What happened to 2019 Tatis Heritage?

GoNYGoNYGo · 03-17-2020, 09:28 AM

Hey - I have been looking to pick up a few Tatis base heritage PSA 10's lately and I realized there don't seem to be that many of them out there. Which led me to look at the PSA Pop Report for 2019 Heritage and Tatis is definitely a little bit of an outlier - I was just wondering what happened here? I didn't really open much Heritage High Number but is it known that the Tatis was butchered?

Total Heritage 2019 Population - 16,653 Graded - 75.46% Gem - 22.84% Mint
Hiura - 90.45% Gem - 9.09% Mint
Eloy - 86.10% Gem - 13.36% Mint
Vlad - 88.16% Gem - 11.35% Mint
Alonso - Also a big drop - 66.14% Gem - 27.84% Mint

But then when you look at Tatis it just gets weird in my opinion.

Tatis - 2,167 graded - only 37.66% Gem and 60.64% Mint.

ClevelandIC · 03-17-2020, 09:35 AM

Majority of the ones I have seen are OC. I have looked at about 25 or so of them, submitted two. (Gem'd both)

premium1981 · 03-17-2020, 09:36 AM

If I remember correctly one of the edges was cut with was appeared to be a dull blade. I opened several cases of hobby as well as some retail. It was a problem across the board on Tatis.

bedf78 · 03-17-2020, 09:41 AM

Most also have print lines across his chest (barely noticeable unless you are looking for it). I noticed this several months ago after sending in 4 to PSA that looked like a gems to me but all came back as 9s. I then proceeded to buy a 25 PSA 10s from eBay figuring they'd eventually jump once everyone caught on.

GoNYGoNYGo · 03-17-2020, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandIC

Majority of the ones I have seen are OC. I have looked at about 25 or so of them, submitted two. (Gem'd both)

Quote:

Originally Posted by premium1981

If I remember correctly one of the edges was cut with was appeared to be a dull blade. I opened several cases of hobby as well as some retail. It was a problem across the board on Tatis.

Thanks guys that is good to know! Sucks when that happens to such a big name player in the set!

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedf78

Most also have print lines across his chest (barely noticeable unless you are looking for it). I noticed this several months ago after sending in 4 to PSA that looked like a gems to me but all came back as 9s. I then proceeded to buy a 25 PSA 10s from eBay figuring they'd eventually jump once everyone caught on.

Yeah I feel like with this knowledge both 10's at around 35-40 a pop and even 9's at 7-8 each seem like really good values. Good buy on the 25 10's that is a nice little stash!

mcpheely · 03-17-2020, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedf78

Most also have print lines across his chest (barely noticeable unless you are looking for it). I noticed this several months ago after sending in 4 to PSA that looked like a gems to me but all came back as 9s. I then proceeded to buy a 25 PSA 10s from eBay figuring they'd eventually jump once everyone caught on.

This is 100% accurate. It's there on NO LESS than 90% of the Tatis cards.

jayjones82 · 03-17-2020, 09:56 AM

Are we ready to call 2019 Heritage Tatis PSA 10 a sleeper that'll bounce once people understand the "rarity" of the 10 (assuming his production continues)? I am.

bedf78 · 03-17-2020, 10:45 AM

I am willing to trade a chunk of mine if anyone is interested: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1357690

HarryLime · 03-17-2020, 10:55 AM

FOMO will push it up, for sure. But Heritage ≠ Flagship is a huge hurdle to get over. I can't think of any big Heritage rookie for precedence. I'm not saying it makes sense, just that it is what it is.

Arthur

KhalDrogo · 03-17-2020, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedf78

Most also have print lines across his chest (barely noticeable unless you are looking for it). I noticed this several months ago after sending in 4 to PSA that looked like a gems to me but all came back as 9s. I then proceeded to buy a 25 PSA 10s from eBay figuring they'd eventually jump once everyone caught on.

This was the issue for the half dozen I have.

GoNYGoNYGo · 03-17-2020, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayjones82

Are we ready to call 2019 Heritage Tatis PSA 10 a sleeper that'll bounce once people understand the "rarity" of the 10 (assuming his production continues)? I am.

I definitely think as people realize this it will go up in value.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryLime

FOMO will push it up, for sure. But Heritage ≠ Flagship is a huge hurdle to get over. I can't think of any big Heritage rookie for precedence. I'm not saying it makes sense, just that it is what it is.

Arthur

I don't think no matter how tough of a grade it is it will ever compare to a Series 2 10. I just think because of how scarce it is there is a larger room for increase if he becomes an MVP candidate (which I know isn't a given) it feels like the it heritage rc to have is usually the action variation. I haven't looked but I wonder if Tatis Action has the same issue as Tatis base?

bedf78 · 03-17-2020, 11:03 AM

The Action version does not have the same issue. Also agree it will never be the same as the S2 flagship, but could be a very solid #2 base RC.

bedf78 · 03-17-2020, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcpheely

This is 100% accurate. It's there on NO LESS than 90% of the Tatis cards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

This was the issue for the half dozen I have.

I just sat down with all 25 PSA 10s I have under a bright light and 24 of them had the line. It's not noticeable unless you hold them under a light at a certain angle, but it was there for 24 of 25. Who the hell knows how they are differentiating between 9s and 10s. The 10 or so raw I have also have the line.

bedf78 · 06-23-2021, 10:00 AM

Just looked at the POP report again for the first time and the Gem rate went down (~43% in March 2020, v. ~30% now). Now 6,010 graded with 1,819 10s. The grading of this specific card seems to be extremely inconsistent. I have owned ~30 different Gems at one point or another, all but one had the print line issue, so some are squeaking by despite that. I also submitted several that were pristine other than the print line and got 9s, only to crack, resubmit and get 10s (despite the gem rate going down overtime). As someone who got back into the hobby in 2019, this specific card really turned me off to TPGs. In fact the only graded card I still own is the single Gem I found without the print line issue, figuring it could be desirable down the road.

HarryLime · 06-23-2021, 10:09 AM

Would someone mind posting an image with where the print line is located? I need to check my stash.

Arthur

SupermanBrandon · 06-23-2021, 10:11 AM

I remember going thru 75 or more raws of these. Didn't send a single 1 in for grading.

bedf78 · 06-23-2021, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I remember going thru 75 or more raws of these. Didn't send a single 1 in for grading.

Due to the print line, or something else?

SupermanBrandon · 06-23-2021, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedf78

Due to the print line, or something else?

some print lines but edges mainly, if I remember correctly.

kabrune2 · 06-23-2021, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedf78

I just sat down with all 25 PSA 10s I have under a bright light and 24 of them had the line. It's not noticeable unless you hold them under a light at a certain angle, but it was there for 24 of 25. Who the hell knows how they are differentiating between 9s and 10s. The 10 or so raw I have also have the line.

Anything Tatis that was sent into PSA in the last 12 months definitely got hit with pop control and I’m betting PSA deemed any newly graded Tatis a 9 if the line was there. Most Vlad/Eloy/Keston were already graded 1+ years ago, whereas Tatis stayed hot and people kept sending them in, and PSA said no more 10’s if it has the line. I sent in 15 and 12 came back 9’s with 3 10’s, didn’t know about the line till after the fact.

bedf78 · 06-23-2021, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kabrune2

Anything Tatis that was sent into PSA in the last 12 months definitely got hit with pop control and I’m betting PSA deemed any newly graded Tatis a 9 if the line was there. Most Vlad/Eloy/Keston were already graded 1+ years ago, whereas Tatis stayed hot and people kept sending them in, and PSA said no more 10’s if it has the line. I sent in 15 and 12 came back 9’s with 3 10’s, didn’t know about the line till after the fact.

Did your 10s have the line? I was surprised that all but one of the ~30 10s I've owned had the line (I've only ever seen the one without the line).

kabrune2 · 06-23-2021, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedf78

Did your 10s have the line? I was surprised that all but one of the ~30 10s I've owned had the line (I've only ever seen the one without the line).

No, the 3 10’s I have are clean, they are #’d 537xxxxxx. I’d be curious to see the %’s of 10’s vs 9’s for seriel #’s in the low 400xxxxx’s vs low 500xxxxx’s.

jhssketchcards · 06-23-2021, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryLime

FOMO will push it up, for sure. But Heritage ≠ Flagship is a huge hurdle to get over. I can't think of any big Heritage rookie for precedence. I'm not saying it makes sense, just that it is what it is.

Arthur

Jacob deGrom, Jose Ramirez and Mookie Betts all from 2014 HHN.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Bassman2014 · 06-23-2021, 12:28 PM

I submitted 11 or 12 last August and all of them came back 9's, not sure why, they all looked like 10's. No centering issues, sharp corners under magnification. Put them through the same checks as every other card I sent in. Same thing happened with Gleyber 2018 HHN, 10 sent in all 9's returned. Sent in the same amount of Acuna's and Soto's and most came back 10's even a few with obvious centering issues that I was just hoping for a 9 out of.

mikeex0114 · 06-23-2021, 12:30 PM

Majority of mine had the line, so never sent any in.

Bambino22 · 06-23-2021, 12:51 PM

This drove me crazy with Sapphire and Bobby Witt centering when I broke a Sapphire box to try and pull his card only to see how bad it was centered compared to all the other cards.. Does Topps ever disclose quality issues of big names in the product directly so we know to devalue the box price? Or is their a website or forum thread where they are posted?

03-17-2020, 09:28 AM	#1
GoNYGoNYGo Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Norfolk MA Posts: 3,316	What happened to 2019 Tatis Heritage? Hey - I have been looking to pick up a few Tatis base heritage PSA 10's lately and I realized there don't seem to be that many of them out there. Which led me to look at the PSA Pop Report for 2019 Heritage and Tatis is definitely a little bit of an outlier - I was just wondering what happened here? I didn't really open much Heritage High Number but is it known that the Tatis was butchered? Total Heritage 2019 Population - 16,653 Graded - 75.46% Gem - 22.84% Mint Hiura - 90.45% Gem - 9.09% Mint Eloy - 86.10% Gem - 13.36% Mint Vlad - 88.16% Gem - 11.35% Mint Alonso - Also a big drop - 66.14% Gem - 27.84% Mint But then when you look at Tatis it just gets weird in my opinion. Tatis - 2,167 graded - only 37.66% Gem and 60.64% Mint.

03-17-2020, 10:45 AM	#8
bedf78 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 264	I am willing to trade a chunk of mine if anyone is interested: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1357690 Last edited by bedf78; 03-17-2020 at 10:47 AM.

06-23-2021, 12:28 PM	#23
Bassman2014 Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,066 bassin2007	I submitted 11 or 12 last August and all of them came back 9's, not sure why, they all looked like 10's. No centering issues, sharp corners under magnification. Put them through the same checks as every other card I sent in. Same thing happened with Gleyber 2018 HHN, 10 sent in all 9's returned. Sent in the same amount of Acuna's and Soto's and most came back 10's even a few with obvious centering issues that I was just hoping for a 9 out of. __________________ Looking for 2015 Topps Tek to complete the set. Blades (Javier Baez), Chains (Sandy Koufax)

06-23-2021, 12:30 PM	#24
mikeex0114 Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: CT Posts: 968 mvb_sports Mikeex9521	Majority of mine had the line, so never sent any in. __________________ IG MVBsportscards

03-17-2020, 09:35 AM	#2
ClevelandIC Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Westlake, Ohio Posts: 5,499 Jakpi20 Jakpi20	Majority of the ones I have seen are OC. I have looked at about 25 or so of them, submitted two. (Gem'd both) __________________ Always buying GU/Autos to resell to Blowout. Would love to add them to any deal we do so please let me know what you have!

03-17-2020, 09:36 AM	#3
premium1981 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,612	If I remember correctly one of the edges was cut with was appeared to be a dull blade. I opened several cases of hobby as well as some retail. It was a problem across the board on Tatis.

03-17-2020, 09:41 AM	#4
bedf78 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 264	Most also have print lines across his chest (barely noticeable unless you are looking for it). I noticed this several months ago after sending in 4 to PSA that looked like a gems to me but all came back as 9s. I then proceeded to buy a 25 PSA 10s from eBay figuring they'd eventually jump once everyone caught on.

03-17-2020, 09:56 AM	#7
jayjones82 Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: GA to Germany to TX Posts: 3,496	Are we ready to call 2019 Heritage Tatis PSA 10 a sleeper that'll bounce once people understand the "rarity" of the 10 (assuming his production continues)? I am.

03-17-2020, 10:55 AM	#9
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	FOMO will push it up, for sure. But Heritage ≠ Flagship is a huge hurdle to get over. I can't think of any big Heritage rookie for precedence. I'm not saying it makes sense, just that it is what it is. Arthur

03-17-2020, 11:03 AM	#12
bedf78 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 264	The Action version does not have the same issue. Also agree it will never be the same as the S2 flagship, but could be a very solid #2 base RC.

06-23-2021, 10:00 AM	#14
bedf78 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 264	Just looked at the POP report again for the first time and the Gem rate went down (~43% in March 2020, v. ~30% now). Now 6,010 graded with 1,819 10s. The grading of this specific card seems to be extremely inconsistent. I have owned ~30 different Gems at one point or another, all but one had the print line issue, so some are squeaking by despite that. I also submitted several that were pristine other than the print line and got 9s, only to crack, resubmit and get 10s (despite the gem rate going down overtime). As someone who got back into the hobby in 2019, this specific card really turned me off to TPGs. In fact the only graded card I still own is the single Gem I found without the print line issue, figuring it could be desirable down the road.

06-23-2021, 10:09 AM	#15
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	Would someone mind posting an image with where the print line is located? I need to check my stash. Arthur

06-23-2021, 10:11 AM	#16
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	I remember going thru 75 or more raws of these. Didn't send a single 1 in for grading.

06-23-2021, 12:51 PM	#25
Bambino22 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: NoVA Posts: 2,611	This drove me crazy with Sapphire and Bobby Witt centering when I broke a Sapphire box to try and pull his card only to see how bad it was centered compared to all the other cards.. Does Topps ever disclose quality issues of big names in the product directly so we know to devalue the box price? Or is their a website or forum thread where they are posted?