2020 select basketball overprinting

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[brock]

Originally Posted by thenightman

All ultra modern is overprinted.

I would argue that O&O is not.


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[Nomad]

Originally Posted by mbuch21

This is the big question. I was buying courtsides for years, betting that the scarcity will help it vault the prizm silver as the de facto “it” rookie card for any given modern player. This year’s overprinting very much puts that thesis into question, even for previous years minuscule print runs.

The core issue, like Prizm, as someone mentioned, is that Panini doesn't really change its design much, whatever the print run. If they do introduced a new design it will be a new product. So its a lot trickier to single out a 2014-15 silver as being rarer than a 20-21, as opposed to say a 1980 Topps set vs. 1987 Topps set.

O&O? Obsidian and Origins?

[mbuch21]

Originally Posted by Nomad

The core issue, like Prizm, as someone mentioned, is that Panini doesn't really change its design much, whatever the print run. So its a lot trickier to single out a 2014-15 silver as being rarer than a 20-21, as opposed to say a 1980 Topps set vs. 1987 Topps set.

I agree. I general, a few years from now, ALL colored parallels that do not have a serial number are going to feel a tremendous amount of pain because scarcity won’t be obvious and nobody is going to overanalyze and look up every pop. Red, red wave, red tmall, red ice... it’s too much work.
The same logic probably carries into unnumbered year to year comparisons. I used to love select, but I couldn’t tell you the relative scarcity of 2017 to 2019 silver courtsides. And not many people can either.
However, everyone in the hobby will remember that 2021 was the year they pivoted from hobby to retail and pops exploded. It’s the “jumping the shark moment” (for dinosaurs like me).

[IlliniBear]

The retail blues are trash. No collectibility. I left Select hangers behind at Barnes and Noble last week and regret ripping what I did.

[bloodwings19]

In 3 orders from eBay buying Prizm rookie cards, I had seller include 2020-21 Select BKB singles and rookies (Obi, Vassel) so I know they overprinted.

[regularp]

Originally Posted by mbuch21

This is the big question. I was buying courtsides for years, betting that the scarcity will help it vault the prizm silver as the de facto “it” rookie card for any given modern player. This year’s overprinting very much puts that thesis into question, even for previous years minuscule print runs.

I bought a handful of Courtside Silvers with the same thinking and Panini ruined the line in one fell swoop this year. Absolutely disgusted.

[Nomad]

At least with Optic there were printing issues to ensure gem rarity.

[bloodwings19]

Originally Posted by regularp

I bought a handful of Courtside Silvers with the same thinking and Panini ruined the line in one fell swoop this year. Absolutely disgusted.

2019-20 Select Courtside is overprinted compared to 2018-19.

[mbuch21]

Originally Posted by Nomad

At least with Optic there were printing issues to ensure gem rarity.

Nothing tops the quantum of off-center 19-20 prizm. We can send a man to the moon, but can’t cut cards on straight lines...

[Select]

You can basically say 99% of panini products are overprinted garbage haha.. my mindset is same as someone else said in here, just collect only what you like or flip what you think it’s best, but I do get there are people that feel the need to complete rainbows so that sucks for them

Originally Posted by mbuch21

This is the big question. I was buying courtsides for years, betting that the scarcity will help it vault the prizm silver as the de facto “it” rookie card for any given modern player. This year’s overprinting very much puts that thesis into question, even for previous years minuscule print runs.

Originally Posted by regularp

I bought a handful of Courtside Silvers with the same thinking and Panini ruined the line in one fell swoop this year. Absolutely disgusted.

Ive been tracking courtside silvers since 2017-18 season, mostly from eBay sales though, I think this year hasn’t changed. The silver and blue silver each haven’t pop’d more than 15 for couple of the players I tracked. I’ve searched forum and actually saw threads few people guessing the print runs using math, and the ones I tracked are like 70-80% from the math so those guys can mostly tell the closest to accurate numbers. Also the 2014-15 courtside purple wave are really rare. The 2015-16 and 16-17 seasons prob got the most printed silvers, but I don’t think more than hundreds. Panini seems to still sticking with keeping courtside silvers rare, at least I hope..

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by IlliniBear

The retail blues are trash. No collectibility. I left Select hangers behind at Barnes and Noble last week and regret ripping what I did.

What do you mean by this? Interested to hear more.

[Spigosa23]

How much less are the blue retails worth than hobby? I got a lamelo courtside for 40$ on auction still a good pickup or no?? I probably wont buy anymore due to this thread lol

[regularp]

Originally Posted by bloodwings19

2019-20 Select Courtside is overprinted compared to 2018-19.

None of the parallels were printed to the moon like this year though. Also, there's been 337 base Lukas graded by PSA compared to 365 Zions; 47 Luka Silvers vs. 44 Zion Silvers.

There have been 8 different Courtside Lukas graded, 14 different Zions and already 27 different LaMelos. So the jump from 2018 to 2019 wasn't nearly as drastic as the 2020 iteration.

[regularp]

Originally Posted by Select

You can basically say 99% of panini products are overprinted garbage haha.. my mindset is same as someone else said in here, just collect only what you like or flip what you think it’s best, but I do get there are people that feel the need to complete rainbows so that sucks for them





Ive been tracking courtside silvers since 2017-18 season, mostly from eBay sales though, I think this year hasn’t changed. The silver and blue silver each haven’t pop’d more than 15 for couple of the players I tracked. I’ve searched forum and actually saw threads few people guessing the print runs using math, and the ones I tracked are like 70-80% from the math so those guys can mostly tell the closest to accurate numbers. Also the 2014-15 courtside purple wave are really rare. The 2015-16 and 16-17 seasons prob got the most printed silvers, but I don’t think more than hundreds. Panini seems to still sticking with keeping courtside silvers rare, at least I hope..

This would be good news. As long as the base and definitely the Silvers are still rare, there's still some hope.

[Nomad]

Whats your guess on red shimmer court side? from what I can see that's one of the better of the rainbow.

[Dilemma90]

IMO its so overprinted that the quality has turn to complete crap! Every single hit has ROUGH edges, maybe smudge, some print lines, or off center.

I'll take off center cards but I really can't grade a couple of boxes of cards because the quality is that low. Nothing would score close to a 10.

I decided to just stop buying NBA Select. Their Panini you lose my business lmao.

Just to go back a few months. I have 2020 NFL Select, and man I have some SUPER Smooth, clean, cards.

[Metsfan1991]

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[nothinbefore]

crazy to think first time ever chronicles will hold more value than select

[jcardstore]

You would think collectors would be happy they could get cards of their favorite players and teams cheaper but everyone is just about the bottom dollar now

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

You would think collectors would be happy they could get cards of their favorite players and teams cheaper but everyone is just about the bottom dollar now

Nobody likes buying junk.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Totally agree!!!!

Panini could have helped the Revolution brand by making a Retail and left Select Hobby only.

NO! Don't let them screw up revolution!! Fewer collectors and you can get singles relatively cheap compared to the overproduced counterparts.
I assume one day people will catch on. Not being a chrome-type product is really what hurts it the most.

[90skid]

I think they need to make Donruss Elite into a chrome card. Then perhaps it would get the respect it deserves. Think about it... it's what everyone asks for here..... wasn't printed to all hell, wasn't retail, hobby only, has a proper amount of parallels that they didn't go absolutely crazy with. Just kept it traditional for the most part. It just gets lost in the shuffle.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Nobody likes buying junk.

My point exactly. Everyone is an "investor" and flipper now so anything that doesn't pump is junk

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

My point exactly. Everyone is an "investor" and flipper now so anything that doesn't pump is junk

I get your point but there are also collectors who like the chase of something that is some what rare or scarce.

I am not an investor or a flipper but I do want my cards to have a chance at holding value and hopefully appreciating.

I collect Panini case hits and I don't even go after the case hits from the last two years because even those seem to always be available.