Yordan Alvarez

[michaelstcloud]

Originally Posted by BBases31

The Yordan market has gone down every single month since April. It's incredible the cognitive dissonance on here. There is always seasonal softening. Then why was he called cheap and a great buy over and over and over throughout the season? People thought he would just overcome the "seasonality"? If Yordan was the 5th best hitter and not the 24th, his cards would not be at this level. His cards are are this cheap because he's not performing well enough for people to want to buy an Astros DH with an injury history, that's the bottom line. If you believe he will live up to his potential and be a top 5 hitter, which he absolutely can be, then now he is a great buy

Sotos cards have been on a decline all year even given his second half revitalization. US300 PSA 10s selling for $120 last week. They were just picking back up this week as he entered the batting title race. The market has been selling off since June, there was an analysis video posted some time ago showing every players prices are down atleast 30% minus ohtani and vlad jr from just 3 months ago.


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Lol his OF defense literally cost them this game. Have you seen the balls Chase McCormick has been catching this game? They were up 3-0 and the Angels had bases loaded 1 out in the 7th and there was a soft line drive hit to Yordan that he stopped and let it drop in front of him. It was the right move to not risk it when you're not a good fielder but McCormick or even a halfway decent fielder goes for the ball and easily gets that catch.

Alot of people think an OFer is "competent" off the eye test if they're not making errors. It's actually the least important component of outfield defense and the most important is how often an OFer turns would be hits into outs. Yordan is turning zero hits into outs in his current form. He's turning outs into hits. There's no reason he can't become a decent defender, but his defense is well below average right now

I don’t know that Rickey Henderson or Barry Bonds would’ve caught that. (The reference being that they were a couple of great left fielders, in case you weren’t aware.) That was very much a routine line-drive single to left that was not feasibly catchable.

But that was just one play in a 5-run inning that was largely facilitated by lackluster pitching and a couple of key hits down the lines. Oh, and the game isn’t over. In fact, it’s tied. So, it defies the space-time continuum to say that Yordan lost the game because he didn’t catch an uncatchable ball in what is an on-going, tied game.

But, as always, thank you for your contribution. Even if you have no idea what you’re talking about… Thank you.


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[michaelstcloud]

Originally Posted by BBases31

The Yordan market has gone down every single month since April. It's incredible the cognitive dissonance on here. There is always seasonal softening. Then why was he called cheap and a great buy over and over and over throughout the season? People thought he would just overcome the "seasonality"? If Yordan was the 5th best hitter and not the 24th, his cards would not be at this level. His cards are are this cheap because he's not performing well enough for people to want to buy an Astros DH with an injury history, that's the bottom line. If you believe he will live up to his potential and be a top 5 hitter, which he absolutely can be, then now he is a great buy

also he technically is the 5th best hitter if you take a larger sample size of the past 3 seasons he ranks top 5 in OPS. And having 3 straight seasons of 900+ OPS (considering he finishes above) shows a level of consistency you almost never see in hitters. He's up there with trout soto acuna and tatis in terms of pure hitting ability. And though his power numbers are down a bit, he showed longevity which I think was the key sign of optimism in Yordan.


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[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by BBases31

It has more to do with no one wanting to pay decent money for the 24th best hitter in the league who's also a DH. His .884 OPS was 24th. Getting in the OF will help him but he's got to hit a whole lot better for his prices to ever go higher. He's got the potential, but at this point people want results

I think you're onto something here. The market has never been big on non-positional players, even phenomenal rakers (see: Edgar).


Would like him shift to the OF full time eventually.

[Bambino22]

Have not followed any price tracking at all like you guys. But 30% decline sounds about right. Glad I held all my Sotos! I make a ton of other mistakes but holding is not one of them. Clicking buy it now immediately, maybe so.

Yordan is still super young. I'm happy to wait and see him outgrow the hatred against the Astros system. He had nothing to do with that scandal. And although I am upset with the Astros, their market hatred has benefited all Yordan collectors.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by michaelstcloud

Sotos cards have been on a decline all year even given his second half revitalization. US300 PSA 10s selling for $120 last week. They were just picking back up this week as he entered the batting title race. The market has been selling off since June, there was an analysis video posted some time ago showing every players prices are down atleast 30% minus ohtani and vlad jr from just 3 months ago.

Every Update PSA 10 is down. Soto's PSA 10 TCUs are the same they were last November.

If you bought Yordan Alvarez at ANY time since he was called up 2 and a half years you are underwater by alot. Think about that. He's had a damn good start to a career but you got killed if you bought his cards at any point. Just turned 24 with a career line of .291, .955!! OPS, and 59 HRs in 223 games. Yet his cards are at rock bottom. If he played the field and was on any other team, his cards would be at least double where they are now. This thread has continually underrated and still hasn't accepted the fact of how incredibly high his performance needs to be as an Astros DH to command high prices.

He had an incredible baseball year for a 24 year-old. *Baseball* year. Extremely baseball good, not card good. There's no arguing that fact when his cards are currently at an all time low. You guys can yell at the sky all you want making excuses and the denying the "why" but the reality is his prices are where they are

[Nostalgia]

Just checked the pop report on that 2020 topps chrome....over 2300 psa 10 already.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

Just checked the pop report on that 2020 topps chrome....over 2300 psa 10 already.

#JUNKSLABERA

confirmed.

[michaelstcloud]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Every Update PSA 10 is down. Soto's PSA 10 TCUs are the same they were last November.

If you bought Yordan Alvarez at ANY time since he was called up 2 and a half years you are underwater by alot. Think about that. He's had a damn good start to a career but you got killed if you bought his cards at any point. Just turned 24 with a career line of .291, .955!! OPS, and 59 HRs in 223 games. Yet his cards are at rock bottom. If he played the field and was on any other team, his cards would be at least double where they are now. This thread has continually underrated and still hasn't accepted the fact of how incredibly high his performance needs to be as an Astros DH to command high prices.

He had an incredible baseball year for a 24 year-old. *Baseball* year. Extremely baseball good, not card good. There's no arguing that fact when his cards are currently at an all time low

I just more recently got into Yordan and I think it's because the astros plan is to move him into the OF eventually once his knees fully recover. No team wants a young hitter on full time DH duties.

Once they do, we can see what kind of player potential he has.


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[michaelstcloud]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Every Update PSA 10 is down. Soto's PSA 10 TCUs are the same they were last November.

If you bought Yordan Alvarez at ANY time since he was called up 2 and a half years you are underwater by alot. Think about that. He's had a damn good start to a career but you got killed if you bought his cards at any point. Just turned 24 with a career line of .291, .955!! OPS, and 59 HRs in 223 games. Yet his cards are at rock bottom. If he played the field and was on any other team, his cards would be at least double where they are now. This thread has continually underrated and still hasn't accepted the fact of how incredibly high his performance needs to be as an Astros DH to command high prices.

He had an incredible baseball year for a 24 year-old. *Baseball* year. Extremely baseball good, not card good. There's no arguing that fact when his cards are currently at an all time low. You guys can yell at the sky all you want making excuses and the denying the "why" but the reality is his prices are where they are

Honestly, all the 2020 base cards got killed given the PSA returns this year, their high print run, recent submissions caused 2020 pop reports to tripled, which is another consideration. BCAs i think is a better metric and Yordan's have been doing fairly well, I havent been able to snatch a refractor auto but was able to for bo bichette in the upper 300s. So compared to his class I think he's still fairing pretty well, granted i only just got into him this year.


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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by michaelstcloud

I just more recently got into Yordan and I think it's because the astros plan is to move him into the OF eventually once his knees fully recover. No team wants a young hitter on full time DH duties.

That's good that it was recent and that you weren't listening to this thread all season long

Once they do, we can see what kind of player potential he has.

The sky is the limit for how good of a hitter can he be

[michaelstcloud]

this guy just need to get off the astros period lol


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[Bambino22]

Yordan has a great auto compared to alot of other players! I think Bichette is trying but I don't like his auto. Yordan takes the time.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Yordan has a great auto compared to alot of other players! I think Bichette is trying but I don't like his auto. Yordan takes the time.

Gorgeous card

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Every Update PSA 10 is down. Soto's PSA 10 TCUs are the same they were last November.

If you bought Yordan Alvarez at ANY time since he was called up 2 and a half years you are underwater by alot. Think about that. He's had a damn good start to a career but you got killed if you bought his cards at any point. Just turned 24 with a career line of .291, .955!! OPS, and 59 HRs in 223 games. Yet his cards are at rock bottom. If he played the field and was on any other team, his cards would be at least double where they are now. This thread has continually underrated and still hasn't accepted the fact of how incredibly high his performance needs to be as an Astros DH to command high prices.

He had an incredible baseball year for a 24 year-old. *Baseball* year. Extremely baseball good, not card good. There's no arguing that fact when his cards are currently at an all time low. You guys can yell at the sky all you want making excuses and the denying the "why" but the reality is his prices are where they are

Ouch. That hurts. Rock bottom seems harsh.

I bought tons of Yordan. But am not underwater. Why is everything $$$ on recent sales to you guys. Ofcourse their is arguing to that.

You can't compare Yordan updates to Soto updates.

[michaelstcloud]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Ouch. That hurts. Rock bottom seems harsh.

I bought tons of Yordan. But am not underwater. Why is everything $$$ on recent sales to you guys. Ofcourse their is arguing to that.

You can't compare Yordan updates to Soto updates.

rock bottom sounds great to me, i scooped up a red ink heritage rookie auto last week for $280.


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[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Gorgeous card

Thanks BBases31. Really appreciate that comment.

And not calling anyone out. But I could care less on what I paid for that card versus what the market says it's worth.

[Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Yordan has a great auto compared to alot of other players! I think Bichette is trying but I don't like his auto. Yordan takes the time.

What does it say for the yordan autograph?

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by michaelstcloud

rock bottom sounds great to me, i scooped up a red ink heritage rookie auto last week for $280.


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Haha. Ofcourse as a buyer!! Congrats!! I actually just bought a huge heritage 10 mins ago of Yordan. Funny you mention that.

I'll share when I get it.

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

What does it say for the yordan autograph?

It beautifully says Yordadad! I'm a dad, he's a dad. It all comes together.

[michaelstcloud]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Haha. Ofcourse as a buyer!! Congrats!! I actually just bought a huge heritage 10 mins ago of Yordan. Funny you mention that.

I'll share when I get it.

which one??

yep Rock Bottom on Yordan was the best news i heard all day. That means theres no way but up from here right?


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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

But I could care less on what I paid for that card versus what the market says it's worth.

All that matters is what matters to you. I bought a bunch of high end(scarcity wise, not dollar wise) of Griffin Canning and they're probably worth 1/3 of what I bought them at. Don't care at all about the price because it was a fun project to own alot of important cards of a single player.

There's two sides to collecting cards. Most of this board is driven by how stuff is being priced. All of my comments are directed at the market side and obviously nothing against whoever you want to collect for the fun of it.

[rman112]

Michael Yordan.

[michaelstcloud]

luis robert prices are 3x the price of yordan's. In my opinion its much harder to prove u can be a consistent hitter year after year (which yordan has) as opposed to being able to run around the outfield and catch some fly balls. ocassionally make a throw to third or home.


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[michaelstcloud]

also werent kids talkin about buyin up his second year cards last week? howd we go from there back down to rock bottom.


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