Yordan Alvarez

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by michaelstcloud

which one??

yep Rock Bottom on Yordan was the best news i heard all day. That means theres no way but up from here right?


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I was stiffed on auction from my last big Yordan I tried to buy. So will just wait to hopefully get this one. This one was not an auction but we agreed on price and I paid. Will share in a few days.

[whackadoo]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Lol his OF defense literally cost them this game. Have you seen the balls Chase McCormick has been catching this game? They were up 3-0 and the Angels had bases loaded 1 out in the 7th and there was a soft line drive hit to Yordan that he stopped and let it drop in front of him. It was the right move to not risk it when you're not a good fielder but McCormick or even a halfway decent fielder goes for the ball and easily gets that catch.

Alot of people think an OFer is "competent" off the eye test if they're not making errors. It's actually the least important component of outfield defense and the most important is how often an OFer turns would be hits into outs. Yordan is turning zero hits into outs in his current form. He's turning outs into hits. There's no reason he can't become a decent defender, but his defense is well below average right now

"competent".... having the necessary ability, knowledge or skill to do something successfully. acceptable and satisfactory, though not outstanding.

there's one in every crowd...SMH

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

PSA 10 Topps Chrome Rookie just went for $34

I got one for $32 on Sunday...

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Amazing year.

I'm curious if the stigma surrounding the Astros' previous transgressions will forever suppress or put a ceiling on his prices.

There are two distinct and different Yordan markets.

His 2018 BCA hit a massive peak in March, plunged in April and May when he was on the Covid IL twice and missed a few games to have a baby. They hit rock bottom with everybody else in late June-early July and have since bounced back to late April levels...still well off peak but above November 2020. These cards appear to be rising right now.

His 2020 market has two components. The raw market plummeted about 30% with every other raw when PSA shut down. Then it went down a little more with his time off/slow start in April-May and hasn't really recovered.

The PSA 10 2020 market has been in a free fall. I can tell you exactly why that is. There is just too much of it hitting the market right now...and for the foreseeable future. I try and follow along and PSA 10 2020 Yordan just keeps coming and coming and coming. Until that backlog gets cleared there is simply going to be too much Yordan 2020 PSA 10 hitting the market at 99¢ auction for his prices to rise significantly...and when he gets cold...lookout below!

As for his prices overall, I think he was cheap coming into the year so I still think he's cheap. The last time I ran my secret hobby sauce (August 26) Yordan was #9. I imagine he's still in the top 10 and will project in the 5-8 range next year. The only other three guys that I track that are in the top 10 are Vlad (#1), Tatis (#3), and Devers (#4). All are doing better than Yordan. Yordan is just a tad light in HR relative to expectation, especially early in the season (2 HR in March/April). Part of that is missed games. He, much like Kyle Tucker, would be much better off had he started strong and finished weak rather than vice-versa.

[noaskiecards]

Yordan got his 100th rbis with a hr that was hit 456 feet at 116.1 mph, which is okay I guess for such a strong young player.
Once he really starts putting in full swings with full strength and hitting the balls hard, watch out!

I have always said it, but definitely go for numbered cards and low graded pop cards. Even the topps gold being numbered to 2020 makes it a rare card. And being numbered to 2020 from the covid year makes ir kind of iconic. Amazing how cheap it is considering how expensive a box of 2020 topps is and how hard it would be to hit a yordan gold even in a full case.

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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

There are two distinct and different Yordan markets.

His 2018 BCA hit a massive peak in March, plunged in April and May when he was on the Covid IL twice and missed a few games to have a baby. They hit rock bottom with everybody else in late June-early July and have since bounced back to late April levels...still well off peak but above November 2020. These cards appear to be rising right now.

His 2020 market has two components. The raw market plummeted about 30% with every other raw when PSA shut down. Then it went down a little more with his time off/slow start in April-May and hasn't really recovered.

The PSA 10 2020 market has been in a free fall. I can tell you exactly why that is. There is just too much of it hitting the market right now...and for the foreseeable future. I try and follow along and PSA 10 2020 Yordan just keeps coming and coming and coming. Until that backlog gets cleared there is simply going to be too much Yordan 2020 PSA 10 hitting the market at 99¢ auction for his prices to rise significantly...and when he gets cold...lookout below!

As for his prices overall, I think he was cheap coming into the year so I still think he's cheap. The last time I ran my secret hobby sauce (August 26) Yordan was #9. I imagine he's still in the top 10 and will project in the 5-8 range next year. The only other three guys that I track that are in the top 10 are Vlad (#1), Tatis (#3), and Devers (#4). All are doing better than Yordan. Yordan is just a tad light in HR relative to expectation, especially early in the season (2 HR in March/April). Part of that is missed games. He, much like Kyle Tucker, would be much better off had he started strong and finished weak rather than vice-versa.

A big part of it, which was said during an Astros broadcast in the past few weeks, was that Yordan wasn't putting a lot of downforce on his knee during the first half of the year and instead was just slapping the ball. That's when he had a very high BA, but much fewer home runs than anticipated. He did this due to wanting to take it light on his knee until he could build up some strength over the course of the season. I think they said he started putting more force on it from June or July onward (can't remember which one).

The problem with looking at this year in a vacuum is that it is a recovery year for Yordan after his knee surgeries. Ultimately, his stats probably don't reflect his full ability considering that, but they're still very good regardless. The scary thing is, once he goes a full year healthy, what's his ceiling? I don't think we've seen it yet.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Splitting hairs… They’re both beautiful! What really stands out about the autos is that they actually take up some real estate on the card. That’s quite unusual for a Yordan signature.

All the elements really came together for this card. It’s a perfect blend of vintage design and modern chrome, with the right image.


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Your PMs are full...

[koneil]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Lol his OF defense literally cost them this game. Have you seen the balls Chase McCormick has been catching this game? They were up 3-0 and the Angels had bases loaded 1 out in the 7th and there was a soft line drive hit to Yordan that he stopped and let it drop in front of him. It was the right move to not risk it when you're not a good fielder but McCormick or even a halfway decent fielder goes for the ball and easily gets that catch.

Alot of people think an OFer is "competent" off the eye test if they're not making errors. It's actually the least important component of outfield defense and the most important is how often an OFer turns would be hits into outs. Yordan is turning zero hits into outs in his current form. He's turning outs into hits. There's no reason he can't become a decent defender, but his defense is well below average right now

Rengifo's 7th inning single had an XBA of .910

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

There are two distinct and different Yordan markets.

His 2018 BCA hit a massive peak in March, plunged in April and May when he was on the Covid IL twice and missed a few games to have a baby. They hit rock bottom with everybody else in late June-early July and have since bounced back to late April levels...still well off peak but above November 2020. These cards appear to be rising right now.

His 2020 market has two components. The raw market plummeted about 30% with every other raw when PSA shut down. Then it went down a little more with his time off/slow start in April-May and hasn't really recovered.

The PSA 10 2020 market has been in a free fall. I can tell you exactly why that is. There is just too much of it hitting the market right now...and for the foreseeable future. I try and follow along and PSA 10 2020 Yordan just keeps coming and coming and coming. Until that backlog gets cleared there is simply going to be too much Yordan 2020 PSA 10 hitting the market at 99¢ auction for his prices to rise significantly...and when he gets cold...lookout below!

As for his prices overall, I think he was cheap coming into the year so I still think he's cheap. The last time I ran my secret hobby sauce (August 26) Yordan was #9. I imagine he's still in the top 10 and will project in the 5-8 range next year. The only other three guys that I track that are in the top 10 are Vlad (#1), Tatis (#3), and Devers (#4). All are doing better than Yordan. Yordan is just a tad light in HR relative to expectation, especially early in the season (2 HR in March/April). Part of that is missed games. He, much like Kyle Tucker, would be much better off had he started strong and finished weak rather than vice-versa.

*Cut to Bo Bichette sadly nodding in agreement*

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

*Cut to Bo Bichette sadly nodding in agreement*

I think it's a combination of most the rookie class being injured the first part of the year and PSA shutting down.

[Melagoo]

Yordan Alvarez made an early exit from Wednesday's game against the Angels due to general soreness.

... this is what old school players laugh at ... George Brett would call Yordan a wimp ... or Nolan Ryan would just laugh at him and say get out here and hit another homer ... NHL hockey players play in pain nearly half the season ...

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by Melagoo

... this is what old school players laugh at ... George Brett would call Yordan a wimp ... or Nolan Ryan would just laugh at him and say get out here and hit another homer ... NHL hockey players play in pain nearly half the season ...

Except you don't know if Dusty Baker made that call, or the trainer. You're quick to assume it's Yordan's call alone.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by Melagoo

... this is what old school players laugh at ... George Brett would call Yordan a wimp ... or Nolan Ryan would just laugh at him and say get out here and hit another homer ... NHL hockey players play in pain nearly half the season ...

Ah yes, the ol' "my dad is tougher than your dad" under the guise of "my sport is tougher than your sport."

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by koneil

Rengifo's 7th inning single had an XBA of .910

xBA does not take into account where the fielder is positioned, it's just a pure function of launch angle and EV. Astros had Yordan playing shallow on that AB, presumably because Rengifo has so little power

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

*Cut to Bo Bichette sadly nodding in agreement*

What about Lou Bob?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

What about Lou Bob?

His percentage drop hasn’t been as big as Bichette’s through. At least on the cards I follow, you might have more info on this about than me.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

His percentage drop hasn’t been as big as Bichette’s through. At least on the cards I follow, you might have more info on this about than me.

I haven't followed Lou Bob's 2020 stuff at all and barely Bobichette. I just put their BCA in to the index. LouBob is up 33% since late June, Bobichette is down 8%.

[BGeezy]

Yordan just legged out an infield single!

[thecardscout]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

I haven't followed Lou Bob's 2020 stuff at all and barely Bobichette. I just put their BCA in to the index. LouBob is up 33% since late June, Bobichette is down 8%.

speaking out lou bob, bichette. That triple SSSP of them in topps is a super sneaky card. I think there are less than 20 of those that exist.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by thecardscout

speaking out lou bob, bichette. That triple SSSP of them in topps is a super sneaky card. I think there are less than 20 of those that exist.

What, this guy? I would sure love that, but I thought it was more like 50…



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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

What, this guy? I would sure love that, but I thought it was more like 50…



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You dirty dog, did you pull it or pony up?

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

You dirty dog, did you pull it or pony up?

I ponied up. I bought one of the first ones to hit ebay last year. It just screamed upward potential.

Of course, it was one of a few purchases that financially prevented me from snagging the Vlad TC superfractor for $6k a year ago. But hey, I can live with consolation prizes…


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[getupkid]

I have purchased 100's of high end Yordan's.. Not the base chrome or topps... But Diamond Icons, Transcendent, Chrome Black, Rare Chrome color, Autos of all kind. Many are sitting at PSA in the back log. I still feel he is the best priced long term prospect in the last 5 years... Mature hitter that commands each at bat. Usually doesn't swing at garbage (like Lou Bob) and has incredible power. Just need Houston to perform well on a National Stage and I think he will slowly start rising... Truly believe the sky's the limit. Right now is a great time to buy... PSA 10's going cheap

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I ponied up. I bought one of the first ones to hit ebay last year. It just screamed upward potential.

Of course, it was one of a few purchases that financially prevented me from snagging the Vlad TC superfractor for $6k a year ago. But hey, I can live with consolation prizes…


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[Onepocketj]

Parents are in town so I took them to the suite to see Yordan. They were giving these away so ended up with four of them -