Tua Tagovailoa

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-17-2021, 11:18 AM

(If there’s an already existing official thread for him and I missed, I’m sorry. Please direct me to it, and I will use that one.)

Tua’s prices are at bargain basement levels right now, all things considered. I’m buying some low-end cards here and there. Massively increased print runs are also helping to keep prices low I’m sure.

What are everyone’s expectations on him? Anyone else buying on the dip? I think he can turn things around, but I can’t say I’m fully sold on him. He looked small out there last year and struggled to get the ball down field.

2020 isn’t a fair year to be judging rookies, so I’m willing to give him a pass, and overall I think the Dolphins will be a slightly improved team from last year.

Giancarlo27 · 07-17-2021, 12:02 PM

He sucks. The best case scenario is that he was awful last year because he hadn’t fully recovered from his hip surgery and this year he will be fully healthy. But even in that scenario he will be no better than league average

MD202041 · 07-17-2021, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

(If there’s an already existing official thread for him and I missed, I’m sorry. Please direct me to it, and I will use that one.)

Tua’s prices are at bargain basement levels right now, all things considered. I’m buying some low-end cards here and there. Massively increased print runs are also helping to keep prices low I’m sure.

What are everyone’s expectations on him? Anyone else buying on the dip? I think he can turn things around, but I can’t say I’m fully sold on him. He looked small out there last year and struggled to get the ball down field.

2020 isn’t a fair year to be judging rookies, so I’m willing to give him a pass, and overall I think the Dolphins will be a slightly improved team from last year.

The thing you gotta remember about Tua last year and Mac Jones this year is they played at Alabama with probably the best offensive support in college football history. How would you like to throw to Ruggs, Jeudy, Waddle, and Devonta Smith? Hand the ball off to Damien Harris and Najee Harris? All backed up back mammoth 5 star OL? I guess what I’m saying is jury is out on the Bama QBs that have to adjust to not having Bama level support around them at the NFL level. Wait and see with these guys.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-17-2021, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

He sucks. The best case scenario is that he was awful last year because he hadn’t fully recovered from his hip surgery and this year he will be fully healthy. But even in that scenario he will be no better than league average

Harsh take! But I appreciate you taking the time to reply… haha.

I don’t totally disagree with you, but I think he could have elite level accuracy, so if he can just gain a little arm strength and learn the playbook more, he could be a poor’s man Drew Brees. Obviously I’m a long-suffering Fins homer, so I’m straining hard to see any upside, but it’s there.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-17-2021, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MD202041

The thing you gotta remember about Tua last year and Mac Jones this year is they played at Alabama with probably the best offensive support in college football history. How would you like to throw to Ruggs, Jeudy, Waddle, and Devonta Smith? Hand the ball off to Damien Harris and Najee Harris? All backed up back mammoth 5 star OL? I guess what I’m saying is jury is out on the Bama QBs that have to adjust to not having Bama level support around them at the NFL level. Wait and see with these guys.

Very good points. I worried about those thing as well as that draft approached. Alabama QBs haven’t fared well in the NFL since Broadway Joe.

HeadstrongRSS · 07-17-2021, 12:47 PM

I think he sucks. Simply doesn't have the arm. Doesn't pass the eye test whatsoever. You'd be better off with Rosen.

ChaseUA · 07-17-2021, 01:44 PM

I’m a Bama fan so I will unashamedly show my bias. I think he has a huge sophomore surge and shows that he can be a franchise QB. He has Mahomes like ability to turning a negative play into a highlight and has great anticipation and accuracy. I think the hip, and mental hurdles of overcoming the injury, combined with being thrust into action early last year didn’t do him any favors from a public perception standpoint.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-17-2021, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

I think he sucks. Simply doesn't have the arm. Doesn't pass the eye test whatsoever. You'd be better off with Rosen.

Rosen? Let’s be rational here…

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-17-2021, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseUA

I’m a Bama fan so I will unashamedly show my bias. I think he has a huge sophomore surge and shows that he can be a franchise QB. He has Mahomes like ability to turning a negative play into a highlight and has great anticipation and accuracy. I think the hip, and mental hurdles of overcoming the injury, combined with being thrust into action early last year didn’t do him any favors from a public perception standpoint.

You sound more optimistic than me! I’m glad someone feels that way.

TimBuckTwo · 07-17-2021, 03:02 PM

One and done. Two and through.

salthill · 07-17-2021, 03:13 PM

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One and done. Two and through.

Your second statement contradicts your first. Therefore he’s clearly the next Dan Marino.

kyle1707 · 07-17-2021, 03:17 PM

I said ohtani was over rated and will be a bust

He’s never coming back from surgery

Keep that in mind

I don’t like tua size build or arm.

I don’t think he will ever be a franchise qb

Archangel1775 · 07-17-2021, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

I said ohtani was over rated and will be a bust

He’s never coming back from surgery

Keep that in mind

I don’t like tua size build or arm.

I don’t think he will ever be a franchise qb

The NFL and college for that matter are getting away from that prototypical QB height. An athletic 6'0ish seems to be the norm lately with Kyler and Wilson just below that.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-17-2021, 03:51 PM

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The NFL and college for that matter are getting away from that prototypical QB height. An athletic 6'0ish seems to be the norm lately with Kyler and Wilson just below that.

Totally agree, but Tua doesn’t have the elite athleticism of Kyler, or the elite mind/leadership of Russell.

I was hoping people would cheer me up on Tua and convince me that he’ll be just fine… but I guess everyone is worried as I am, or worse.

*gulp*

ScooterD · 07-17-2021, 04:09 PM

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Therefore he’s clearly the next Dan Marino.

He’ll end up with as many rings as Marino

weeds73 · 07-17-2021, 04:11 PM

I saw nothing from him last year that made me particularly optimistic about his upside. However, there are a couple of things working in his favor that should keep him relevant. 1. He has a strong group of wide receivers and 2. He plays in the AFC East (which just hasn’t been the same since Tom Brady left the patriots, though I know Buffalo / Josh Allen fans would say otherwise…)

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Siberian13 · 07-17-2021, 05:04 PM

So far he’s as good as Boo expected

BeefSupreme · 07-17-2021, 05:14 PM

So, he came back from a catastrophic injury in a year, and, while arriving for his rookie year, had to endure his first season during the most unusual circumstances in NFL history. The prior 2 years, #TankforTua trended everywhere. Yes, I think the hobby has given up on him too quickly. For investment purposes, I'd rather 2 Tuas over 1 Herbert. I know I'm in the minority, but I believe that Tua can still be a stud.

mike1498 · 07-17-2021, 05:26 PM

This is tempting but his arm strength is what really makes me nervous. I don’t think you can be successful without a somewhat strong arm. Im not saying that short term games aren’t possible but I can’t see how this is a good long term play.

Boo · 07-17-2021, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

So far he’s as good as Boo expected

Not throwing in the towel yet though. The play calling did him zero favors last year. It was all short drops and 5 yard passes. Should change this year with Waddle. We’ll see.

rman112 · 07-17-2021, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Not throwing in the towel yet though. The play calling did him zero favors last year. It was all short drops and 5 yard passes. Should change this year with Waddle. We’ll see.

Yeah, but why was that? He looked like crap trying to move the ball deeper down the field.

The hope is that he wasn't healthy last year. His arm looked better in college.

Siberian13 · 07-17-2021, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Yeah, but why was that? He looked like crap trying to move the ball deeper down the field.

The hope is that he wasn't healthy last year. His arm looked better in college.

Every QB from Bama looks better in college. You basically have the best player at every position. When you have a ton of time in college from your OL it’s too easy.

Siberian13 · 07-17-2021, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Not throwing in the towel yet though. The play calling did him zero favors last year. It was all short drops and 5 yard passes. Should change this year with Waddle. We’ll see.

Don’t forget Parker, Fuller and Gesicki. If he can’t get it down with that group then you’ll be worried. But he’s still young. It takes time to get used to the left handed QB as well. They’re all so used to right handers.

Playbook will open up for sure.

rman112 · 07-17-2021, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

Every QB from Bama looks better in college. You basically have the best player at every position. When you have a ton of time in college from your OL it’s too easy.

I mean in actually physically throwing the ball.

oldgoldy97 · 07-17-2021, 05:56 PM

Another former DIII QB on BO?

07-17-2021, 11:18 AM	#1
MiamiMarlinsFan Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 13,539	Tua Tagovailoa (If there’s an already existing official thread for him and I missed, I’m sorry. Please direct me to it, and I will use that one.) Tua’s prices are at bargain basement levels right now, all things considered. I’m buying some low-end cards here and there. Massively increased print runs are also helping to keep prices low I’m sure. What are everyone’s expectations on him? Anyone else buying on the dip? I think he can turn things around, but I can’t say I’m fully sold on him. He looked small out there last year and struggled to get the ball down field. 2020 isn’t a fair year to be judging rookies, so I’m willing to give him a pass, and overall I think the Dolphins will be a slightly improved team from last year.

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Giancarlo27 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 11,169	He sucks. The best case scenario is that he was awful last year because he hadn’t fully recovered from his hip surgery and this year he will be fully healthy. But even in that scenario he will be no better than league average __________________ Collecting: Giancarlo Stanton, Sandy Koufax, Hideki Matsui, Topps Archives Autographs

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weeds73 Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 2,307	I saw nothing from him last year that made me particularly optimistic about his upside. However, there are a couple of things working in his favor that should keep him relevant. 1. He has a strong group of wide receivers and 2. He plays in the AFC East (which just hasn’t been the same since Tom Brady left the patriots, though I know Buffalo / Josh Allen fans would say otherwise…) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Football Albums: www.flickr.com/photos/weeds73/albums Basketball Albums: https://imgur.com/user/weeds73

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oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 50,390	Another former DIII QB on BO? __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

07-17-2021, 12:47 PM	#6
HeadstrongRSS Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: WI Posts: 1,390 HeadstrongRSS HeadstrongRSS	I think he sucks. Simply doesn't have the arm. Doesn't pass the eye test whatsoever. You'd be better off with Rosen.

07-17-2021, 01:44 PM	#7
ChaseUA Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 777	I’m a Bama fan so I will unashamedly show my bias. I think he has a huge sophomore surge and shows that he can be a franchise QB. He has Mahomes like ability to turning a negative play into a highlight and has great anticipation and accuracy. I think the hip, and mental hurdles of overcoming the injury, combined with being thrust into action early last year didn’t do him any favors from a public perception standpoint.

07-17-2021, 03:02 PM	#10
TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,068	One and done. Two and through.

07-17-2021, 03:17 PM	#12
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,415	I said ohtani was over rated and will be a bust He’s never coming back from surgery Keep that in mind I don’t like tua size build or arm. I don’t think he will ever be a franchise qb

07-17-2021, 05:04 PM	#17
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 77,171 shiller13	So far he’s as good as Boo expected

07-17-2021, 05:14 PM	#18
BeefSupreme Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 162	So, he came back from a catastrophic injury in a year, and, while arriving for his rookie year, had to endure his first season during the most unusual circumstances in NFL history. The prior 2 years, #TankforTua trended everywhere. Yes, I think the hobby has given up on him too quickly. For investment purposes, I'd rather 2 Tuas over 1 Herbert. I know I'm in the minority, but I believe that Tua can still be a stud.

07-17-2021, 05:26 PM	#19
mike1498 Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Baltimore Posts: 7,448 college_beer_money	This is tempting but his arm strength is what really makes me nervous. I don’t think you can be successful without a somewhat strong arm. Im not saying that short term games aren’t possible but I can’t see how this is a good long term play.