Return Warrented? - Page 2

omega145 · 06-23-2021, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

I've bought raw cards this expensive before, but I've never purchased a raw card this expensive from a *NEW* product. Expectation when seller lists as MINT and product is new, card should be MINT.

Picture in the listing shows the corner with glare/bad angle at best, white corner at worst. NOT a chunk taken out of the corner.

You've bought cards shown in a sleeve and holder with poor pictures expecting them to actually be mint?

Bosoxfan5990 · 06-23-2021, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by omega145

You've bought cards shown in a sleeve and holder with poor pictures expecting them to actually be mint?

Not sure why you're trying to make me out to be the bad guy here? On eBay, onus is on the seller to accurately represent the card they are selling.

Grid · 06-23-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KevJo

If I was spending that amount of money looking at the photo he posted, to me, there is something clearly wrong with that corner. Not sure why you would not ask before purchasing. But if he listed it as Mint and accepts returns, I would return it. He knew the corner had that damage, I would never list a card with that corner as Mint. Next time you see an issue like that, do your due diligence.

Kevin

As a buyer, I should not have to badger the seller with questions and concerns, that aren't clearly addressed in the listings.

If anything, I find I get labeled a nuisance, and the seller just blocks me due to me messaging them with concerns or simple questions, like asking for more pics or more details.

It shouldn't be on me to find fault in what they are selling. They should tell me of any issues when they list.

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Originally Posted by omega145

You've bought cards shown in a sleeve and holder with poor pictures expecting them to actually be mint?

No need to be a prick. They bought a card, that didn't clearly show any damage. From a seller who listed it as "Mint" in the title, the description and in the stats field.

Bosoxfan5990 · 06-23-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Grid

As a buyer, I should not have to badger the seller with questions and concerns, that aren't clearly addressed in the listings.

If anything, I find I get labeled a nuisance, and the seller just blocks me due to me messaging them with concerns or simple questions, like asking for more pics or more details.

It shouldn't be on me to find fault in what they are selling. They should tell me of any issues when they list.

No need to be a prick. They bought a card, that didn't clearly show any damage. From a seller who listed it as "Mint" in the title, the description and in the stats field.

Thank you.

49ersSF · 06-23-2021, 02:57 PM

When you list it as "mint" it had better be mint. Simple as that. get your money back.

hche · 06-23-2021, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 49ersSF

When you list it as "mint" it had better be mint. Simple as that. get your money back.

^ This. It is on the seller if he misrepresented the condition of the card. Never put mint.

Bosoxfan5990 · 06-23-2021, 03:52 PM

At this point, it doesn't appear the seller is going to accept the return without eBay stepping in. They've also accused me of damaging the card more myself because I took it out of the toploader and penny sleeve (how else am I supposed to inspect a card)?

eBay steps in tomorrow. Buckle up.

jamcas997 · 06-23-2021, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Not sure why you're trying to make me out to be the bad guy here? On eBay, onus is on the seller to accurately represent the card they are selling.

While this is true maybe your eagle eye vision is better than the sellers who may not have seen it.

Maybe you should have spent the money for a graded one instead of a raw one.

Bosoxfan5990 · 06-23-2021, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jamcas997

While this is true maybe your eagle eye vision is better than the sellers who may not have seen it.

Maybe you should have spent the money for a graded one instead of a raw one.

I know this is somewhat sarcasm, but there are none currently graded (at least at PSA) because of the price hike.

EDMTunesCollect · 06-23-2021, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jamcas997

Maybe you should have spent the money for a graded one instead of a raw one.

Card clearly has damage on that corner and definitely warrants a return, this statement just doesn't apply to this situation.

JeffG1954 · 06-23-2021, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

At this point, it doesn't appear the seller is going to accept the return without eBay stepping in. They've also accused me of damaging the card more myself because I took it out of the toploader and penny sleeve (how else am I supposed to inspect a card)?

eBay steps in tomorrow. Buckle up.

If I was paying that much for a card, I would have asked the seller for pictures out of the top loader and sleeve, but would have asked prior to making the purchase. Why?....as you said, how else are you supposed to inspect a card?

timfsu2k · 06-23-2021, 07:32 PM

Bottom line is the seller described the card as mint and it is not mint. End of story, end of thread. Ebay will force the return if you filed as INAD. You'll have your money back as soon as the card is delivered back to the seller. Do not communicate with the seller outside of the claim from this point forward.

Saraste · 06-23-2021, 08:01 PM

^^^ I am in complete agreement. Let ebay do their thing and do not say anything else to the seller. You will get your money back.

omega145 · 06-24-2021, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffG1954

If I was paying that much for a card, I would have asked the seller for pictures out of the top loader and sleeve, but would have asked prior to making the purchase. Why?....as you said, how else are you supposed to inspect a card?

Agreed, paying $600 for 1 card without clear pics and only 2 pics in a top holder and sleeve is nuts to me and some responsibility should fall on the buyer for just accepting "mint" in the description. That's why cards go for more on eBay that say PSA10 tend to go for more when a majority are no where near that.

EAHOOPER · 06-24-2021, 07:09 AM

If you are forking over that kind of money on a single card and you are looking for something that is "mint" you should inspect the pictures that were uploaded more closely. Even my untrained eye can see that there is a non perfect corner in the picture.

Let eBay do their thing but this is on the buyer as much as its on the seller.

jcardstore · 06-24-2021, 08:04 AM

I don’t understand people blaming the buyer. It’s on the seller to correctly describe the card including any damage and they did not.

Had the buyer asked for better pics the seller would have most likely ignored the message anyways. The buyer shouldn’t have to ask for a million pics at different angles special lighting… etc

Bosoxfan5990 · 06-24-2021, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EAHOOPER

If you are forking over that kind of money on a single card and you are looking for something that is "mint" you should inspect the pictures that were uploaded more closely. Even my untrained eye can see that there is a non perfect corner in the picture.

Let eBay do their thing but this is on the buyer as much as its on the seller.

A white corner is one thing. White corners can still be MINT (I just bought a slabbed MINT Trae Young last week with a white corner). This corner has a gash/chunk missing which you can't see in the listing pics.

Bosoxfan5990 · 06-24-2021, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

I don’t understand people blaming the buyer. It’s on the seller to correctly describe the card including any damage and they did not.

Had the buyer asked for better pics the seller would have most likely ignored the message anyways. The buyer shouldn’t have to ask for a million pics at different angles special lighting… etc

This. Thank you.

Bosoxfan5990 · 06-24-2021, 08:38 AM

FYI - eBay ruled in my favor and I'll be sending the card back today.

omega145 · 06-24-2021, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by EAHOOPER

Let eBay do their thing but this is on the buyer as much as its on the seller.

Pretty much. Buyer should be doing their due diligence.

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

I don’t understand people blaming the buyer. It’s on the seller to correctly describe the card including any damage and they did not.

Had the buyer asked for better pics the seller would have most likely ignored the message anyways. The buyer shouldn’t have to ask for a million pics at different angles special lighting… etc

Isn't grading subjective? If the buyer wants a "mint" card then the buyer should be checking the pictures or asking for more if they are unsure which the buyer admitted that he was even saying that a card needs to be out of the sleeve/top loader to be inspected properly. So he bought it while being unsure and just taking the sellers word. What if the seller genuinely believe it was mint and is terrible at grading? While I do blame the seller here, I wouldn't say that the buyer has no responsibility in this. Asking for more pictures and the seller choosing to ignore you or block you from bidding on the auction is a good sign to not buy from that person and I consider that dodging a bullet. You don't need to ask for a million pictures. He could've simply said to send him a couple of pictures not in the sleeve because he had trouble seeing the actual condition. If the seller chooses to ignore the buyer then so be it. It's happened to me and I just move on which some buyers need to realize more often. Not every deal is worth it nor is every seller worth dealing with.

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

FYI - eBay ruled in my favor and I'll be sending the card back today.

eBay almost always rules in favor of the buyer so no surprise here.

tonedef2oo8 · 06-24-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

FYI - eBay ruled in my favor and I'll be sending the card back today.

That means nothing, they always rule in the buyers favor even when they are wrong.

Bosoxfan5990 · 06-24-2021, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

That means nothing, they always rule in the buyers favor even when they are wrong.

jamcas997 · 06-24-2021, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mikecala98

Why would you not ask before bidding $600+???

Also, looks shilled. Second place bidder with 1 feedback and 95% activity with the seller.

I would say the same why bid that much with a very clear corner ding / chip . whiting?

jamcas997 · 06-24-2021, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

I know this is somewhat sarcasm, but there are none currently graded (at least at PSA) because of the price hike.

Also why would you spend that much with such an inexperienced seller ? 36 Feedback I would not have bid at all.

Bosoxfan5990 · 06-24-2021, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jamcas997

Also why would you spend that much with such an inexperienced seller ? 36 Feedback I would not have bid at all.

Everyone starts somewhere, and lower feedback sellers often have items go for lower than expected due to this exact mentality.

06-23-2021, 02:57 PM	#30
49ersSF Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: San Francisco Posts: 4,018	When you list it as "mint" it had better be mint. Simple as that. get your money back. __________________ They see what they have been told to see.

06-23-2021, 07:32 PM	#37
timfsu2k Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 2,578	Bottom line is the seller described the card as mint and it is not mint. End of story, end of thread. Ebay will force the return if you filed as INAD. You'll have your money back as soon as the card is delivered back to the seller. Do not communicate with the seller outside of the claim from this point forward. __________________ Nolan Ryan Collector

06-23-2021, 08:01 PM	#38
Saraste Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Sound Asleep Posts: 19,331 kesscards	^^^ I am in complete agreement. Let ebay do their thing and do not say anything else to the seller. You will get your money back. __________________ The strange looks I get from customers at shows when they are selling and I ask for NASCAR! Which is the most accurate voice to read posts in: Saraste as a corpse - oldgoldy97 12/19/23

06-24-2021, 08:04 AM	#41
jcardstore Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 22,002 Jcardstore	I don’t understand people blaming the buyer. It’s on the seller to correctly describe the card including any damage and they did not. Had the buyer asked for better pics the seller would have most likely ignored the message anyways. The buyer shouldn’t have to ask for a million pics at different angles special lighting… etc __________________ Just moonwalking through hell on my last brain cell

06-23-2021, 03:52 PM	#32
Bosoxfan5990 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: MA Posts: 14,313 rossisportscards	At this point, it doesn't appear the seller is going to accept the return without eBay stepping in. They've also accused me of damaging the card more myself because I took it out of the toploader and penny sleeve (how else am I supposed to inspect a card)? eBay steps in tomorrow. Buckle up.

06-24-2021, 07:09 AM	#40
EAHOOPER Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 79 BetterThanYuo	If you are forking over that kind of money on a single card and you are looking for something that is "mint" you should inspect the pictures that were uploaded more closely. Even my untrained eye can see that there is a non perfect corner in the picture. Let eBay do their thing but this is on the buyer as much as its on the seller.

06-24-2021, 08:38 AM	#44
Bosoxfan5990 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: MA Posts: 14,313 rossisportscards	FYI - eBay ruled in my favor and I'll be sending the card back today.