Topps out---Fanatics in - Page 34

mfw13 · 08-19-2021, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by speedyjg13

What are the pros and what are the cons of having Fanatics take over the hobby?

Pros: none

Cons: have zero experience producing sports cards, have zero access to Topps' intellectual property

However, as others have noted, Fanatics could easily buy Topps, lock, stock, and barrel.

MUDS is currently valued at around $500 million.

Fanatics is currently valued at around $18 billion.

k13 · 08-19-2021, 08:02 PM

Collectors are fickle, they still hate Panini after all these years.

Look how hard it is for any grading company to gain ground over PSA.
Baseball can have decades in between good rookie classes.

Could be a beautiful disaster.

k13 · 08-19-2021, 08:03 PM

So are all LCS going to close down soon.

lauriontj · 08-19-2021, 08:03 PM

I just heard about this. I don’t know how I feel about this. I am sadden. Baseball cards have been 80% of my childhood growing up. And it’s still a big part of my life today.

Anyone know a good therapist?

The Accountant · 08-19-2021, 08:03 PM

Also... after what Panini just did with Select brand, I'm fine if they go.

k13 · 08-19-2021, 08:04 PM

If it was not for all the trimming I would be buy more vintage.

ewokpelts · 08-19-2021, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Minelayer

A friend of a friend who knows (because Topps is soon to become public) said that they were not profitable till the pandemic boom hit.
If true Fanatics will need to sell for more than 10x what Topps sold product for.

It’s not surprising, as topps’s venture capital owners were Looking to sell in 2018. And this MUDS deal no Is all about getting rid of the venture capital partners and making Torrante some sweet money.

Handsome Wes · 08-19-2021, 08:06 PM

Seriously though, is this what we are looking at:
2022 - Topps releases cards with player likenesses and team branding
2023 - Fanatics releases cards of the players but with no team logos; Topps signs some players to deals and releases cards with names and logos
2024 - ditto 2023
2025 - Fanatics releases cards with player names and branding. Topps can sign players and releases cards but they can’t show logos.

Silent George · 08-19-2021, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lauriontj

I just heard about this. I don’t know how I feel about this. I am sadden. Baseball cards have been 80% of my childhood growing up. And it’s still a big part of my life today.

Anyone know a good therapist?

Harder and harder to find a good licensed therapist with Fanatics buying them all out.

smanzari · 08-19-2021, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Seriously though, is this what we are looking at:
2022 - Topps releases cards with player likenesses and team branding
2023 - Fanatics releases cards of the players but with no team logos; Topps signs some players to deals and releases cards with names and logos
2024 - ditto 2023
2025 - Fanatics releases cards with player names and branding. Topps can sign players and releases cards but they can’t show logos.

Topps can only do this if said player leaves the MLBPA

Handsome Wes · 08-19-2021, 08:09 PM

I give up. Just… let Fanatics do their thing, I know I lost my battle. Please just release a factory base set of all the players like I’ve gotten for 30+ years.

And yes, I have reached the ‘bargaining’ stage of my DABDA grief chart.

dizzydolse · 08-19-2021, 08:09 PM

7 pages in but I love these threads because we get to find out who the geniuses are among us that just know everything

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Fantastic will have no problems letting the presses roll. Get ready to see planets of stock at your local Target and Wal-Mart, and gas station, and grocery store, and GameStop, and Best Buy, and…

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Originally Posted by moosetequila

Hobby getting kicked in the nads, then shanked in the arse, players strike followed by Topps demise. Those who FOMO'd and chased prospects will be gone. Less demand, declining values... Beanie Babies

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Originally Posted by dd316

Exactly... and that brand will be Fanatics. When you're the only company putting out cards with an MLB license you'll find an audience immediately. They would have nothing to gain by keeping the Topps brand name - would be a step back for a company who's only looking forward.

At the end of the day most baseball collectors will just transition over to the Fanatics release.

JRX · 08-19-2021, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Seriously though, is this what we are looking at:
2022 - Topps releases cards with player likenesses and team branding
2023 - Fanatics releases cards of the players but with no team logos; Topps signs some players to deals and releases cards with names and logos
2024 - ditto 2023
2025 - Fanatics releases cards with player names and branding. Topps can sign players and releases cards but they can’t show logos.

I thought topps still has mlb in 2025 and fanatics deal is 2026

rngrdanny22 · 08-19-2021, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballKing

What Topps stock? There will surely be no IPO now.

MUDS. There was never an IPO.

Handsome Wes · 08-19-2021, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smanzari

Topps can only do this if said player leaves the MLBPA

Looking forward to my Rick Reed / Kevin Millar heritage set

phreakyq · 08-19-2021, 08:13 PM

What If...

Fanatics bought the MLB and MLBPA licenses instead of directly buying out Topps? Maybe Topps didn't want to sell? Hostile takeover? Maybe Fanatics knew that kind of news would be negative and we have yet to see the power play where they swoop in and now acquire Topps and keep the Topps/Bowman names and people wont hate Fanatics.

pewe · 08-19-2021, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by smanzari

Topps can only do this if said player leaves the MLBPA

What makes you think this is how it works?

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whitmm · 08-19-2021, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Seriously though, is this what we are looking at:
2022 - Topps releases cards with player likenesses and team branding
2023 - Fanatics releases cards of the players but with no team logos; Topps signs some players to deals and releases cards with names and logos
2024 - ditto 2023
2025 - Fanatics releases cards with player names and branding. Topps can sign players and releases cards but they can’t show logos.

Would the Topps fanboys still buy Topps if they become a worse version of Panini? Because there is a large majority here that just bash Panini for not having the MLB license.

And that exclusive MLBPA license is the game changer from what we have now. Barry Bonds is the only player I can think of that didn't join the association

The Accountant · 08-19-2021, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mandy1320

Initial reactions:

1. Holy s***
2. Sell your MUDS shares
3. There’s a chance that this could be really for the hobby overall.
4. There’s a chance that this could devastate the hobby overall.
5. Topps has been printing money over the last couple of years and they still found a way to screw it all up. Lol
6. Sad for the past but excited for the future.

Agree with most of this. holy s***!!! could be exciting I just hope we don't lose everything if topps sells (GPK, F1, Soccer... Star wars)

pewe · 08-19-2021, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by phreakyq

What If...

Fanatics bought the MLB and MLBPA licenses instead of directly buying out Topps? Maybe Topps didn't want to sell? Hostile takeover? Maybe Fanatics knew that kind of news would be negative and we have yet to see the power play where they swoop in and now acquire Topps and keep the Topps/Bowman names and people wont hate Fanatics.

What if…

This was wondered earlier in the thread?

Over and over again

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Mandy1320 · 08-19-2021, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Accountant

Agree with most of this. holy s***!!! could be exciting I just hope we don't lose everything if topps sells (GPK, F1, Soccer... Star wars)

I imagine that’s completely up to them and how they handle this. Adapt or die.

marterburn · 08-19-2021, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by phreakyq

What If...

Fanatics bought the MLB and MLBPA licenses instead of directly buying out Topps? Maybe Topps didn't want to sell? Hostile takeover? Maybe Fanatics knew that kind of news would be negative and we have yet to see the power play where they swoop in and now acquire Topps and keep the Topps/Bowman names and people wont hate Fanatics.

This has a significant chance of happening -- it's what makes the most logical sense. It hasn't been said a lot in this thread, but we can't stop the doom & gloomers.

Now, Fanatics would of course operate Topps quite differently.

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Silent George · 08-19-2021, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

What makes you think this is how it works?

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I believe it’s the opposite.

Have a deal with the union grants you rights to any player in the Union.

That player can still grant their own rights outside of that in addition to union rights.

This was essentially the ARod saga, no?

Signed exclusive rights with that minor league card set. Once he hit the majors everyone but Topps issued his cards because they had mlbpa rights. Topps did also but insisted on individual contracts also.

whitmm · 08-19-2021, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by marterburn

This has a significant chance of happening -- it's what makes the most logical sense. It hasn't been said a lot in this thread, but we can't stop the doom & gloomers.

Now, Fanatics would of course operate Topps quite differently.

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With them getting the NBA and NFL licenses and already having exclusive Panini products, a buyout of Panini honestly seems like the more likely path.

pewe · 08-19-2021, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Silent George

I believe it’s the opposite.

Have a deal with the union grants you rights to any player in the Union.

That player can still grant their own rights outside of that in addition to union rights.

This was essentially the ARod saga, no?

Signed exclusive rights with that minor league card set. Once he hit the majors everyone but Topps issued his cards because they had mlbpa rights. Topps did also but insisted on individual contracts also.

You understand it the same way that I do

In addition, I believe a player can choose to not be part of the MLBPA deal, and just not receive whatever share of compensation comes from it… doesn’t mean they stop being part of the MLBPA

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lauriontj Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: PA Posts: 6,268	I just heard about this. I don’t know how I feel about this. I am sadden. Baseball cards have been 80% of my childhood growing up. And it’s still a big part of my life today. Anyone know a good therapist? __________________ Insta: tjssportscards24 PC: Griffey/Soto and like the Washington Nationals! My dad taught me to hate the Yankees. Now that I’m an adult, I realize I was raised correctly.

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The Accountant Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 12,987	Also... after what Panini just did with Select brand, I'm fine if they go. __________________ Buying: Cole Hamels 1/1s

08-19-2021, 08:02 PM	#827
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	Collectors are fickle, they still hate Panini after all these years. Look how hard it is for any grading company to gain ground over PSA. Baseball can have decades in between good rookie classes. Could be a beautiful disaster.

08-19-2021, 08:03 PM	#828
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	So are all LCS going to close down soon.

08-19-2021, 08:04 PM	#831
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	If it was not for all the trimming I would be buy more vintage.

08-19-2021, 08:06 PM	#833
Handsome Wes Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 994	Seriously though, is this what we are looking at: 2022 - Topps releases cards with player likenesses and team branding 2023 - Fanatics releases cards of the players but with no team logos; Topps signs some players to deals and releases cards with names and logos 2024 - ditto 2023 2025 - Fanatics releases cards with player names and branding. Topps can sign players and releases cards but they can’t show logos.

08-19-2021, 08:09 PM	#836
Handsome Wes Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 994	I give up. Just… let Fanatics do their thing, I know I lost my battle. Please just release a factory base set of all the players like I’ve gotten for 30+ years. And yes, I have reached the ‘bargaining’ stage of my DABDA grief chart.

08-19-2021, 08:13 PM	#841
phreakyq Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: STL Posts: 2,875 phreakyq phreakyq	What If... Fanatics bought the MLB and MLBPA licenses instead of directly buying out Topps? Maybe Topps didn't want to sell? Hostile takeover? Maybe Fanatics knew that kind of news would be negative and we have yet to see the power play where they swoop in and now acquire Topps and keep the Topps/Bowman names and people wont hate Fanatics.