Collectors are sleeping on Lamar Jackson

[2010GBPackers]

It's great to see these young QB's getting to get a taste of real NFL talent and coaching on the defensive side. A lot of QB's have come in and set the league on fire only to see it last just a short time. The thing is, you can't have just one trick. Especially if that one trick (mobility) can get you injured. Hopefully, this will lead to real reflection when we look back upon the careers of Brees, Manning, Rodgers, and Brady to realize just how difficult it is to be very good to great for a 10-20 year stretch.

Two (or more) of these shiny, new QB's won't make it another 3 years. Book it. The NFL is just too difficult of a league.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

It's great to see these young QB's getting to get a taste of real NFL talent and coaching on the defensive side. A lot of QB's have come in and set the league on fire only to see it last just a short time. The thing is, you can't have just one trick. Especially if that one trick (mobility) can get you injured. Hopefully, this will lead to real reflection when we look back upon the careers of Brees, Manning, Rodgers, and Brady to realize just how difficult it is to be very good to great for a 10-20 year stretch.

Two (or more) of these shiny, new QB's won't make it another 3 years. Book it. The NFL is just too difficult of a league.

It seems there is a system evolving to stop just about any QB except for the elites.

[I pull scrubs]

I must have missed the Josh Allen thread with his performance last week, but it is so funny that this thread starts again after Lamar has his worst game of the year. The fact is his offensive line STINKS! His RBs are ancient and can't get outside the tackles fast enough. And his offensive coordinator did next to nothing in exploiting the middle of the field with any play calls to lessen the pressure. Cant wait for this thread to really explode if/when he ever does get injured...going over 3 years now for you haters to be right.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by I pull scrubs

I must have missed the Josh Allen thread with his performance last week, but it is so funny that this thread starts again after Lamar has his worst game of the year. The fact is his offensive line STINKS! His RBs are ancient and can't get outside the tackles fast enough. And his offensive coordinator did next to nothing in exploiting the middle of the field with any play calls to lessen the pressure. Cant wait for this thread to really explode if/when he ever does get injured...going over 3 years now for you haters to be right.

He has significantly improved this year for sure, but still has deficiencies.


Unfortunately, he was inaccurate last night and never seemed to get comfortable in or out of the pocket, and as the game went on became more frustrated.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

I was telling my co-worker this morning that the way the Dolphins were defending him was the strangest thing I've seen recently. They eventually settled into a 7-man front and had their 4 pass defenders create a soccer-style backline, set 6-8 yards off the line of scrimmage. They were just daring L. Jack to be a quick-out throwing pocket passer and he couldn't do it. It was brilliant.

Yeah they realized he wasn’t a quick thinker. The constant pressure and forcing him to make quick throws showed that. Making side arm and off balanced throws. Can’t put all the blame on Lamar though. The offensive coordinator couldn’t come up with anything to counter the attack.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Yeah they realized he wasn’t a quick thinker. The constant pressure and forcing him to make quick throws showed that. Making side arm and off balanced throws. Can’t put all the blame on Lamar though. The offensive coordinator couldn’t come up with anything to counter the attack.

Agreed, the half time adjustments didn't seem to be there. Great game plan by the Dolphins and hey, everyone's gonna have a bad day at the office. For example, as brilliant as Tom Brady is, he won a Super Bowl last year and somehow lost to the Bears earlier in that season. One game doesn't necessarily make a trend for Lamar.

[Meets1]

I mean you can't put this all on Lamar- the lack of adjustment by the Ravens OC/Harbaugh was shocking. Bad O line and washed RBs and bad field conditions was pretty much a perfect storm of poopiness

[I pull scrubs]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

He has significantly improved this year for sure, but still has deficiencies.


Unfortunately, he was inaccurate last night and never seemed to get comfortable in or out of the pocket, and as the game went on became more frustrated.

Oh yes, he definitely put more pressure on himself playing in front of family and friends too which didn't help things. Hopefully he learns from it, but the Ravens need him to be Superman to win games now and he simply can't be that every game. If they can get Patrick Mekari & Nick Boyle back healthy, that will help some, but injuries are finally catching up to the Ravens.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Agreed, the half time adjustments didn't seem to be there. Great game plan by the Dolphins and hey, everyone's gonna have a bad day at the office. For example, as brilliant as Tom Brady is, he won a Super Bowl last year and somehow lost to the Bears earlier in that season. One game doesn't necessarily make a trend for Lamar.

Yeah they’ve all had bad games so far. I was surprised they didn’t have anything that could counter that. Will be interesting to see if other teams try the same thing.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I think defenses have figured him out.

If his stats this season are teams figuring him out, then guess what, he's still an elite talent

Apparently Lamar is never allowed to have a bad game lol

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

If his stats this season are teams figuring him out, then guess what, he's still an elite talent

Apparently Lamar is never allowed to have a bad game lol

He’s had four game this year with a completion percentage of 60% or less. He only has two multi TD games this year, three if you count rushing TDs.

I guess I’m in the minority in thinking that this is not his first bad game this year and that he’s not looked dramatically better or different in any way. This is Lamar. He is an excellent QB for a run heavy offense that allows his legs to shine and forces the defense to commit a defender to him. When that fails, he often fails.

[Bulls90s]

Poor L-Jack. He had a very long night last night...he faced 24 defensive back blitzes..most since 2015.

[mike1498]

The more I think about it, the more I’m getting convinced he’s elite. They didn’t build an offense around him, he is what makes that offense function. That team shouldn’t function with that backfield period. I know he’s a QB and we want to look at completion percentage, but it’s a bad way to grade Lamar specifically. He makes the offense substantially better with his ability to run. I think the first problem is that he thinks he’s a mobile QB. I think he’s more of a Running back that can throw. To me, Russell Wilson is a mobile QB and Lamars playing style is different than that. If he stays healthy he will be what Vick should have been and be the greatest ever at of that QB prototype. When you think about it, what QB has ever had that level of success with their legs? Really no one has. He’s not figured out, just certain teams are better at defending the run. Is kelce a bad TE cause he’s not your traditional blocking TE? Maybe he’s not a complete TE but he’s still a damn good TE

[rmw10]

Y'all crazy if you think Lamar hasn't improved. He's miles better as a passer than he was last year and even in his MVP year. Yeah he still has some deficiencies but no other QB is doing what he's doing with as putrid of an OL and RB group that he has right now. Stop looking at a stat book and watch the games instead.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rmw10

Y'all crazy if you think Lamar hasn't improved. He's miles better as a passer than he was last year and even in his MVP year. Yeah he still has some deficiencies but no other QB is doing what he's doing with as putrid of an OL and RB group that he has right now. Stop looking at a stat book and watch the games instead.

The problem is what’s fresh in people’s minds. Last night’s game he looked turrible

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

The problem is what’s fresh in people’s minds. Last night’s game he looked turrible

I don't disagree. But also not one QB in this league is going to look good in similar circumstances... garbage RBs, garbage OL, defenders in his face every drop back, and an OC that seems to forget the slants exist in favor of out routes.

[tjforce]

2019: 83.0
2020: 73.7
2021: 54.8

Lamar's QBR by year each of the past 3 seasons.


2019: 113.3
2020: 99.3
2021: 93.1

Lamar's QB Rating by year each of the past 3 seasons.

Do with this information what you will

[sportsfanatic]

Originally Posted by tjforce

2019: 83.0
2020: 73.7
2021: 54.8

Lamar's QBR by year each of the past 3 seasons.


2019: 113.3
2020: 99.3
2021: 93.1

Lamar's QB Rating by year each of the past 3 seasons.

Do with this information what you will

Hmm...that doesn't look like a QB who's improving does it?

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by rmw10

Y'all crazy if you think Lamar hasn't improved. He's miles better as a passer than he was last year and even in his MVP year. Yeah he still has some deficiencies but no other QB is doing what he's doing with as putrid of an OL and RB group that he has right now. Stop looking at a stat book and watch the games instead.

I actually like Lamar and think he's unique. Having said that, I can think of 1 team that has a putrid OL with virtually no running game where the QB gets crucified

There is no team in the AFC I'd be happy to see more in the playoffs. Ravens don't scare anybody.

[BeastMode27]

While I was not on the Lamar train at first, I as well think he is a special type of player. If everything hit right he could make a couple Super Bowls and win one. With that said, he looks less explosive running this year. Not as fast or agile. This changes how to defend him. The league found out they need to blitz the crap out of him. Unlike Mahomes, Allen, Herbert etc. he does not do better when they blitz. Those guys will pick you apart, Lamar does not. Those guys have struggled with rushing 3-4 and playing 2 high shell.
Defenses have gotten better as the season goes on, this has been a constant for 4-5 years now. QB’s combined have all time high passer ratings through 4-6 weeks. Then all of a sudden they forget how to play for a month.

[trmpetyjo]

I think he understands that if he wants to play healthy long term he can't be a run first QB. You can tell he has been trying very hard to turn into a pass first QB. He had very little protection last night which made it impossible be a threat so he couldn't run or pass. I think he's special, and if the team can protect him they will be a constant threat to win a superbowl.

[JWBlue]

This guy is always in the Sick Room.

[Brwdot]

Dayum that boy cookin!!!!

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Brwdot

Dayum that boy cookin!!!!

You can’t say that word

[Brwdot]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

What are you talking about? Where did I say that's a bad thing?
He's a running back that occasionally throws the ball. It is what it is.
I enjoy watching him play. Doesn't mean I think he's a good QB.

Originally Posted by Siberian13

You can’t say that word

He hot dough!!!!!