✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Mister2Bits]

On one hand, I'm happy we have so many images, designs and cards to chose from for Ohtani in 2018. Anyone can jump in.

On the other hand, there are so many different cards that even his parallels shouldnt sell for what they should.

It's an interesting numbers game trying to figure out which RC collectors will prefer in the long run.

For flagship alone, there's the Team Set Hitting Variation, Series 2 700 + SP & SSP, Series 2 700 Complete Set Variation, Update US 1 + SP + SSP, Update US286, New Era Hat SP, and all the variations of those cards.

Not even counting Chrome, Ginter, Heritage, Bowman, Finest, etc...

At some point all of the variations of one card start to cannibalize all the other cards ability to increase in price because there are just too many other options to choose from.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

On one hand, I'm happy we have so many images, designs and cards to chose from for Ohtani in 2018. Anyone can jump in.

On the other hand, there are so many different cards that even his parallels shouldnt sell for what they should.

It's an interesting numbers game trying to figure out which RC collectors will prefer in the long run.

For flagship alone, there's the Team Set Hitting Variation, Series 2 700 + SP & SSP, Series 2 700 Complete Set Variation, Update US 1 + SP + SSP, Update US286, New Era Hat SP, and all the variations of those cards.

Not even counting Chrome, Ginter, Heritage, Bowman, Finest, etc...

At some point all of the variations of one card start to cannibalize all the other cards ability to increase in price because there are just too many other options to choose from.

Ohtani Master Set shows 573 cards when you search "2018 Topps" so yes, they got every ounce of cards out of his name. 1,275 cards when you expand to just "2018."

[imbluestreak23]

It's over Johnny

[waxxius]

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[HarryLime]

In fairness, I use hyperbole the way other artists use paints and clays, but I can't think of a single 2018 Ohtani card that is overpriced right now. I might even go so far as to say that they're all underpriced.

We're lucky in that, right now, we're experiencing market backlash to the past 18 months (I have no desire to get into a discussion about the two dozen reasons for such a thing) so everything is very tempered. At the same time, we could very well be witnessing one of the greatest individual performance seasons in the history of baseball (just 1/3 in so I totally just jinxed it).

If Ohtani stays healthy and stays the course, it doesn't matter if it doesn't happen until the end of this season, the offseason, or next season, there WILL be a reckoning on Ohtani RCs and these prices will look like a Mariah Carey Playboy spread.

Don't act with haste. Think carefully. But make decisive moves when you do act.

Arthur

[imbluestreak23]

2018 wax is pretty great. I don't have any, but congrats to those that do

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by waxxius

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Yes. That is what I'm talking about. Outstanding.

Arthur

[kabrune2]

I have these 2 that I spent less than $500 on last year, plus a 2018 Triple Threads White Whale 2-Way Star Auto Triple Relic at grading.

I get what you’re saying Arthur, but with these 2 plus the 1 at grading, at what point would you sell, Ohtani is just 1/3 the way into this year, only made 1/4 way into 2018, had a decent year as a hitter in 2019, disappeared last year. This is a long way of saying he hasn’t even done 2-way for a full year in his career yet. I’ll probably sell one just to hedge, it’ll cover all 3 cards purchase prices + fees + probably make an extra $1000. I’m just Gun shy of all the 2018 choices + what if he can’t keep it up for 5 years, much less 10?



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[imbluestreak23]

All I know is, Tatis and Vlad BC Gold Auto BGS 9.5s are right at $40K

That's more than a BC Orange Ohtani. High end in certain spots has plenty of room to climb. Given the rarity of these parallels, as supply continues to dwindle into collector hands the prices will continue to move upwards IMO.

All assuming Ohtani performs as he is doing.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

All I know is, Tatis and Vlad BC Gold Auto BGS 9.5s are right at $40K

That's more than a BC Orange Ohtani. High end in certain spots has plenty of room to climb. Given the rarity of these parallels, as supply continues to dwindle into collector hands the prices will continue to move upwards IMO.

All assuming Ohtani performs as he is doing.

Agree. Anyone selling Ohtani's Bowman 1st (pitching) needs to reconsider. Cream rises to the top and Bowman 1st is still king.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by kabrune2

I have these 2 that I spent less than $500 on last year, plus a 2018 Triple Threads White Whale 2-Way Star Auto Triple Relic at grading.

I get what you’re saying Arthur, but with these 2 plus the 1 at grading, at what point would you sell, Ohtani is just 1/3 the way into this year, only made 1/4 way into 2018, had a decent year as a hitter in 2019, disappeared last year. This is a long way of saying he hasn’t even done 2-way for a full year in his career yet. I’ll probably sell one just to hedge, it’ll cover all 3 cards purchase prices + fees + probably make an extra $1000. I’m just Gun shy of all the 2018 choices + what if he can’t keep it up for 5 years, much less 10?



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You don't need to hold for 5 or 10 years. But I think what he's doing this season is worth the roll of the injury dice. I mean, I've talked to a lot of smart people who risk a lot of extremely large sums of money on a frequent basis and they shrug off the whole "injury prone" thing. They're all about calculations and predictive information and they don't believe there's anything to the whole "injury prone" thing that gets talked about a lot.

Mostly because, if you get labeled as being "injury prone," nobody comes back 4-5 years later after you haven't had an injury and fires up a huge conversation about "Well, I guess they weren't injury prone."

It's a conversation that you only ever hear one side of. There's just as much a chance that a player who has never been injured gets injured. You can't factor injury into future performance.

[cue all the times somebody wagered big on someone getting injured in the future and it paid off so IN MY FACE]

Arthur

[NYRE2PECT]

Player of the Week...

...prelude to the Player of the Year.

[seanrs1]

For those that have been collecting for awhile what do you guys (or gals) think of Ohtani online exclusive cards like Topps now, Topps on demand, throwback Thursday, etc? These cards by design have lower print runs, but don't seem to be that popular (except amongst the collectors that want one of every RC). Worth picking up at the right price?

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

For those that have been collecting for awhile what do you guys (or gals) think of Ohtani online exclusive cards like Topps now, Topps on demand, throwback Thursday, etc? These cards by design have lower print runs, but don't seem to be that popular (except amongst the collectors that want one of every RC). Worth picking up at the right price?

I own a whole run of slabbed 2018 Topps Now Ohtani cards, but I honestly wouldn't go after these unless it's pure PC. Even an Acuna 1st Topps Now RC auto only goes for like ~3-400. There just isn't the right hobby interest.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I own a whole run of slabbed 2018 Topps Now Ohtani cards, but I honestly wouldn't go after these unless it's pure PC. Even an Acuna 1st Topps Now RC auto only goes for like ~3-400. There just isn't the right hobby interest.

Maybe I should have asked this question before I bought! I just bought a ton of raw for less than $10 card! Well, at least I will enjoy them on this amazing run of his!!! Trueblue, in your opinion is that an over pay for topps now, topps on demand and throwback thursday? They seem to go for more on Ebay and are priced much higher on COMC.

[eliseomo]

So with all this Ohtanimania going on, I decided to look for my stash of his cards and found this nice Triple Threads. I don't see any on eBay and have no idea of its price.

Does anyone knows for how much these go and did they make these out of /99, /75, /50, etc? I was interested in buying the other numbered versions but haven't seen one yet.

[Trueblue]

Packing things up for a move and found these in a box. Would be open to trade up for an auto if any one is interested. Trying to consolidate.

[BaseballKing]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Packing things up for a move and found these in a box. Would be open to trade up for an auto if any one is interested. Trying to consolidate.

I'd prefer numbered/sp over an auto. Vintage stock, sp, ssp. I think you'd want a decent auto for that haul. Really nice lot.

[BaseballKing]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

On one hand, I'm happy we have so many images, designs and cards to chose from for Ohtani in 2018. Anyone can jump in.

On the other hand, there are so many different cards that even his parallels shouldnt sell for what they should.

It's an interesting numbers game trying to figure out which RC collectors will prefer in the long run.

For flagship alone, there's the Team Set Hitting Variation, Series 2 700 + SP & SSP, Series 2 700 Complete Set Variation, Update US 1 + SP + SSP, Update US286, New Era Hat SP, and all the variations of those cards.

Not even counting Chrome, Ginter, Heritage, Bowman, Finest, etc...

At some point all of the variations of one card start to cannibalize all the other cards ability to increase in price because there are just too many other options to choose from.

I disagree with that.

I think the 2018 Bowman Chrome rookie auto( pitching) will always be his go to card. For non-autos:

Topps Chrome Parallels
Flagship Parallels/SP/SSP
Bowman Chrome parallels
Bowman paper parallels
Take your pick after that.

As far as base:

Bowman Chrome
Topps Chrome
Topps Series 2

[BaseballKing]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Maybe I should have asked this question before I bought! I just bought a ton of raw for less than $10 card! Well, at least I will enjoy them on this amazing run of his!!! Trueblue, in your opinion is that an over pay for topps now, topps on demand and throwback thursday? They seem to go for more on Ebay and are priced much higher on COMC.

I'm a fan of the player's 'first' Topps Now Card. For Ohtani batting it's the card( forgot the number) where he collects his first hit and for pitching it's his first win. I think those two cards have some upside.

[BaseballKing]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

So with all this Ohtanimania going on, I decided to look for my stash of his cards and found this nice Triple Threads. I don't see any on eBay and have no idea of its price.

Does anyone knows for how much these go and did they make these out of /99, /75, /50, etc? I was interested in buying the other numbered versions but haven't seen one yet.

What year is it?

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Packing things up for a move and found these in a box. Would be open to trade up for an auto if any one is interested. Trying to consolidate.

Dude - found them in a box - unreal.

[shamcat]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Packing things up for a move and found these in a box. Would be open to trade up for an auto if any one is interested. Trying to consolidate.

Nice stash there!

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[BBases31]

There's a 2018 Panini Ohtani 1/1 Double Patch Auto in the current Goldin auction. Very interested to see how high can go. With Goldin getting the eyes of all the high end basketball/football buyers, that card can go way higher than expected since that crowd likely doesn't know or care how disliked Panini is in the baseball world nor that an "RPA" card isn't a thing in baseball.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by BBases31

There's a 2018 Panini Ohtani 1/1 Double Patch Auto in the current Goldin auction. Very interested to see how high can go. With Goldin getting the eyes of all the high end basketball/football buyers, that card can go way higher than expected since that crowd likely doesn't know or care how disliked Panini is in the baseball world nor that an "RPA" card isn't a thing in baseball.

Stupid basketball/football dum-dums.

Arthur