eBay raw card described as "PSA 10" quality

[125mph]

Just requested a refund.. this seller is a joke.. Pictures of the card taken from a top angle to hide the dinged corner. No response from seller after 2 days.. I assume eBay will rule in my favor?

[Biohazarddfl]

Yes, if you acted fast, you'll be fine.

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[jduds]

Lucky for you the new card return policy does not start till July 29th. I bet the seller thinks it is in effect and is trying to run out the clock by not responding.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by jduds

Lucky for you the new card return policy does not start till July 29th. I bet the seller thinks it is in effect and is trying to run out the clock by not responding.

I don't think it works that way.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by hammertime

I don't think it works that way.

The new policy gives you a 3 day limit to file a return for item not as described. If you wait past 3 days, my impression is that you are S.O.L. Not an issue here as the policy isn't in effect yet tough. I'm not sure what, if anything, Ebay would do if the clock ran out while you were trying to contact the seller.

[Flkrsn5]

Who’s the seller?

[NYRE2PECT]

Don't buy any raw card that has any parts hidden, like ever.

-hidden
-glaring
-fuzzy
-shadowy

Most often they are like that for a reason.

[125mph]

Originally Posted by Flkrsn5

Who’s the seller?

Seller's name is chrich-5971. The ebay listing is https://www.ebay.com/itm/16493322711...p2047675.l2557

You can kind of see the ding on the top right corner from the pic he has in the posting, but the light is dark and from a top angle it looks just like a refractor shadow or something. He obviously didnt disclosure it in the description. Maybe I should have seen the bad corner and became a sucker. There were 43 bids, I was the unlucky winner lol.

[80pc]

Originally Posted by 125mph

You can kind of see the ding on the top right corner from the pic he has in the posting, but the light is dark and from a top angle it looks just like a refractor shadow or something. He obviously didnt disclosure it in the description.

That ding is clear as day in the 4th image. Not sure why seller is suggesting this is PSA 10 but also I think you could have prevented the headache by looking closely at the images.

edit: He also is definitely trying to hide it in some of those images. I assume the one that shows it is his "out".

[glen87]

one general rule i tend to follow - do not buy from keyword spammers like this one.

if their cards were really psa 10's, they would be in psa 10 holders and charging a lot more for them.

[jduds]

The picture actually shows it pretty good. No way he should've put possible PSA 10. He was begging for a return.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by 80pc

That ding is clear as day in the 4th image. Not sure why seller is suggesting this is PSA 10 but also I think you could have prevented the headache by looking closely at the images.

edit: He also is definitely trying to hide it in some of those images. I assume the one that shows it is his "out".

agree with this, you can clearly see the ding here



you got what you paid for in this case.

[125mph]

Originally Posted by glen87

agree with this, you can clearly see the ding here



you got what you paid for in this case.

Yep, now I can clearly see it since I know where to look. Before, I thought it was just a shadow like the other Xfractor diamonds. I tend to only buy graded cards, this is my first "experience" at raw cards.

A defect like that should be disclosed in the description. I've seen good sellers even mention faint print lines that they cant take a picture of but they still disclosure it.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by 125mph

Yep, now I can clearly see it since I know where to look. Before, I thought it was just a shadow like the other Xfractor diamonds. I tend to only buy graded cards, this is my first "experience" at raw cards.

A defect like that should be disclosed in the description. I've seen good sellers even mention faint print lines that they cant take a picture of but they still disclosure it.

yes it should be, but unfortunately it is not the case. especially when dealing with spammers like this one.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Were in a weird time where the market is starting to cool off and, with grading slowed to a snails pace there isnt a quick burn and turn on 9's anymore. This has resulted in more returns, by armatures who think they know what a 10 looks like.

You bought a raw card, at a raw price.

That corner issue to me looks like someone didnt know how to open a pack. Will it affect the grade. Yup. Is that still a reasonably acceptable condition for a raw card? Yup. Was the damaged showcased in the listing? Yup.

The seller set the expectation which was stupid of him and to me that is your only potential reason for a return. That said, Ohtani continues this run....card is easily worth triple what it is today at the end of the season regardless of the market cooling.

Its fun watching all this 'new blood' not understand that for decades you couldn't insta flip a card for 2-3x what you paid.

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by glen87

one general rule i tend to follow - do not buy from keyword spammers like this one.

if their cards were really psa 10's, they would be in psa 10 holders and charging a lot more for them.

I do not agree with this, and it actually bothers me when people make the statement of if it’s raw, it’s because it’s not a 10.

I do not trade cards because I don’t want to deal with it. That does not mean my cards are flawed and would not be 10s. It just means that I don’t like cards being tied up at PSA. I do own some graded cards, but that’s because I bought them that way.

I have a lot of fellow collectors I know that prefer cards to be raw. I have known some guys to buy a graded copy just to bust it out immediately, they bought the graded copy because it was the only one they could find.

Now that being said, when I trade/sell cards I make sure everyone knows I am not a grader, will never claim that it should be a given grade and take all the pictures anyone wants and over explain any flaw on the card.

This guy was clearly shady and trying to hide the damage, but, the damage is clear in the picture. Collectors need to just ignore when a seller states PSA 10 on a raw card and look at the pics. Or, you know, just buy a 10 if you want a 10.

[glen87]

i agree with this....i am talking about the guys who are keyword spammers. they tend to know about grading, and only put that there to entice the buyer.

Originally Posted by dashcol

I do not agree with this, and it actually bothers me when people make the statement of if it’s raw, it’s because it’s not a 10.

I do not trade cards because I don’t want to deal with it. That does not mean my cards are flawed and would not be 10s. It just means that I don’t like cards being tied up at PSA. I do own some graded cards, but that’s because I bought them that way.

I have a lot of fellow collectors I know that prefer cards to be raw. I have known some guys to buy a graded copy just to bust it out immediately, they bought the graded copy because it was the only one they could find.

Now that being said, when I trade/sell cards I make sure everyone knows I am not a grader, will never claim that it should be a given grade and take all the pictures anyone wants and over explain any flaw on the card.

This guy was clearly shady and trying to hide the damage, but, the damage is clear in the picture. Collectors need to just ignore when a seller states PSA 10 on a raw card and look at the pics. Or, you know, just buy a 10 if you want a 10.

[Cardboardalstar]

Looks to be about PSA 10 quality,

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by glen87

i agree with this....i am talking about the guys who are keyword spammers. they tend to know about grading, and only put that there to entice the buyer.

Gotcha. I can get behind that.

[fabiani12333]

The listing title says "pos. PSA 10" and "perfect centering". It doesn't explicitly say PSA 10 condition -- only implies it.

The fact that the seller avoids describing the condition of the card beyond centering should lead a potential bidder to be skeptical. Also, the photo showing the back of the card clearly shows a creased corner.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

Don't buy any raw card that has any parts hidden, like ever.

-hidden
-glaring
-fuzzy
-shadowy

Most often they are like that for a reason.

You usually can't tell if a card is scratched without the proper lighting and camera angle.

[IlliniBear]

Originally Posted by 125mph

Seller's name is chrich-5971. The ebay listing is https://www.ebay.com/itm/16493322711...p2047675.l2557

You can kind of see the ding on the top right corner from the pic he has in the posting, but the light is dark and from a top angle it looks just like a refractor shadow or something. He obviously didnt disclosure it in the description. Maybe I should have seen the bad corner and became a sucker. There were 43 bids, I was the unlucky winner lol.

Don't blame yourself, the title was completely dishonest and I think it was reasonable to think the corner was ok given the description.

[mnvikingstwins]

Neutral/neg him please, ebay doesn't properly take down listings that spam PSA on raw cards. Idiot does it on his other active listings too

[dwest13cavs]

very annoying when ebayers do this.