Comprehensive Major Player Rookie list

[Gin&Juice]

No Gio Reyna cards should get a "grail" designation.

[fadster]

I'm keeping the grail designation for big players and cards for now, I actually regret even adding it for someone like Modric, it's too recent and doesn't have the same air of mystique as the others yet. I had this Reyna in mind when I included Now but I can add the specific BVB05 number to be more useful.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

No Gio Reyna cards should get a "grail" designation.

I'm good with that.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by fadster

I'm keeping the grail designation for big players and cards for now, I actually regret even adding it for someone like Modric, it's too recent and doesn't have the same air of mystique as the others yet. I had this Reyna in mind when I included Now but I can add the specific BVB05 number to be more useful.

That might help. Thank you.

I was wondering if you list the brands in order of release date after each player? If so, I think that BVB05 card might be his first released of that group you have listed. I could be wrong though.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

That might help. Thank you.

I was wondering if you list the brands in order of release date after each player? If so, I think that BVB05 card might be his first released of that group you have listed. I could be wrong though.

It's tricky as it isn't feasible for older releases as to be honest no ones knows eg ordering all the Pele or Bobby Charlton 1958 releases is not doable, and mixing up the system from player to player is also messy. They are ordered by season for now at least which is the main thing, within seasons will take a bit of time to sort out but chronology is definitely something to consider.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by fadster

It's tricky as it isn't feasible for older releases as to be honest no ones knows eg ordering all the Pele or Bobby Charlton 1958 releases is not doable, and mixing up the system from player to player is also messy. They are ordered by season for now at least which is the main thing, within seasons will take a bit of time to sort out but chronology is definitely something to consider.

For sure. Many collectors want what was first.

What you've done is already exceedingly valuable for collectors. Being able to order releases chronologically will add to it's value, but not by a ton since your info is already so valuable.

I/we sincerely appreciate your time and effort.

[Shine99]

Let me know if you disagree, but it seems like the list should be bifurcated into first sticker and first card.

I love the stickers, but I love the cards just a bit more. Personally, I'm card hunting, and just happen to acquire stickers over time.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by Shine99

Let me know if you disagree, but it seems like the list should be bifurcated into first sticker and first card.

I love the stickers, but I love the cards just a bit more. Personally, I'm card hunting, and just happen to acquire stickers over time.

Thanks for the suggestion, I might add a key for various types of releases (eg cigarette, trade, sticker, trading card, oddball). Splitting the lists is problematic as each format has dominated in specific periods or regions and everything ends up too fragmented.

[Shine99]

Indeed, it would be fragmented (and perhaps problematic). Fragmentation is what makes this particular segment of the hobby so interesting.

Perhaps, there would be more than just two columns. You could go: 1) first sticker, 2) first card, and 3) first standard-sized, pack-issued card.

[bobbycass]

Does anyone know if a Freddy Ljungberg sticker/card exist of him in a Halmstad top?

[fadster]

Originally Posted by bobbycass

Does anyone know if a Freddy Ljungberg sticker/card exist of him in a Halmstad top?

There's an Arena Allsvenska 1995 card



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[HoustOM]

Hi,

Does anyone here knows what is the rookie of Rabah Madjer? (anything earlier than 1982 world cup)
And for South America experts:
Dunga? Aldair? Higuita? Careca?

[BiggNuttz]

I just wanted to bump this thread as it was buried a few pages back. Is it not possible to have this pinned to the top of the forum? It is an amazing resource that should always be front and center!

Regards

[fadster]

Originally Posted by BiggNuttz

I just wanted to bump this thread as it was buried a few pages back. Is it not possible to have this pinned to the top of the forum? It is an amazing resource that should always be front and center!

Regards

Thanks for the timely bump! I will shortly be adding a key to differentiate between release format:

t = trading card - eg 2004 Mecagracks Messi
s = sticker - eg Panini Foot 92 Zidane
h = card / sticker hybrid, card stock meant to be stuck in an album - eg Bergmann 65/66 Beckenbauer
c = cigarette card - eg 1901 Ogdens Meredith
tr = trade card, eg given away with any non-tobacco product like sweets, chocolate, soap, petrol - eg 64/65 Barratt A12 George Best
p = publications and periodicals eg given away with a magazine, newspaper or comic, etc - eg 1994 Mundo Deportivo Ronaldo
tcg = trading card game - eg 2006/07 Panini Coca Cola Championship Gareth Bale

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by fadster

Thanks for the timely bump! I will shortly be adding a key to differentiate between release format:

t = trading card - eg 2004 Mecagracks Messi
s = sticker - eg Panini Foot 92 Zidane
h = card / sticker hybrid, card stock meant to be stuck in an album - eg Bergmann 65/66 Beckenbauer
c = cigarette card - eg 1901 Ogdens Meredith
tr = trade card, eg given away with any non-tobacco product like sweets, chocolate, soap, petrol - eg 64/65 Barratt A12 George Best
p = publications and periodicals eg given away with a magazine, newspaper or comic, etc - eg 1994 Mundo Deportivo Ronaldo
tcg = trading card game - eg 2006/07 Panini Coca Cola Championship Gareth Bale

Fadster, thanks for all the work you are doing on this!

Can I ask that for every player, you make sure to list their first actual trading card, even if they have several prior sticker releases?

I noticed that for many players (Roberto Baggio, for example), you have multiple stickers listed but no cards.

Since many collectors have little to no interest in stickers, I think it will be important in the future to know the 1st actual trading card for each player.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Fadster, thanks for all the work you are doing on this!

Can I ask that for every player, you make sure to list their first actual trading card, even if they have several prior sticker releases?

I noticed that for many players (Roberto Baggio, for example), you have multiple stickers listed but no cards.

Since many collectors have little to no interest in stickers, I think it will be important in the future to know the 1st actual trading card for each player.

I am doing it already within reason, ie if there's a first trading card within a few years and collector interest it's there (eg Zidane). Unfortunately the 80's were peak Panini domination in Europe so anyone from the early 80's from Europe has a fairly lonely entry. I can take another look at some stuff see if there's anything worth adding within reason.

[sorr1l]

Thanks op! new to the hobby (from basketball) and this helps a ton!

[HoustOM]

Hi
So if i understood the other thread about fake stickers, the Rodrygo – 2017 O Globo Promessas is in fact a home made release by 1972soccerstickers so not a true rookie at all.
Am i correct?

[fadster]

Originally Posted by HoustOM

Hi
So if i understood the other thread about fake stickers, the Rodrygo – 2017 O Globo Promessas is in fact a home made release by 1972soccerstickers so not a true rookie at all.
Am i correct?

Yes, I'll make the correction today and I will add a note as well so people are aware of the issue.

[PJKards]

Originally Posted by BiggNuttz

I just wanted to bump this thread as it was buried a few pages back. Is it not possible to have this pinned to the top of the forum? It is an amazing resource that should always be front and center!

Regards

Want to second this thought.

I'm in the middle of making my own spreadsheet of modern players' RCs (Strikers/Forwards/Mids) and had a question for the board's footy populace.

Players who end up having a sole card in a mid-to-high-tier product such as Impeccable (or in Topps' case, Museum) one year, then get more cards the next in more base-heavy Chome/Prizm-type sets.

Do most consider all the cards to be "RCs", or just the sole mid-to-high RC?

For example, Sergino Dest (sorry for the formatting):

Sergino Dest Barcelona USA 19-20 Museum UCL; 20-21 Contenders Rookie Ticket; Mosaic La Liga; Spectra; Gala; Obsidian; TC UCL

I know who thinks what is a "RC" is subjective. Was just curious.

[Dragnet]

OP - great idea to do this and very kind of you to offer so much knowledge to the community. I've got quite a few entries for your list, but I'll stick with a few French footballers for now -- some from the 70s era, as well as a few more recent players:

Marius Trésor: 1970/71 Ageducatifs
Alain Giresse: 1970/71 Ageducatifs
Henri Michel: 1970/71 Ageducatifs
Bernard Lacombe: 1971/72 Ageducatifs
Maxime Bossis: 1974/75 Ageducatifs
Dominique Rocheteau: 1975/76 Ageducatifs
Patrick Battiston: 1975/76 Ageducatifs
Sylvain Wiltord: 1994/95 UNFP Football
David Trezeguet: 1997/98 Panini Foot
Blaise Matuidi: 2005/06 Panini Foot
Karim Benzema: 2006/07 Panini Foot
Hugo Lloris: 2006/07 Panini Foot
Olivier Giroud: 2009/10 Panini Foot
Raphaël Varane: 2011/12 Panini Megacracks

[Dragnet]

Double Post-Sorry

[fadster]

Originally Posted by Dragnet

OP - great idea to do this and very kind of you to offer so much knowledge to the community. I've got quite a few entries for your list, but I'll stick with a few French footballers for now -- some from the 70s era, as well as a few more recent players:

Marius Trésor: 1970/71 Ageducatifs
Alain Giresse: 1970/71 Ageducatifs
Henri Michel: 1970/71 Ageducatifs
Bernard Lacombe: 1971/72 Ageducatifs
Maxime Bossis: 1974/75 Ageducatifs
Dominique Rocheteau: 1975/76 Ageducatifs
Patrick Battiston: 1975/76 Ageducatifs
Sylvain Wiltord: 1994/95 UNFP Football
David Trezeguet: 1997/98 Panini Foot
Blaise Matuidi: 2005/06 Panini Foot
Karim Benzema: 2006/07 Panini Foot
Hugo Lloris: 2006/07 Panini Foot
Olivier Giroud: 2009/10 Panini Foot
Raphaël Varane: 2011/12 Panini Megacracks

Thanks!

[Dragnet]

Some more additions, this time some Dutch and German greats:

Netherlands:
Jan van Beveren: 1968/69 & 1969/70 Vanderhout (these are exactly the same)
Wim Jansen: 1968/69 & 1969/70 Vanderhout (these are exactly the same)
Wim van Hanegem: 1968/69 & 1969/70 Vanderhout (these are exactly the same)
Arnold Muhren: 1970/71 Vanderhout
Johan Neeskens: 1970/71 Vanderhout
Rene van de Kerkhof: 1970/71 Vanderhout
Willy van de Kerkhof: 1970/71 Vanderhout
Ruud Geels: 1970/71 Vanderhout
Ruud Krol: 1970/71 Vanderhout
Theo de Jong: 1970/71 Vanderhout
Arie Haan: 1971/72 Vanderhout
Hugo Hovenkamp: 1971/72 Vanderhout

Germany:
Johannes Löhr: 1964/65 Sicker-Verlag Die Fussball
Horst-Dieter Höttges: 1964/65 Die Neue Bundesliga, 1964/65 Sicker-Verlag Die Fussball
Sigfried Held: 1965/66 Bergmann Bundesliga, 1965/66 Sicker-Verlag Die Fussball Saison
Berti Vogts: 1965/66 Bergmann Bundesliga, 1965/66 Sicker-Verlag Die Fussball Saison
Jürgen Grabowski: 1965/66 Bergmann Bundesliga
Klaus Fichtel: 1965/66 Bergmann Bundesliga, 1965/66 Sicker-Verlag Die Fussball Saison
Heinz Flohe: 1966/67 Bergmann Bundesliga, 1966/67 Sicker-Verlag Bundesliga-Asse
Georg Volkert: 1966/67 Sicker-Verlag Bundesliga-Asse, 1966/67 Die Grosse Fussball-Parade
Hans-Georg Schwarzenbeck: 1966/67 Sicker-Verlag Bundesliga-Asse

Others:
Salif Keïta (Mali): 1970/71 Ageducatifs
Delio Onnis (Argentina): 1971/72 Ageducatifs
Laurent Pokou (Ivory Coast): 1973/74 Ageducatifs
Boubacar Sarr (Senegal): 1975/76 Ageducatifs
Bo Larsson (Sweden): 1966/67 Bergmann Bundesliga, 1966/67 Sicker-Verlag Bundesliga-Asse, 1966/67 Die Grosse Fussball-Parade
Toni Fritsch (Austria) (of NFL fame as well): 1965/66 Sicker-Verlag Die Fussball Saison

[BiggNuttz]

I must say, for all of the rubbish this forum dregs up from time to time, the level of knowledge and insight that so many on here have is beyond incredible. I doubt I will ever be collecting Georg Volkert, but nice to know if I ever decide I want to go that route, then the 1966/67 Die Grosse Fussball-Parade is the way forward!

Many thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.

Regards