2001 Bowman Chrome Ref Ichiro RC

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-05-2021, 05:41 PM

I was browsing my PC a few hours ago and came across the 2001 Bowman Chrome Refractor RC (English version) of Ichiro that I purchased over five years ago. I still love the card. However, I was shocked when I looked at recently completed sales of the card!

I am thinking about selling the card. I read recently that PSA finally resumed offering the express service ($200 now instead of $150). If I think the card will grade a 9, is it worth sending to PSA? They don't go to many shows anymore, and who knows how long it would take to get the card back. I don't read about BGS anymore, but is it worth sending to BGS if it grades a 9 or 9.5 through BGS? Or do I keep the card as it (I think it is in Mint condition) and sell it that way?

I still can't fathom the amount of growth the card had seen over the years, considering that he has been considered a HOF lock far before the time I bought the card. On that note, is there even more room for growth on this Ichiro card, given that he is eligible for the Hall in 2025?

ThoseBackPages · 07-05-2021, 05:45 PM

i think the future will be kind to this card. i think it is worth sending in to PSA right now. i also think that you would be better off waiting as long as you can to grade this card.

in closing, its a great card that *i* feel is going to continue to be more popular in the future

tonedef2oo8 · 07-05-2021, 07:01 PM

Fun fact when the title of a topic reads like a eBay auction it nearly always also says “thinking about selling it” in the topic.. then they over sell condition…

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-05-2021, 07:11 PM

I appreciate the FB.

Can you please clarify - you mentioned that it’s worth sending to PSA right now. However you also mentioned that you think it’s worth waiting as long as I can to grade this card.

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i think the future will be kind to this card. i think it is worth sending in to PSA right now. i also think that you would be better off waiting as long as you can to grade this card.

in closing, its a great card that *i* feel is going to continue to be more popular in the future

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-05-2021, 07:14 PM

Fun fact - your post did not address any of my questions. Additional commentary: probably would have made sense for you to not judge but to read and move on.

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Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

Fun fact when the title of a topic reads like a eBay auction it nearly always also says “thinking about selling it” in the topic.. then they over sell condition…

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-05-2021, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by whitesoxfan3579

Fun fact - your post did not address any of my questions. Additional commentary: probably would have made sense for you to not judge but to read and move on.

Being a jerk is sort of his thing. There is some truth to it, to be honest. You are looking to sell it, correct?

Either way. Get it graded. No matter how long it takes, since that card will age like a fine wine. Getting it graded will only help it’s value.

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-05-2021, 07:28 PM

Thank you. Yes with this type of appreciation in price I am more inclined to sell at some point. I am thinking it might make sense at the next show I see BGS to ask if they do on-site grading and if so only grade the card if it gems. If not, perhaps I will send to PSA with a minimum grade of 9. BGS 9 sells for similar amounts to raw. The bump appears to be there for PSA 9 and def there for BGS 9.5.

What do you think? Am I missing anything?

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Being a jerk is sort of his thing. There is some truth to it, to be honest. You are looking to sell it, correct?

Either way. Get it graded. No matter how long it takes, since that card will age like a fine wine. Getting it graded will only help it’s value.

ThoseBackPages · 07-05-2021, 07:37 PM

i see the Big Hurt as your avatar. if you are local to chicago, you should bring it to the show this month and see if PSA is offering onsite grading

the reason earlier i suggested waiting, is that next year express may be lower than $200

gosstapo · 07-05-2021, 07:45 PM

All Ichiro 2001 cards are blowing up, as they should. He was way undervalued for a long time. I'm just glad I bought what I did of his before they increased.

The print run on his Bowman chromes are low, so I only see this card getting better and better over time. I feel like this card was a market correction when it jumped up, and not because of the regular inflation we saw across the board recently. I'm personally holding my PSA 9 for the long haul

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-05-2021, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by whitesoxfan3579

Thank you. Yes with this type of appreciation in price I am more inclined to sell at some point. I am thinking it might make sense at the next show I see BGS to ask if they do on-site grading and if so only grade the card if it gems. If not, perhaps I will send to PSA with a minimum grade of 9. BGS 9 sells for similar amounts to raw. The bump appears to be there for PSA 9 and def there for BGS 9.5.

What do you think? Am I missing anything?

I’m no expert in this field, but I do buy graded cards. If I didn’t think it could get a PSA 10, I wouldn’t be afraid to send it to BGS and get a 9.5… and maybe even a 9.5 with very strong subs (all 9.5+ subs).

Also, the emergence of Ohtani only helps the legend of Ichiro grow.

sickmantz · 07-05-2021, 09:30 PM

I don't see any reason to wait to get it graded cuz I don't see how grading prices ever go down...barring technology that all but eliminates labor.

Even then, if you get people used to paying a certain price, it makes no sense to lower it.

jduds · 07-05-2021, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Being a jerk is sort of his thing. There is some truth to it, to be honest. You are looking to sell it, correct?

Either way. Get it graded. No matter how long it takes, since that card will age like a fine wine. Getting it graded will only help it’s value.

I always read his comments as a kind of performance art. I always half wondered if it wasn't an alternate account the mods use to vent. Take his digs as a badge of honor/ rite of passage.

jduds · 07-05-2021, 09:48 PM

SGC would be a lot cheaper and has decent return times right now. It would sell lower, but it of course depends on grade. A PSA 9 sold for 1725 and an SGC 9 sold for 1125. SGC grading would be 170 less and you probably have a slightly better shot at a 9.5 than a PSA 10. 430 dollars difference is pretty significant, but I don't think anyone, even PSA, knows what the turnaround time will be on the newly opened service level. They estimate 1-2 months, but I'd be shocked if they end up hitting that.

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-06-2021, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i see the Big Hurt as your avatar. if you are local to chicago, you should bring it to the show this month and see if PSA is offering onsite grading

the reason earlier i suggested waiting, is that next year express may be lower than $200

I used to live in Chicago. I moved out approximately ten years ago. In any event, I appreciate both suggestions. Thank you for taking the time.

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-06-2021, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gosstapo

All Ichiro 2001 cards are blowing up, as they should. He was way undervalued for a long time. I'm just glad I bought what I did of his before they increased.

The print run on his Bowman chromes are low, so I only see this card getting better and better over time. I feel like this card was a market correction when it jumped up, and not because of the regular inflation we saw across the board recently. I'm personally holding my PSA 9 for the long haul

Me too. I didn't realize the print runs are low on this card. A part of me is tempted to seal in the profits before the end of the year. At the moment, funds are a bit tight. There may be a strike next year. Not sure how that could impact the sale of the card. Card values are typically so volatile. However, another part of me worries that if I act too soon I could lose in future growth on the card that could be captured down the road. I sold that 2011 Topps Trout RC for $80 way back (paying only $30) and now look where the card is at.

There are never easy answers. Just more and more questions with considerations on tradeoffs to make.

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-06-2021, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I’m no expert in this field, but I do buy graded cards. If I didn’t think it could get a PSA 10, I wouldn’t be afraid to send it to BGS and get a 9.5… and maybe even a 9.5 with very strong subs (all 9.5+ subs).

Also, the emergence of Ohtani only helps the legend of Ichiro grow.

Thank you. IF it got a 9.5 it def would not be a 9.5 on all four categories. If I were to grade with BGS it would only make sense if it gems given that BGS 9 sell for around the same as the raw cards. I'll have to think about it some more if I try for a PSA 9 or leave it raw.

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-06-2021, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sickmantz

I don't see any reason to wait to get it graded cuz I don't see how grading prices ever go down...barring technology that all but eliminates labor.

Even then, if you get people used to paying a certain price, it makes no sense to lower it.

Good point. Another reason I believe general inflation right now is NOT transitory. For instance, all these food places raised their prices significantly. I don't see any reason they would lower their prices anytime soon. Higher prices are here to stay in that regard!

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-06-2021, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jduds

I always read his comments as a kind of performance art. I always half wondered if it wasn't an alternate account the mods use to vent. Take his digs as a badge of honor/ rite of passage.

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Originally Posted by jduds

SGC would be a lot cheaper and has decent return times right now. It would sell lower, but it of course depends on grade. A PSA 9 sold for 1725 and an SGC 9 sold for 1125. SGC grading would be 170 less and you probably have a slightly better shot at a 9.5 than a PSA 10. 430 dollars difference is pretty significant, but I don't think anyone, even PSA, knows what the turnaround time will be on the newly opened service level. They estimate 1-2 months, but I'd be shocked if they end up hitting that.

I appreciate the FB. Over the long hall I have found that PSA returns better than SGC. However, you make compelling points to at least consider SGC as well. Thank you.

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-06-2021, 07:52 AM

I attached pics of my card for reference.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-06-2021, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jduds

I always read his comments as a kind of performance art. I always half wondered if it wasn't an alternate account the mods use to vent. Take his digs as a badge of honor/ rite of passage.

Same here. I’m also pretty sure it’s a user’s secondary account.

NYBBFAN · 07-06-2021, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by whitesoxfan3579

I attached pics of my card for reference.

Not a 10, but I can see that earning a PSA 9. Great centering! Hard to find on these.

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-06-2021, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

Not a 10, but I can see that earning a PSA 9. Great centering! Hard to find on these.

Absolutely..

HarryLime · 07-06-2021, 11:02 AM

I wouldn't expect SGC to be looser than PSA, the way BGS is. SGC is actually good at grading cards, when they're not doing all the other stupid things that they do. If it's not a 10, send it to BGS.

Also, the OP is asking how to handle grading because he's considering selling. That's not spam-in-disguise. I'm looking to sell my entire collection, just not right now. Let's pump the brakes on the "I want to be the first person to call someone out!" nonsense.

Arthur

80pc · 07-06-2021, 02:07 PM

Great card op!

I found one of these in my Brother's old collection that I went through for him. Japanese version that came back a 9. If I remember right I read that these were redemption so it's hard to say how many were redeemed or are out there.

I offered him 1K for it a year ago and he didn't take it. Don't blame him, this is a special card IMO and not one I'd be trying to sell now.

whitesoxfan3579 · 07-10-2021, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryLime

I wouldn't expect SGC to be looser than PSA, the way BGS is. SGC is actually good at grading cards, when they're not doing all the other stupid things that they do. If it's not a 10, send it to BGS.

Also, the OP is asking how to handle grading because he's considering selling. That's not spam-in-disguise. I'm looking to sell my entire collection, just not right now. Let's pump the brakes on the "I want to be the first person to call someone out!" nonsense.

Arthur

I appreciate the advice and the kind words. Thank you, Arthur.

07-05-2021, 05:41 PM	#1
whitesoxfan3579 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 2,007 alaa6385-53jvwf	2001 Bowman Chrome Ref Ichiro RC I was browsing my PC a few hours ago and came across the 2001 Bowman Chrome Refractor RC (English version) of Ichiro that I purchased over five years ago. I still love the card. However, I was shocked when I looked at recently completed sales of the card! I am thinking about selling the card. I read recently that PSA finally resumed offering the express service ($200 now instead of $150). If I think the card will grade a 9, is it worth sending to PSA? They don't go to many shows anymore, and who knows how long it would take to get the card back. I don't read about BGS anymore, but is it worth sending to BGS if it grades a 9 or 9.5 through BGS? Or do I keep the card as it (I think it is in Mint condition) and sell it that way? I still can't fathom the amount of growth the card had seen over the years, considering that he has been considered a HOF lock far before the time I bought the card. On that note, is there even more room for growth on this Ichiro card, given that he is eligible for the Hall in 2025?

07-05-2021, 05:45 PM	#2
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,403 ThoseBackPages	i think the future will be kind to this card. i think it is worth sending in to PSA right now. i also think that you would be better off waiting as long as you can to grade this card. in closing, its a great card that i feel is going to continue to be more popular in the future __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

07-05-2021, 07:01 PM	#3
tonedef2oo8 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 7,335	Fun fact when the title of a topic reads like a eBay auction it nearly always also says “thinking about selling it” in the topic.. then they over sell condition… __________________ *“ I am very good at calculating stuff. 160+60=210 “*

07-05-2021, 07:37 PM	#8
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,403 ThoseBackPages	i see the Big Hurt as your avatar. if you are local to chicago, you should bring it to the show this month and see if PSA is offering onsite grading the reason earlier i suggested waiting, is that next year express may be lower than $200 __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

07-05-2021, 09:30 PM	#11
sickmantz Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: CA Posts: 2,470 vashthe84	I don't see any reason to wait to get it graded cuz I don't see how grading prices ever go down...barring technology that all but eliminates labor. Even then, if you get people used to paying a certain price, it makes no sense to lower it. __________________ In a system built on racism, status quo sustains it.

07-05-2021, 07:45 PM	#9
gosstapo Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 73 gosstapo	All Ichiro 2001 cards are blowing up, as they should. He was way undervalued for a long time. I'm just glad I bought what I did of his before they increased. The print run on his Bowman chromes are low, so I only see this card getting better and better over time. I feel like this card was a market correction when it jumped up, and not because of the regular inflation we saw across the board recently. I'm personally holding my PSA 9 for the long haul

07-05-2021, 09:48 PM	#13
jduds Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 3,819 chilaw57	SGC would be a lot cheaper and has decent return times right now. It would sell lower, but it of course depends on grade. A PSA 9 sold for 1725 and an SGC 9 sold for 1125. SGC grading would be 170 less and you probably have a slightly better shot at a 9.5 than a PSA 10. 430 dollars difference is pretty significant, but I don't think anyone, even PSA, knows what the turnaround time will be on the newly opened service level. They estimate 1-2 months, but I'd be shocked if they end up hitting that.

07-06-2021, 11:02 AM	#23
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	I wouldn't expect SGC to be looser than PSA, the way BGS is. SGC is actually good at grading cards, when they're not doing all the other stupid things that they do. If it's not a 10, send it to BGS. Also, the OP is asking how to handle grading because he's considering selling. That's not spam-in-disguise. I'm looking to sell my entire collection, just not right now. Let's pump the brakes on the "I want to be the first person to call someone out!" nonsense. Arthur

07-06-2021, 02:07 PM	#24
80pc Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 698	Great card op! I found one of these in my Brother's old collection that I went through for him. Japanese version that came back a 9. If I remember right I read that these were redemption so it's hard to say how many were redeemed or are out there. I offered him 1K for it a year ago and he didn't take it. Don't blame him, this is a special card IMO and not one I'd be trying to sell now.