Soto's value but, I mean, let's look at who those people are. They aren't any of the seasoned vets. It's people like the guy that came here to say that his '18 unopened was going to be worthless. It's overreaction city from inexperienced greenhorns.

Soto could turn his entire season stat line around 180 degrees in 3 weeks. In fact, with 2/3 the season left, I would wager that it's the more likely outcome than him maintaining this level of power all season long.

But, in the interest of full disclosure, I'm much, much more of a 'clector than a money man so I have a much longer view of him as a player.

Arthur

So, imagine if he went on a 47-game stretch like the one he had in ‘20. Or, like so many players who have a rough first half, he gets a reset at the all-star break and tears it up in the second half.

Maybe he ends the season around .300/28/95, with a .975 OPS… In the grand scheme of things, not exactly a blight on his resume.


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[tconte]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

There's definitely some people in here worried about Soto's value but, I mean, let's look at who those people are. They aren't any of the seasoned vets. It's people like the guy that came here to say that his '18 unopened was going to be worthless. It's overreaction city from inexperienced greenhorns.

Soto could turn his entire season stat line around 180 degrees in 3 weeks. In fact, with 2/3 the season left, I would wager that it's the more likely outcome than him maintaining this level of power all season long.

But, in the interest of full disclosure, I'm much, much more of a 'clector than a money man so I have a much longer view of him as a player.

Arthur

Seasoned vet here! Lol! Raises hand!

Arthur,

My hope he is having a season like Mike Schmidt had in 1978 and it's a fluke
that he has no power this year. But 4 doubles and 8 homers stinks. Heck,
for comparison Albies has 21 doubles.

This guy has turned into Juan Ichiro. And that guy was a complete snooze
fest. I expected more from Juan.

My full disclosure though is that I have a couple pink Chromes I bought
from selling my US300's and HMT55's. I have three Sotos out for grading
that should be back in a year or two. Thank goodness I used the ultra
modern market to fuel my vintage cravings! I don't think I'm seasoned
enough to handle the poor season he is having.

I'm thinking his prices could be cut in at least another half
or more. If he falls out of hobby love it will be tough to recover.

I like the guy but so far he's been a huge disappointment. Fingers
crossed he turns it around and gets out of stinktown soon! I miss the
TBP pumping.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by tconte

Seasoned vet here! Lol! Raises hand!

Arthur,

My hope he is having a season like Mike Schmidt had in 1978 and it's a fluke
that he has no power this year. But 4 doubles and 8 homers stinks. Heck,
for comparison Albies has 21 doubles.

This guy has turned into Juan Ichiro. And that guy was a complete snooze
fest. I expected more from Juan.

My full disclosure though is that I have a couple pink Chromes I bought
from selling my US300's and HMT55's. I have three Sotos out for grading
that should be back in a year or two. Thank goodness I used the ultra
modern market to fuel my vintage cravings! I don't think I'm seasoned
enough to handle the poor season he is having.

I'm thinking his prices could be cut in at least another half
or more. If he falls out of hobby love it will be tough to recover.

I like the guy but so far he's been a huge disappointment. Fingers
crossed he turns it around and gets out of stinktown soon! I miss the
TBP pumping.

i see this Ichiro bashing a lot lately. i dont understand it

also, this is one season, he is 22 years old.

get back to me when he is 32

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i see this Ichiro bashing a lot lately. i dont understand it

also, this is one season, he is 22 years old.

get back to me when he is 32

I wasn’t in the hobby when Ichiro was big, but was Ichiro considered a “sexy” hobby player? Ichiro is obviously a great hitter, but that doesn’t always translate to hobby success it seems.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

I wasn’t in the hobby when Ichiro was big, but was Ichiro considered a “sexy” hobby player? Ichiro is obviously a great hitter, but that doesn’t always translate to hobby success it seems.

Yes he was. His story is unique though

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by tconte

Seasoned vet here! Lol! Raises hand!

Arthur,

My hope he is having a season like Mike Schmidt had in 1978 and it's a fluke
that he has no power this year. But 4 doubles and 8 homers stinks. Heck,
for comparison Albies has 21 doubles.

This guy has turned into Juan Ichiro. And that guy was a complete snooze
fest. I expected more from Juan.

My full disclosure though is that I have a couple pink Chromes I bought
from selling my US300's and HMT55's. I have three Sotos out for grading
that should be back in a year or two. Thank goodness I used the ultra
modern market to fuel my vintage cravings! I don't think I'm seasoned
enough to handle the poor season he is having.

I'm thinking his prices could be cut in at least another half
or more. If he falls out of hobby love it will be tough to recover.

I like the guy but so far he's been a huge disappointment. Fingers
crossed he turns it around and gets out of stinktown soon! I miss the
TBP pumping.

Hey brother!

I just think we're blowing less than 3 months way out of proportion. Even if he does stink up the joint for the rest of the season it will be an All-You-Can-Juan buffet in the offseason for me.

It's not like he's suddenly striking out or swinging and missing at everything. It's not like he's got some horrible approach at the plate. He's still going up, not chasing garbage, contacting with what he swings at, and taking his walks when the pitcher gives him nothing.

I mean, in some weird, upside-down way, this is kind of a positive thing. Every youngster gets hit with a drought at some point and coaches and managers always talk about looking to see how they handle it. Well, Juan isn't trying to be something he isn't to get out of this drought. He knows who he is, he has confidence in his abilities, and he knows his approach is the right one. Seems to me like he's just going to stay the course, knowing that he'll get out of it as oddly as he got in it. That's maturity WAY beyond his years.

Arthur

[HarryLime]

Ichiro was like Michael Jackson and Jesus Christ combined. The amount of foreign press when he was crushing it in the '00s was just City Hall, Downtown, Bananaland, USA.

Arthur

[lauriontj]

I just wish Juan Soto would win a World Series and batting title. Old age is setting in. He’s gonna be 23 soon. It’s over fellas. Rip.

[REGGIE206]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i see this Ichiro bashing a lot lately. i dont understand it

also, this is one season, he is 22 years old.

get back to me when he is 32

This. It’s a long season and hopefully a long career. He is only 22 years old.. some players don’t even reach the majors at that age. His home runs comes in bunches. Between June 1 to June 9, he hit 4 home runs in 8 games. His OBP is still hovering around .400.

Some people act like the season ends in June.. lol.

And if Juan Soto has a career anywhere close to Ichiro, it’s a “win”. Ichiro is an undeniable first ballot hall of famer, MVP, ROY, 10x Gold Glover, 10x All Star, achieved 200+ hits in his first 10 years in the majors, 2x batting champion, got over 3000 career hits, stolen over 500 bases, and has the most hits EVER in a single season record. He also had a career longer than most of your favorite players.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

is that a double?

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

I wasn’t in the hobby when Ichiro was big, but was Ichiro considered a “sexy” hobby player? Ichiro is obviously a great hitter, but that doesn’t always translate to hobby success it seems.

He and Pujols entered the league the same year and were basically a two-headed hobby monster—not unlike what we’ve seen the past few years. Except, these days it’s more of a five-headed monster.

(I should add that much of Ichiro’s market was/is driven by a big collector base in Japan.)


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Ichiro was like Michael Jackson and Jesus Christ combined. The amount of foreign press when he was crushing it in the '00s was just City Hall, Downtown, Bananaland, USA.

Arthur

Ha, I was going to say a combination of the Beatles and Michael Jordan. But yeah, he was quite the sensation.


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[LVDan]

And if Ichiro wanted to hit 30 hrs and sacrifice some avg he certainly could have. His BP was pretty ridiculous


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[REGGIE206]

Kyle Schwarber should be batting after Soto

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

is that a double?

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[tconte]

A double. I'm hoping I complain long enough he will go on a tear.

Then his cards will jump and I can sell. Then he can have a career like Ichiro.
I'll move the dollars on someone else!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by tconte

A double. I'm hoping I complain long enough he will go on a tear.

Then his cards will jump and I can sell. Then he can have a career like Ichiro.
I'll move the dollars on someone else!

doesnt sound like you have many to sell

[ThoseBackPages]

since this is the panic place, i am willing to go $40 on a 2018 TCU Soto PSA 9

DM me