2021 NFL MVP - Who Wins it? - Page 2

kyle1707 · 08-24-2021, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Agreed. Even after his rookie year. Don't get me wrong, he did some good things. But at that point, people were pointing to him as a guy that as knocking on the door of stardom. I don't get it.

People love the sexiness of young, running QB's, I guess.

Without question. The hot cool thing is running

If that is what you are the beat at. You will not win for long

tjforce · 08-24-2021, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

Without question. The hot cool thing is running

If that is what you are the beat at. You will not win for long

People have trouble differentiating Football good vs Fantasy good.

Kyler is a fantasy football beast. That team will air it out, let him run it, and not feed the running backs a whole lot. That's great for fantasy but doesn't always translate into wins.

I'd have a hard time in real football ranking Kyler that much higher than Baker Mayfield... but in Fantasy.. Murray by a mile.

jplarson · 08-24-2021, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wensel888

Winston is either gonna be a trainwreck or play great. It's feast or famine with him.

He's the living embodiment of ESPN's 30 and 30.

biggieruth · 08-24-2021, 05:28 PM

I got a real real Dark horse Sam Darnold.He's going to have good year regardless do to the Panthers running game and play-action formations hes playing out of. I think he can do big things down here in Carolina.

JeremyNick · 08-24-2021, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

He's the living embodiment of ESPN's 33 and 30.

Check your stats

lambeauleap87 · 08-24-2021, 06:32 PM

Aaron Rodgers because he'll repeat.

Aaron Rodgers because he's going to go scorched Earth, throw 60 TDs, and then force his way out of Green Bay just for the lulz.

Aaron Rodgers because I'm a homer.

Take your pick.

MarsAttacks · 08-24-2021, 07:23 PM

Herbert should be on the list.

Gthompson1978 · 08-24-2021, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

Aaron Rodgers because he'll repeat.

Aaron Rodgers because he's going to go scorched Earth, throw 60 TDs, and then force his way out of Green Bay just for the lulz.

Aaron Rodgers because I'm a homer.

Take your pick.

I said the same thing in shorter terms on the 1st page, and I agree

jplarson · 08-24-2021, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Check your stats

I triple checked looks good.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_for_30

2010GBPackers · 08-25-2021, 06:59 AM

It's really hard to see anyone other than Rodgers or Mahomes win it. The QB position is just too important. I'd give Josh Allen an outside chance as well. My dark horse is Matthew Stafford.

Who knows, though? There are always 2-3 teams who pop up out of nowhere and are crazy good.

JeremyNick · 08-25-2021, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

I triple checked looks good.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_for_30

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JMTerp · 08-25-2021, 07:43 AM

I've had the chance to watch Arizona quite a bit during Murray's first two seasons. He's definitely exceeded all expectations I had from him coming out of college as passer w/ reading defenses and overall accuracy. I think he will end up much more in line with Russell Wilson as to how his running game extrapolates out over his career where it's more of an ancillary weapon and not as big a factor as it is now. That said, I don't know if I see Kyler as an MVP candidate this year but I think he's on his way and think people are sleeping on Arizona as a possible top 3 team in the NFC.

For MVP this year I'll go the boring route and say Mahomes is my front runner. There's definitely a possibility that team loses more games than expected this year and he gets penalized for it in lack of MVP votes in a Lebron Syndrome type situation.

jplarson · 08-25-2021, 07:46 AM

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Eckstein197 · 08-25-2021, 07:47 AM

Brady will win it as part great season, part lifetime achievement award as the Bucs blitz through the regular season with a 14-3/15-2 record and a 1 seed in the NFC

JeremyNick · 08-25-2021, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

Lol.

Yea. The Jameis episode would be called “33 and 30”

cavsfan70 · 08-25-2021, 08:01 AM

Josh Allen, see ya in February.

Siberian13 · 08-25-2021, 08:15 AM

Jose Canseco is in the 42 40 club not the 40 40 club. I assume that’s what he’s getting at with Jameis

JeremyNick · 08-25-2021, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

Jose Canseco is in the 42 40 club not the 40 40 club. I assume that’s what he’s getting at with Jameis

You’re pretty quick today.

Above the Rim · 08-25-2021, 01:38 PM

Derrick Henry. Odds are against him. Other true greats have not done so well in years past their 2,000 yard season. But should King Henry do it again - something never done in the entire history of the NFL, gotta show him some respect and award him MVP.

Siberian13 · 08-25-2021, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Above the Rim

Derrick Henry. Odds are against him. Other true greats have not done so well in years past their 2,000 yard season. But should King Henry do it again - something never done in the entire history of the NFL, gotta show him some respect and award him MVP.

The league just keeps getting more and more pass happy and QB friendly so it will take something crazy to get it done from Non-QB players. Henry went over 2000 yards rushing and didn’t get a single MVP vote right?

tjforce · 08-25-2021, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

The league just keeps getting more and more pass happy and QB friendly so it will take something crazy to get it done from Non-QB players. Henry went over 2000 yards rushing and didn’t get a single MVP vote right?

Correct...

Last years voting went:

Rodgers: 44
Josh Allen: 4
Mahomes: 2

I found the fact that Allen had more votes than Mahomes to be insane considering that Mahomes:

-had more passing yards
-more TDs thrown
-less INTs
-higher passer rating
-higher QBR
-the best record in NFL
-Outplayed Allen head to head

All in 1 less game since the Chiefs had the 1 seed wrapped up.

The recency bias was strong last year... so keep that in mind about this season as well.

bamafan3559 · 08-25-2021, 03:34 PM

Tua. Miami will sweep New England, split with Buffalo and win 13/14 games. Tua throws for 4200-4500 and 35-40 TDs.

Homer pick, but whatever.

asujbl · 08-25-2021, 04:33 PM

Obviously Baker… unless he hands it to Chubb more often

Then Chubb

Or Myles when he gets 20

Siberian13 · 08-25-2021, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Obviously Baker… unless he hands it to Chubb more often

Then Chubb

Or Myles when he gets 20

I know I listed other as an option. But I should have listed Browns and Falcons not included.

asujbl · 08-25-2021, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

I know I listed other as an option. But I should have listed Browns and Falcons not included.

Baker is 12 for a reason

I’ve thrown some $$ down

View Poll Results: Who wins MVP?
Patrick Mahomes	25	22.32%
Aaron Rodgers	14	12.50%
Russell Wilson	7	6.25%
Dak Prescott	6	5.36%
Kyler Murray	4	3.57%
Lamar Jackson	3	2.68%
Josh Allen	26	23.21%
Tom Brady	17	15.18%
Christian McCaffrwy	1	0.89%
Other: List who you got	9	8.04%
Voters: 112. You may not vote on this poll

08-24-2021, 06:32 PM	#31
lambeauleap87 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 24,744 LL87	Aaron Rodgers because he'll repeat. Aaron Rodgers because he's going to go scorched Earth, throw 60 TDs, and then force his way out of Green Bay just for the lulz. Aaron Rodgers because I'm a homer. Take your pick. __________________ I collect Packers, former Ohio State Buckeyes, Blue Jackets, and Cleveland Indians/Guardians.

08-25-2021, 06:59 AM	#35
2010GBPackers Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,366	It's really hard to see anyone other than Rodgers or Mahomes win it. The QB position is just too important. I'd give Josh Allen an outside chance as well. My dark horse is Matthew Stafford. Who knows, though? There are always 2-3 teams who pop up out of nowhere and are crazy good. __________________ "And more and more and more and more And more of less than ever before It's just too much more for your mind to absorb" - Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) Instagram: 2010gbpackers

08-25-2021, 07:47 AM	#39
Eckstein197 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 14,793 pmwrestler220 Eckstein184	Brady will win it as part great season, part lifetime achievement award as the Bucs blitz through the regular season with a 14-3/15-2 record and a 1 seed in the NFC __________________ Favorite teams: TB Bucs, MIN Twins, DET Red Wings PC's: Kyle Snyder, Alstott, Tristan Wirfs, Hasek, Moritz Seider, OL/K/P/FB Contenders Autos, Red Wings Young Guns, Vintage Pokémon, NCAA Bowl Patches

08-25-2021, 01:38 PM	#44
Above the Rim Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 762	I will vote "other" Derrick Henry. Odds are against him. Other true greats have not done so well in years past their 2,000 yard season. But should King Henry do it again - something never done in the entire history of the NFL, gotta show him some respect and award him MVP.

08-24-2021, 05:28 PM	#29
biggieruth Banned Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Raleigh N.C. Posts: 1,720 dolomitebiggie biggieruth	I got a real real Dark horse Sam Darnold.He's going to have good year regardless do to the Panthers running game and play-action formations hes playing out of. I think he can do big things down here in Carolina.

08-24-2021, 07:23 PM	#32
MarsAttacks Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 319	Herbert should be on the list.

08-25-2021, 07:43 AM	#37
JMTerp Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 834	I've had the chance to watch Arizona quite a bit during Murray's first two seasons. He's definitely exceeded all expectations I had from him coming out of college as passer w/ reading defenses and overall accuracy. I think he will end up much more in line with Russell Wilson as to how his running game extrapolates out over his career where it's more of an ancillary weapon and not as big a factor as it is now. That said, I don't know if I see Kyler as an MVP candidate this year but I think he's on his way and think people are sleeping on Arizona as a possible top 3 team in the NFC. For MVP this year I'll go the boring route and say Mahomes is my front runner. There's definitely a possibility that team loses more games than expected this year and he gets penalized for it in lack of MVP votes in a Lebron Syndrome type situation.

08-25-2021, 08:01 AM	#41
cavsfan70 Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: OH > TN > NC Posts: 1,195 nosebleed70 bigcontracts	Josh Allen, see ya in February.

08-25-2021, 08:15 AM	#42
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 78,862 shiller13	Jose Canseco is in the 42 40 club not the 40 40 club. I assume that’s what he’s getting at with Jameis

08-25-2021, 03:34 PM	#47
bamafan3559 Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: On the Internet Posts: 1,435 bamafan3559	Tua. Miami will sweep New England, split with Buffalo and win 13/14 games. Tua throws for 4200-4500 and 35-40 TDs. Homer pick, but whatever.

08-25-2021, 04:33 PM	#48
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 63,372 ohiosundevils	Obviously Baker… unless he hands it to Chubb more often Then Chubb Or Myles when he gets 20 __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”