OFFICIAL Connor McDavid Thread!! - Page 7

GoSportsball · 11-19-2021, 05:54 PM

I’m not saying Toews is better talent-wise. But the fawning over CMD gets a little crazy IMO. Is he special? Absolutely. Generational? Has yet to be proven.

He has done far less than most of the greats he’s always compared to. Gretzky and Sid both won cups by age 21.

boston12 · 11-19-2021, 09:26 PM

This thread is comical. Trying to justify why McDavid isn’t incredible.

GoSportsball · 11-19-2021, 10:27 PM

Somebody keeps posting a 2015 SPA Retro RPA /25 on eBay then taking the listing down.

Take my money dammit!

LesExpos · 11-21-2021, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GoSportsball

I’m not saying Toews is better talent-wise. But the fawning over CMD gets a little crazy IMO. Is he special? Absolutely. Generational? Has yet to be proven.

He has done far less than most of the greats he’s always compared to. Gretzky and Sid both won cups by age 21.

Gretzky came into the NHL at 19, and won the cup in his 5th year at 23.

McDavid is in his 7th year and he's 25. Not far off.

You can't compare them...yet. But let's talk in 5 years and see where this debate is.

Right now he is the best player in the NHL by a country mile.

Inferno · 11-21-2021, 05:12 AM

McDavid doesn’t have a fraction of the team around him that Gretzky did. His teams were loaded to the hilt with Hall of Famers.

cfind · 11-21-2021, 02:39 PM

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McDavid doesn’t have a fraction of the team around him that Gretzky did. His teams were loaded to the hilt with Hall of Famers.

^^^^This. No one player can carry a team through the playoffs. I don't think there's a physically more brutal playoff format in all of sports than in hockey. Experience often trumps talent as well in the playoffs and the Oilers are pretty young. Getting Duncan Keith though, even at his age was a huge locker room addition.

boston12 · 11-21-2021, 08:15 PM

Is McDavid still good?

coltsnsox07 · 11-21-2021, 09:29 PM

I keep getting trade requests on Upper Deck E-Pack for my McDavid 2nd year base cards I've had sitting there for several years.

Westwave · 11-22-2021, 08:19 AM

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Is McDavid still good?

In the regular season he sure is.

staypuft39 · 11-22-2021, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Westwave

In the regular season he sure is.

Sorry Connor, your 11 G 11 A and 22 points in 21 playoff games is decidedly "not good". Everyone out here getting a PPG in the playoffs playing for a poor team.

Westwave · 11-22-2021, 08:47 AM

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Sorry Connor, your 11 G 11 A and 22 points in 21 playoff games is decidedly "not good". Everyone out here getting a PPG in the playoffs playing for a poor team.

How many series wins did those point totals accumulate?

kellmuff · 11-23-2021, 09:56 AM

why are we using cups to measure an individual ffs? Gretzky fluked that he ended up in Edmonton with all that all time great talent.

kellmuff · 11-23-2021, 09:58 AM

we really out here comparing Toews to McDavid lmaooooo

Westwave · 11-23-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kellmuff

why are we using cups to measure an individual ffs? Gretzky fluked that he ended up in Edmonton with all that all time great talent.

How many actual all time greats have zero cups?

rrk100 · 11-23-2021, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Westwave

How many actual all time greats have zero cups?

So by your logic, one single player can carry an entire playoff roster to a championship.

If not for a trade, Ray Bourque.

Jaromir Jagr won his two Cups in his first 2 years in the league, and didn’t get a whiff after that.

That’s just off the top of my head.

Correct me if I am wrong but you appear to be implying that all of the Cups and gold medals Toews has were because he carried all of those teams to the promised land. While he has some good playoff stats in the years he won, he ALSO was the beneficiary of being surrounded by deep rosters for those Cup seasons and Olympic wins.

Westwave · 11-23-2021, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rrk100

So by your logic, one single player can carry an entire playoff roster to a championship.

If not for a trade, Ray Bourque.

Jaromir Jagr won his two Cups in his first 2 years in the league, and didn’t get a whiff after that.

That’s just off the top of my head.

Correct me if I am wrong but you appear to be implying that all of the Cups and gold medals Toews has were because he carried all of those teams to the promised land. While he has some good playoff stats in the years he won, he ALSO was the beneficiary of being surrounded by deep rosters for those Cup seasons and Olympic wins.

No one wants to answer the question. Name the all time greats, the true all time greats with zero cups. People are talking that he is either an all time great already or close to it I'll wait for an answer.

rrk100 · 11-23-2021, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Westwave

No one wants to answer the question. Name the all time greats, the true all time greats with zero cups. People are talking that he is either an all time great already or close to it I'll wait for an answer.

Maybe because the question itself is a dumb argument to use to fully define a player’s greatness?

I guess you missed the point I was trying to make by mentioning Bourque and Jagr.

Westwave · 11-23-2021, 12:06 PM

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Maybe because the question itself is a dumb argument to use to fully define a player’s greatness?

I guess you missed the point I was trying to make by mentioning Bourque and Jagr.

So you can't answer the question thus proving my point. Thanks for coming out.

rrk100 · 11-23-2021, 12:50 PM

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So you can't answer the question thus proving my point. Thanks for coming out.

LOL. Did Patrick Roy, Ray Bourque or Wayne Gretzky win ANY medal(s) in the Olympics?

The answer is no. So going by your logic, these players are overrated and just make “pretty plays”.

Don’t come back with “Yeah, but they won Cup(s).” YOU brought the Olympic medals argument into this.

boston12 · 11-23-2021, 01:36 PM

I think it’s safe to say Connor is really really really good at hockey. An all time great at this moment in time? Nope. But that’s OK, plenty of time left in his career. Anyone that watches hockey knows this guy can do things others in the league simply are not able to do.

carlo16 · 11-23-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Westwave

No one wants to answer the question. Name the all time greats, the true all time greats with zero cups. People are talking that he is either an all time great already or close to it I'll wait for an answer.

Who are we considering all time greats?

Iginla
Bure
Stastny
Sundin
Dionne
Oates

Off the top of my head. These are big time players all at some point in their careers were top 5 players in the league.

cfind · 11-23-2021, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Westwave

No one wants to answer the question. Name the all time greats, the true all time greats with zero cups. People are talking that he is either an all time great already or close to it I'll wait for an answer.

You should also take into account All Time Greats who didn't win a cup until they were near the end of their respective careers. Ray Bourque went 22 years before winning a Cup with the Colorado Avs in 2001 and then he promptly retired.

GoSportsball · 11-23-2021, 02:38 PM

I think Eric Lindros is an all time great with no cup.

But then where do guys like Hawerchuk and Dionne fit in? Hobby couldn’t care less about them even though they ate goals every meal of every day for lengthy careers.

Westwave · 11-23-2021, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by carlo16

Who are we considering all time greats?

Iginla
Bure
Stastny
Sundin
Dionne
Oates

Off the top of my head. These are big time players all at some point in their careers were top 5 players in the league.

C'mon you honestly consider any of those players all time greats? Good to great players for sure but an all time great within the game? Dionne is the only one you could maybe make an argument for.

Here is the problem nowadays everyone thinks any good to great player is an all time great or a HOF. Sorry but the standards should be higher when people are discussing the greatest to ever play a sport.

Westwave · 11-23-2021, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cfind

You should also take into account All Time Greats who didn't win a cup until they were near the end of their respective careers. Ray Bourque went 22 years before winning a Cup with the Colorado Avs in 2001 and then he promptly retired.

He has a cup. Does it matter when he got it? I say no it doesn't.

Also Bourque was a major piece of that team just not sub scrub who played a few minutes per game. 59 points in 80 games and 10 points in 21 games (Regular and post season)

11-19-2021, 05:54 PM	#151
GoSportsball Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 653	I’m not saying Toews is better talent-wise. But the fawning over CMD gets a little crazy IMO. Is he special? Absolutely. Generational? Has yet to be proven. He has done far less than most of the greats he’s always compared to. Gretzky and Sid both won cups by age 21.

11-19-2021, 09:26 PM	#152
boston12 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 3,282	This thread is comical. Trying to justify why McDavid isn’t incredible.

11-19-2021, 10:27 PM	#153
GoSportsball Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 653	Somebody keeps posting a 2015 SPA Retro RPA /25 on eBay then taking the listing down. Take my money dammit!

11-21-2021, 05:12 AM	#155
Inferno Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Eh Posts: 1,651	McDavid doesn’t have a fraction of the team around him that Gretzky did. His teams were loaded to the hilt with Hall of Famers.

11-21-2021, 08:15 PM	#157
boston12 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 3,282	Is McDavid still good?

11-21-2021, 09:29 PM	#158
coltsnsox07 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 22,049	I keep getting trade requests on Upper Deck E-Pack for my McDavid 2nd year base cards I've had sitting there for several years.

11-23-2021, 09:56 AM	#162
kellmuff Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,347	why are we using cups to measure an individual ffs? Gretzky fluked that he ended up in Edmonton with all that all time great talent.

11-23-2021, 09:58 AM	#163
kellmuff Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,347	we really out here comparing Toews to McDavid lmaooooo

11-23-2021, 01:36 PM	#170
boston12 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 3,282	I think it’s safe to say Connor is really really really good at hockey. An all time great at this moment in time? Nope. But that’s OK, plenty of time left in his career. Anyone that watches hockey knows this guy can do things others in the league simply are not able to do.

11-23-2021, 02:38 PM	#173
GoSportsball Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 653	I think Eric Lindros is an all time great with no cup. But then where do guys like Hawerchuk and Dionne fit in? Hobby couldn’t care less about them even though they ate goals every meal of every day for lengthy careers.