John & Kamala Slight; Escondido, CA; Ebay: sundiegocollectibles, WIWAG, CARD DOCTORS

[corndog]

PSA Cert #25775340

1959 Topps Roy Campanella #550

Value gain of $415.00

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID t***c (John and Kamala Slight) from Ebay seller dippitydog32 as a BGS 6.5 for $57.00 on April 22, 2016.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller sundiegocollectibles (John and Kamala Slight) as a PSA 8 for $472.00 on June 30, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge (more at bottom than top).

[corndog]

PSA Cert #27577597

1959 Topps Roy Campanella #550

Value gain of $253.88

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID t***c (John and Kamala Slight) from Ebay seller glimpse.of.the.past as a PSA 7 for $150.00 on May 29, 2017.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller sundiegocollectibles (John and Kamala Slight) as a PSA 8 for $403.88 on September 07, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies erased printing ink excess on the right edge.

[Pink Pussycat]

Both of the false Campanellas that reside in PSA 8 Holders are so trimmed that they tilt within the bumpers. I guess PSA was "too busy" to catch that.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #27515312

1959 Topps Hank Aaron #561

Value gain of $755.00

PSA Set Registry: tomsbaseballcards

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID t***c (John and Kamala Slight) from Ebay seller zactcollectibles as a PSA 7 for $120.00 on November 30, 2016.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller sundiegocollectibles (John and Kamala Slight) as a PSA 9 for $875.00 on September 07, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed top and bottom edges.
No back image provided with PSA 7 sale. All of the print defects match.

[lighthouse]

Nothing like the feeling of finding a thread like this, and then going through your purchase history and realizing you've bought a graded card from these people.

[corndog]

PSA 5 trimmed to PSA 9.



PSA Cert #27515306

1959 Topps Los Angeles Dodgers #457

Value gain of $542.87

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID t***c (John and Kamala Slight) from Ebay seller mysweetie1 as a PSA 5 for $6.13 on January 27, 2017.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller sundiegocollectibles (John and Kamala Slight) as a PSA 9 for $549.00 on November 13, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge.
At least one other edge has also been trimmed but I chose to highlight the one shown since it is obvious (even with blurry first image).

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

Nothing like the feeling of finding a thread like this, and then going through your purchase history and realizing you've bought a graded card from these people.

Send it back to him... accompanied by a note demanding a refund and a fresh hot steaming turd. And if you misplaced his mailing address, send it all to PSA.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #27940060

1960 Topps Hank Aaron #300

Value gain of $790.00

PSA Set Registry: VaRedsFan

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID t***c (John and Kamala Slight) from Ebay seller superdave as a PSA 5 for $85.00 on June 29, 2017.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller sundiegocollectibles (John and Kamala Slight) as a PSA 7 for $875.00 on December 07, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and bottom edges.
No back image provided with PSA 5 sale. All of the many print defects match.

[mjohnatgt]

Value gain of $790...

[corndog]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Value gain of $790...

Thanks

Copy and paste issues with me at 1:40am.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #42013071

1959 Topps Jim Brown #10

Value gain of $1,965.00

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID t***c (John and Kamala Slight) from Ebay seller smas99 as a PSA 6 for $110.00 on June 25, 2017.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller sundiegocollectibles (John and Kamala Slight) as a PSA 9 for $2,075.00 on October 03, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge.

[Rooftop]

Shocking..

[pip]

That PSA 9 1959 Topps Jim Brown is now a $8,000 to $10,000 card.

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by pip

That PSA 9 1959 Topps Jim Brown (when not trimmed) is now a $8,000 to $10,000 card.

fixed it for you

[pip]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

fixed it for you

The sad reality is that to many, it makes no difference what is actually inside of the PSA holder. It's the predictable result of too many years of a total lack of regulation or oversight of TPGs.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #42591078

1964 Topps 1964 Rookie Stars Braves #541

Value gain of $90.40

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID t***c (John and Kamala Slight) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 6 for $86.00 on November 15, 2018.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller sundiegocollectibles (John and Kamala Slight) as a PSA 7 for $176.40 on December 24, 2019.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.
No back image provided with PSA 6 sale. The print defects match.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

The sad reality is that to many, it makes no difference what is actually inside of the PSA holder. It's the predictable result of too many years of a total lack of regulation or oversight of TPGs.

The eyes adjust to the smaller borders, particularly on certain prewar issues. Over time, they look normal.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

The eyes adjust to the smaller borders, particularly on certain prewar issues. Over time, they look normal.

All those miniature 1948 Leafs will never look normal to me but yeah, 1933 Goudeys (one example) come in so many different sizes that it is tough to tell sometimes just by glancing....unless you know particular cards and how they are typically cut.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

All those miniature 1948 Leafs will never look normal to me but yeah, 1933 Goudeys (one example) come in so many different sizes that it is tough to tell sometimes just by glancing....unless you know particular cards and how they are typically cut.

I think we have seen this phenomenon I describe in E cards, at least to me the ones that fit in T holders increasingly don't look weird to me the way they did back in the day when certain people were hacking them up and cards that used to always get a baggie and oversize holder sometimes started to fit into a T holder. Es in Ts I called them. A certain now deceased collector had lots of them, but I don't think he saw the problem.
And I think to some extent smaller T206s look less obvious too than they used to because the eyes adjust over time.

[WalterAZ31]

i dont mean to derail this, and i honestly just kinda skimmed through this. But did they plead guilty and faced charges and it still hasnt stopped them from creating new ebay accounts and doing same stuff?

[pip]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

i dont mean to derail this, and i honestly just kinda skimmed through this. But did they plead guilty and faced charges and it still hasnt stopped them from creating new ebay accounts and doing same stuff?

Good question. Years ago, they purchased the same equipment that PSA used and got ahold of some original PSA slabs. Basically, they were a parallel grading company to PSA and were grading their own cards, some of which were altered. Now, they're just altering cards and sending them directly to PSA. The irony is that if WIWAG would have had access to the same group of dishonest ebay sellers (PWCC, Probstein) and AHs that exist today, they would have gone much longer before being caught....if it would have happened at all.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

Good question. Years ago, they purchased the same equipment that PSA used and got ahold of some original PSA slabs. Basically, they were a parallel grading company to PSA and were grading their own cards, some of which were altered. Now, they're just altering cards and sending them directly to PSA. The irony is that if WIWAG would have had access to the same group of dishonest ebay sellers (PWCC, Probstein) and AHs that exist today, they would have gone much longer before being caught....if it would have happened at all.

Well, to be precise, they didn't have the ability to make flips. What they did is crack out high grade cards, put their own (inferior) card in a new slab with the same flip, seal it, and send the removed card back in to be graded again.

I can't recall if it came out how they got the slabs. I remember the rumor that they were stolen off PSA's loading dock perhaps with inside help.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Well, to be precise, they didn't have the ability to make flips. What they did is crack out high grade cards, put their own (inferior) card in a new slab with the same flip, seal it, and send the removed card back in to be graded again.

I can't recall if it came out how they got the slabs. I remember the rumor that they were stolen off PSA's loading dock perhaps with inside help.

Yes this is an accurate summary of what took place. It was rumored that someone on the inside assisted with getting them the slabs. When I confronted Joe Orlando about the atrocious general cover up they were attempting to do, Joe actually laughed at how ridiculous my version was of the scandal and said it was nothing like what I had been told.

Of course not much later Joe also lied when I testified against him so I will go with my version of the WIWAG scandal and not the one that Joe refused to tell me or anyone else.

[pspa123]

From an old 54 post, don't recognize the poster, during the trial.

You should have been there. Word is Mr. Orlando told a few too many untruths. The first was that WIWAG did not have a sealing machine. It was funny that the machine that they never had was sitting in the courtroom. Also brought out was that there were thousands of unprotected holders left outside the PSA security premises. Seems to me that this was no small operation WIWAG was running. How does the FBI investigate this matter and leave the consumer in jeopardy like this? I know why PSA would do so. It is called covering your ass and to hell with the collectors that have been bilked. Let's see the spin doctors at PSA spin this one. Oh I'm sorry I forgot they never say anything to their customers, so that they might protect themselves.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by pspa123

The eyes adjust to the smaller borders, particularly on certain prewar issues. Over time, they look normal.

Yes, Looking at a display of vintage cards slabbed with high numerical grades the altered cards don't stand out easily because... who would have guess it... they're nearly all altered...