Yordan Alvarez

[LittleJimmies]

As someone who grew up in Chicago on Frank Thomas and still holds him as my favorite athlete ever, I like the Yordan comparison in terms of what kind of hobby love he could get/continue to get. While I don't think there will ever be another hitter like Frank Thomas (gigantic awe-inspiring man with plate discipline and hitting ability second to none), Yordan does bring a similar must-watch dynamic to the plate. What can get lost in just looking at stats with Yordan (even though those are still great) is that he is in my opinion the most fun hitter to simply watch hit. Big strong guy with a great fluid swing, and just destroys baseballs. Like many in here, I think Yordan has 1.000 OPS seasons in him. But even if he doesn't reach those heights, he will still get lots of love because he's just a super fun hitter to watch. No further evidence needed than this thread. The majority of the talk is just about loving following Yordan. There is investment talk, but much less than most player threads. People just like Yordan.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

As someone who grew up in Chicago on Frank Thomas and still holds him as my favorite athlete ever, I like the Yordan comparison in terms of what kind of hobby love he could get/continue to get. While I don't think there will ever be another hitter like Frank Thomas (gigantic awe-inspiring man with plate discipline and hitting ability second to none), Yordan does bring a similar must-watch dynamic to the plate. What can get lost in just looking at stats with Yordan (even though those are still great) is that he is in my opinion the most fun hitter to simply watch hit. Big strong guy with a great fluid swing, and just destroys baseballs. Like many in here, I think Yordan has 1.000 OPS seasons in him. But even if he doesn't reach those heights, he will still get lots of love because he's just a super fun hitter to watch. No further evidence needed than this thread. The majority of the talk is just about loving following Yordan. There is investment talk, but much less than most player threads. People just like Yordan.

sox fan here. The way I see frank in his prime, and even up to his last great year(2003) was that he was dangerous. You never knew what would happen, good or bad. Like the 18 pitch strikeout vs pedro Martinez in 2003, or the constant barrage of line drive doubles to deep center that would have been homers if it lifted just a few feet higher.


Would you you say the same of yordan?

[callou2131]

His last at bat, the 3 pitch strikeout, he looked completely lost. Don't know what happened. A week ago, he wouldn't have swung at any of those 3 pitches.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

sox fan here. The way I see frank in his prime, and even up to his last great year(2003) was that he was dangerous. You never knew what would happen, good or bad. Like the 18 pitch strikeout vs pedro Martinez in 2003, or the constant barrage of line drive doubles to deep center that would have been homers if it lifted just a few feet higher.


Would you you say the same of yordan?

I was just watching an AB that got to 9 pitches and I thought that was good. I've seen 13 and thought that was great. 18? I gotta see that.

He has struck out quite a bit lately but I know some were questionable calls. He still ha 4 years until he reaches his prime.

[rwperu34]

Here's my question. Who are all these good DH that supposedly don't get hobby love?

[Bambino22]

Love the comparison to Thomas. You guys may be on to something. Thomas fans may naturally be drawn to Yordan. One of 2 players I followed daily as a kid. Loved watching his at bats and his presence at the plate just like Yordan.



I purposefully don't analyze statistics and price trends with cards. Burned out with my poker hobby doing that.

I accept all risk and just enjoy this hobby. Also love that his high end cards are affordable to me and he scares so many collectors away because of his knees and he is on Astros. I'm picking up all parellels I really enjoy but don't want to spend on Soto. I also back Yordan because I think he has potential for some huge upcoming batting titles and can't wait to watch him over next 5 years.

[BdotHobbs]

Originally Posted by callou2131

His last at bat, the 3 pitch strikeout, he looked completely lost. Don't know what happened. A week ago, he wouldn't have swung at any of those 3 pitches.

It seems like he’s so uncomfortable playing LF in a bigger ball park that it’s effecting him at the plate now. He hasn’t looked this bad since 2019 ALCS

[Bronconation24]

This dude isn’t good

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by Bronconation24

This dude isn’t good

Went from hot to not in a couple days. That’s baseball though.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Bronconation24

This dude isn’t good

1 Trick Pony. Just remember how those guys are remembered in cardboard.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

1 Trick Pony. Just remember how those guys are remembered in cardboard.

Having a good eye and massive power is a good trick to have! That said, yeah, he’s struggling in the World Series. No denying that.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Having a good eye and massive power is a good trick to have! That said, yeah, he’s struggling in the World Series. No denying that.

Who are the greatest DH's in the history of the game? Just trying to compare cardboard prices.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Who are the greatest DH's in the history of the game? Just trying to compare cardboard prices.

Oh, if we’re just talking card pieces, I agree with you and think that people need to have reasonable expectations when collecting his stuff if they’re concerned about future value. I love collecting his cards because I collect all my fantasy guys.

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Having a good eye and massive power is a good trick to have! That said, yeah, he’s struggling in the World Series. No denying that.

Good trick but useless if not applied in World Series. The next Adam Dunn/Joey Gallo?

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Who are the greatest DH's in the history of the game? Just trying to compare cardboard prices.

Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz. Their cardboard prices not strong.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Who are the greatest DH's in the history of the game? Just trying to compare cardboard prices.

The better question is who are the great one's that don't get hobby love? I mean relative to their hitting prowess? I can only think of three, Thomas, Ortiz, and Edgar. Of those two are/were absolutely loved by the hobby. Edgar has by far the worst hobby resume and is, IMO, a fluke to get in to the HOF.

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Oh, if we’re just talking card pieces, I agree with you and think that people need to have reasonable expectations when collecting his stuff if they’re concerned about future value. I love collecting his cards because I collect all my fantasy guys.

This is true for every player. If he hits his prices will go up. If he doesn't they won't. Same as any other player.

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz. Their cardboard prices not strong.

Ortiz not strong?

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

The better question is who are the great one's that don't get hobby love? I mean relative to their hitting prowess? I can only think of three, Thomas, Ortiz, and Edgar. Of those two are/were absolutely loved by the hobby. Edgar has by far the worst hobby resume and is, IMO, a fluke to get in to the HOF.



This is true for every player. If he hits his prices will go up. If he doesn't they won't. Same as any other player.



Ortiz not strong?

Thank you for responding on these matters. These are my thoughts exactly, except I wouldn’t have said it so succinctly.

Frank Thomas played 57% of his games as a DH and thus was a critical omission. Ortiz cards, along with Big Hurt’s, are doing just fine. I posted a while ago in a different thread that Edgar Martinez was a ‘roider who got away with it, but he also doesn’t have any great milestones or a particularly magnetic personality. So, basically, there have been two great DH’s, and the hobby recognizes them.

Paul Molitor and Jim Thome both spent a fair amount of time at DH, but they still played in the field a majority of the time.

Otherwise, there aren’t any other DH-types of note. (Yes, Harold Baines is a HOFer, but, you know…)


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[noaskiecards]

Lol so many haters, everyone go back to your pump and dump threads
He still got more hits than acuna in the series, just saying

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[Bronconation24]

Originally Posted by noaskiecards

Lol so many haters, everyone go back to your pump and dump threads
He still got more hits than acuna in the series, just saying

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Lol go to sleep.

[KhalDrogo]

IMO, make or break hobby year for Yordan in 2022. Sharp fall in production from his rookie year to now. Cutting down on the strikeouts would help.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

IMO, make or break hobby year for Yordan in 2022. Sharp fall in production from his rookie year to now. Cutting down on the strikeouts would help.

He was coming off of two major knee surgeries and didn't play in spring training. For the first half of the season, he adjusted his approach at the plate to avoid putting too much pressure on his knees. Yes, overall his numbers were down, but that should've been expected under those circumstances. The most important thing was for his knees to hold up and for him to have a pain free year. He did that, while still putting up pretty good numbers.

With that said, he should be expected to have a big year in 2022. His poor WS showing is just going to be a buying opportunity for fans of his, like myself, that believe he will.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by noaskiecards

Lol so many haters, everyone go back to your pump and dump threads
He still got more hits than acuna in the series, just saying

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Lol. But he had the same number of hits as Greinke. Stud!!!


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[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

This is true for every player. If he hits his prices will go up. If he doesn't they won't. Same as any other player.



Ortiz not strong?

If he spends the mass majority of his career as a DH, the hobby will view him differently. The effect will be seen in his values. History has shown this time and time again. Ortiz is basically the exception that proves the rule. Look at how much of an amazing career Ortiz needed to have, with plenty of big moments on the playoff/WS stage, and even now he’s not as much of a hobby darling as you would think.

I’m 100% rooting for Yordan to be the one to defy the DH odds though. I think he has a lot of things going for him that could make it happen. One thing Yordan has that some of the other DH’s greats don’t, is a clearly defined 1st prospect card/RC card.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Bronconation24

This dude isn’t good

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

1 Trick Pony. Just remember how those guys are remembered in cardboard.

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Good trick but useless if not applied in World Series. The next Adam Dunn/Joey Gallo?



Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz. Their cardboard prices not strong.

Strange, the young man was just ALCS MVP and had a bad World Series. All of a sudden he just has home run power and is a terrible player? He just turned 24 years old and on a perennial playoff team. I think he'll be ok. But on a serious note, I get it's a public forum but why the hate?

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

IMO, make or break hobby year for Yordan in 2022. Sharp fall in production from his rookie year to now. Cutting down on the strikeouts would help.

Anyone would have a sharp fall from that rookie season. It was historic, and only half a season. He then missed the next year entirely, then came back from double knee surgery and no spring training to still have one hell of a year. His 162 game avg. Is .290 42 hr 42 doubles and 129 rbi. Not many people can claim that, and it was a down year.

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[SupermanBrandon]

I think he’s an awesome hitter. I just think its becoming make it or break it time for him and his hobby love. He’s got a big hobby hill to climb that may come a little easier for others in his class. Guys with 4-5 tools. DH is tough. And hobby great DH is near impossible. Just be careful out there.


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