Topps out---Fanatics in - Page 94

80s Kid · 10-01-2021, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Kids can't afford cards any more...their daddies have to buy everything for them.

When I was a teenager (the 80's), it took me roughly 1-2 hours of work to earn enough money to buy a box of 540 cards.

Can't say that for today's kids....

Kids can afford cards. They just have a lot of other options to spend their money on.

k13 · 10-01-2021, 10:04 AM

There's way more kids with rich parents than ever before.
You'd be surprised what you see at the LCS.

chezball · 10-01-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Thank you. Crosby 87 sounded like an old man quoting "book value" there. I don't care what the state says minimum wage is...we all know the real minimum wage in 2021 since it is plastered outside of every business right now. If you aren't making at least $15, quit your job and walk next door.

I even saw a new sign yesterday: "Name your wage".

What he said is actually true, I checked to see if he was right.
Are there cities that have a $15 minimum wage, yes.

auctionjmm · 10-02-2021, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by chezball

What he said is actually true, I checked to see if he was right.
Are there cities that have a $15 minimum wage, yes.

The point went over your and Crosby's heads. Obviously no states have a minimum wage law of $15. The original poster said "effectively" meaning that the businesses themselves have created a new minimum wage in 2021 by competing with each other for employees. Nobody can actually pay minimum wage right now because they would lose their entire staff. Can we call it "minimum advertised wage"?

My book value pun was relevant in that if Beckett has a BV of $10 for a card that consistently sells for $20 on eBay, the BV is irrelevant. If all businesses are paying $15+ to compete for employees but the minimum wage in the state is $7.75, then minimum wage becomes irrelevant.

CicadaMound · 10-12-2021, 09:26 PM

We all missed a very important Wall Street Journal article from October 6 - apparently the (presidents of the) MLB and NFL players' unions were the driving force behind the Fanatics deal.

The Player-Led Venture That Turned Trading Cards Upside Down

(archived version)

OneTeam Partners has deals with the MLBPA, NFLPA, MLSPA, WNBPA, USWNT Players Association, and the United States Rugby Players Association, at least.

Two immediate takeaways from the article -

The MLBPA's OneTeam stake could be used as a war chest for the upcoming CBA negotiations.
OneTeam was involved with renegotiating the WNBPA's license with Panini - OneTeam has a stake in Fanatics but is open to dealing with other card companies.

Their current website is joinoneteam.com, and right now it's a mess of html. They don't own oneteampartners.com or oneteam.com.

BaseballKing · 10-12-2021, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CicadaMound

We all missed a very important Wall Street Journal article from October 6 - apparently the (presidents of the) MLB and NFL players' unions were the driving force behind the Fanatics deal.

The Player-Led Venture That Turned Trading Cards Upside Down

(archived version)

OneTeam Partners has deals with the MLBPA, NFLPA, MLSPA, WNBPA, USWNT Players Association, and the United States Rugby Players Association, at least.

Two immediate takeaways from the article -

The MLBPA's OneTeam stake could be used as a war chest for the upcoming CBA negotiations.
OneTeam was involved with renegotiating the WNBPA's license with Panini - OneTeam has a stake in Fanatics but is open to dealing with other card companies.

Their current website is joinoneteam.com, and right now it's a mess of html. They don't own oneteampartners.com or oneteam.com.

Interesting. There's undoubtedly a lot of machinations behind the scenes that we are not going to be privy to, but all I want to know is whether there will be Bowman/chrome/Draft and flagship.

Archangel1775 · 10-12-2021, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CicadaMound

We all missed a very important Wall Street Journal article from October 6 - apparently the (presidents of the) MLB and NFL players' unions were the driving force behind the Fanatics deal.

The Player-Led Venture That Turned Trading Cards Upside Down

(archived version)

OneTeam Partners has deals with the MLBPA, NFLPA, MLSPA, WNBPA, USWNT Players Association, and the United States Rugby Players Association, at least.

Two immediate takeaways from the article -

The MLBPA's OneTeam stake could be used as a war chest for the upcoming CBA negotiations.
OneTeam was involved with renegotiating the WNBPA's license with Panini - OneTeam has a stake in Fanatics but is open to dealing with other card companies.

Their current website is joinoneteam.com, and right now it's a mess of html. They don't own oneteampartners.com or oneteam.com.

Are those latter exclusive deals? It's one thing for an unknown company to make a deal with these associations, exclusive or not, but another to churn out trading cards is different. Panini and Topps already have worldwide distribution and overseas footprints. At some point, throwing money around but not having substance to what you're promising is dot.com-like.
Also, let's be honest, whether it's NFT's or trading cards, the latter sports have a limited demand and realistically you're talking maybe 2 card sets per year.

golakers32 · 10-13-2021, 01:17 AM

This quote from the article stands out: “The baseball players were betting that card collectors could move past Topps, the brand that had become entrenched over more than half a century.”

I’m a 45 year old curmudgeon stuck in my ways. Not sure I can move past Topps, but then again also not the target demo. Sigh.

glassofwater · 10-13-2021, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by golakers32

This quote from the article stands out: “The baseball players were betting that card collectors could move past Topps, the brand that had become entrenched over more than half a century.”

I’m a 45 year old curmudgeon stuck in my ways. Not sure I can move past Topps, but then again also not the target demo. Sigh.

what happens if people dont move on past topps.

its funny i was watching commentary about the field of dream game. what they kept on mentioning was that what baseball has that no other sport has is its rich history.

BaseballKing · 10-13-2021, 01:37 AM

It's not very often I have to resort to a dictionary to look up a word. I'm old but not bad tempered.

Unfortunately I think you are 100% correct when you say we are not the target demographic. Those will be extremely wealthy people( I suspect their high end stuff will make Trancendent look cheap and nasty), entrepreneurs, investors and flippers. They will push NFT's heavily.

And they will cater to the low end of the market by producing Opening Day/Big League type products with a print run of 10 million base cards per player - something for everyone.

I for one will not "get over" Topps.

JRX · 10-13-2021, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by golakers32

This quote from the article stands out: “The baseball players were betting that card collectors could move past Topps, the brand that had become entrenched over more than half a century.”

I’m a 45 year old curmudgeon stuck in my ways. Not sure I can move past Topps, but then again also not the target demo. Sigh.

This kind of shows that they have no respect for their customers. Should work out well for them.

ewokpelts · 10-25-2021, 01:26 PM

Looks like UD re-upped with the NHL.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolsc...XgdX5KuNK6ASfo

txrngr34 · 10-25-2021, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ewokpelts

Looks like UD re-upped with the NHL.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolsc...XgdX5KuNK6ASfo

I like it.

But I also think the NHL and union are basically telling UD to up their game if they want to keep it going.

In five years the NHL will have a good idea of whether or not Fanatics is able to take up the mantle of Topps and Panini.

I view it similar to a player's one-year prove-it deal, except due to when Fanatics takes over, it's five years.

At the end of five years, it'd be easy for the NHL to jump onto the Fanatics Death Star.

creasecollector · 10-25-2021, 03:36 PM

I'm glad UD still has hockey. I hope they can do something good with this extension.

MoreToppsPlease · 10-25-2021, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballKing

It's not very often I have to resort to a dictionary to look up a word. I'm old but not bad tempered.

Unfortunately I think you are 100% correct when you say we are not the target demographic. Those will be extremely wealthy people( I suspect their high end stuff will make Trancendent look cheap and nasty), entrepreneurs, investors and flippers. They will push NFT's heavily.

And they will cater to the low end of the market by producing Opening Day/Big League type products with a print run of 10 million base cards per player - something for everyone.

I for one will not "get over" Topps.

I’ve a feeling there will be much more government oversight if it goes in that direction, as there should be.

It will be easier to manage those flipping folks who you describe who want no oversight simply because Fanatics will be able to vertically control almost everything.

AwesomeBrian · 10-25-2021, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by creasecollector

I'm glad UD still has hockey. I hope they can do something good with this extension.

Odd timing as they just cancelled some releases and pushed back others. Hockey (unfortunately) already on the hobby backburner, didn't need to be pushed totally off the stove but it's pretty darn close

wood minis · 10-25-2021, 04:24 PM

Anyone offering insight into what happens during the gap when Topps has the MLB license but not the MLBPA license?

JRX · 10-25-2021, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

Anyone offering insight into what happens during the gap when Topps has the MLB license but not the MLBPA license?

Unclear.

Topps: MLB license no MLBPA license = bowman products and retirees / hof
Fanatics: MLBPA license, no MLB license = panini style cards

PumpnDumpling · 10-25-2021, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

Unclear.

Topps: MLB license no MLBPA license = bowman products and retirees / hof
Fanatics: MLBPA license, no MLB license = panini style cards

Can they not just sign individual contracts with players like they used to and eschew the MLBPA almost entirely?

rexvos · 10-25-2021, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

Can they not just sign individual contracts with players like they used to and eschew the MLBPA almost entirely?

all is yet to be played out. Just speculation at this point where it will be in a few years once hands change.

AnthonyT · 10-25-2021, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

Anyone offering insight into what happens during the gap when Topps has the MLB license but not the MLBPA license?

Remember the Fleer logo stickers you would get in every pack or set? Yeah. Imagine an entire pack of that. Except with parallels, chromes and 1/1's.

Bcr · 10-25-2021, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

Anyone offering insight into what happens during the gap when Topps has the MLB license but not the MLBPA license?

There is always the potential that Fanatics buys out Topps to bridge the gap. That is probably the best case scenario at this point.

AnthonyT · 10-25-2021, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bcr

There is always the potential that Fanatics buys out Topps to bridge the gap. That is probably the best case scenario at this point.

I forget where I read it, but it does not sound like that scenario will happen. Fanatics wants to start with their own card and design, and have direct to consumer offerings. Basically controlling the product. That could be wrong or change by the time it actually happens, no one with any official capacity has made any comments.

cj828282 · 10-25-2021, 08:25 PM

I don't think Fanatics will buy out Topps but will probably take some of their talent.

Seitas · 10-25-2021, 08:39 PM

It seems like a major component to fanatics business plan is to go straight to consumers. Something Topps could’ve and probably should’ve done years ago. I know the argument is that you need distributors to buy and sell all of the less desirable product…how about DONT produce the junk that doesn’t sell?
I think when we look back at this years down the road we will see that Topps failed to adjust to the evolving market and worked an antiquated business model into the ground.

10-12-2021, 09:26 PM	#2330
CicadaMound Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Ohio Posts: 578 CicadaMound	We all missed a very important Wall Street Journal article from October 6 - apparently the (presidents of the) MLB and NFL players' unions were the driving force behind the Fanatics deal. The Player-Led Venture That Turned Trading Cards Upside Down (archived version) OneTeam Partners has deals with the MLBPA, NFLPA, MLSPA, WNBPA, USWNT Players Association, and the United States Rugby Players Association, at least. Two immediate takeaways from the article - The MLBPA's OneTeam stake could be used as a war chest for the upcoming CBA negotiations. OneTeam was involved with renegotiating the WNBPA's license with Panini - OneTeam has a stake in Fanatics but is open to dealing with other card companies. Their current website is joinoneteam.com, and right now it's a mess of html. They don't own oneteampartners.com or oneteam.com. Last edited by CicadaMound; 10-12-2021 at 09:28 PM. Reason: clarification

10-25-2021, 03:36 PM	#2339
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10-25-2021, 04:24 PM	#2342
wood minis Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 4,093	Anyone offering insight into what happens during the gap when Topps has the MLB license but not the MLBPA license? __________________ Allen & Ginter wood mini collector

10-01-2021, 10:04 AM	#2327
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	There's way more kids with rich parents than ever before. You'd be surprised what you see at the LCS.

10-13-2021, 01:17 AM	#2333
golakers32 Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 326	This quote from the article stands out: “The baseball players were betting that card collectors could move past Topps, the brand that had become entrenched over more than half a century.” I’m a 45 year old curmudgeon stuck in my ways. Not sure I can move past Topps, but then again also not the target demo. Sigh.

10-13-2021, 01:37 AM	#2335
BaseballKing Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: I got banned from BO/God bless you all Posts: 1,941	It's not very often I have to resort to a dictionary to look up a word. I'm old but not bad tempered. Unfortunately I think you are 100% correct when you say we are not the target demographic. Those will be extremely wealthy people( I suspect their high end stuff will make Trancendent look cheap and nasty), entrepreneurs, investors and flippers. They will push NFT's heavily. And they will cater to the low end of the market by producing Opening Day/Big League type products with a print run of 10 million base cards per player - something for everyone. I for one will not "get over" Topps.

10-25-2021, 01:26 PM	#2337
ewokpelts Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Evergreen Park, IL Posts: 4,155 asg2003ws2005	Looks like UD re-upped with the NHL. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolsc...XgdX5KuNK6ASfo

10-25-2021, 08:25 PM	#2349
cj828282 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 13,967	I don't think Fanatics will buy out Topps but will probably take some of their talent.

10-25-2021, 08:39 PM	#2350
Seitas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Fresno, Ca Posts: 741	It seems like a major component to fanatics business plan is to go straight to consumers. Something Topps could’ve and probably should’ve done years ago. I know the argument is that you need distributors to buy and sell all of the less desirable product…how about DONT produce the junk that doesn’t sell? I think when we look back at this years down the road we will see that Topps failed to adjust to the evolving market and worked an antiquated business model into the ground.