The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-21/22 Edition - Page 139

jcardstore · 12-01-2021, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

and yet he has 3, arguably 4 better than Jokic' next best teammate.

Ok so lets set some guardrails on "better".

Draymond is clearly better than anyone else on Denver. That's for sure.

Past that it's definitely debatable.

That's why I want to set a clear stage for better. Are we talking straight analytics, box scores, worth to their team, players in a vacuum?

Barton/Gordon or Wiggins/Poole is really the debate here

NeedChapmans · 12-01-2021, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jswest18

You're entire premise against Steph is that his shooting percentages are down compared to his career. Efficiency in shooting is most heavily weighted and import when speaking about efficiency. So when you argue efficiency and argue that Steph shouldn't win MVP because he's shooting worse than his career averages then you're basically comparing shooting percentages.

You're smart enough to know as well that you are moving the goalposts when it suits you. You don't want to talk about any other metrics/factors for Steph but they are important in the discussion for Jokic.

I'm not arguing for Steph or Jokic but it's ridiculous to say that Steph shouldn't be in the conversation for MVP because of his shooting percentages. Is there a single other person out there who's said or saying that? You can't count k13 because he's just labeled Steph as a chucker with zero context. I think you're on an island population 1 with this argument.

OK then; how about this. In the award's history, only two players have ever won the award having a near career low (or career low) shooting %.

Michael Jordan won in '98 on the 62 win Bulls team (best in NBA)
Russell Westbrook won in '16 averaging a triple double

Telling me that Curry can win the award this year because of his all-around numbers would tell me that something else needs to happen as well. The league award does not reward poor shooting / down years unless there's something else they can point to which will support the vote.

Warriors need excellence. It's the only way on Curry's current trajectory.

burke23 · 12-01-2021, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

OK then; how about this. In the award's history, only two players have ever won the award having a near career low (or career low) shooting %.

Michael Jordan won in '98 on the 62 win Bulls team (best in NBA)
Russell Westbrook won in '16 averaging a triple double

Telling me that Curry can win the award this year because of his all-around numbers would tell me that something else needs to happen as well. The league award does not reward poor shooting / down years unless there's something else they can point to which will support the vote.

Warriors need excellence. It's the only way on Curry's current trajectory.

I don’t have a dog in this hunt but classifying Curry having a down year is a bit misleading as it is a career year for anyone not named Durant maybe shooting wise. That is really more about how great Curry has been historically and not about him slumping this year.

Spacemanspif · 12-01-2021, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by burke23

I don’t have a dog in this hunt but classifying Curry having a down year is a bit misleading as it is a career year for anyone not named Durant maybe shooting wise. That is really more about how great Curry has been historically and not about him slumping this year.

I would like to reiterate that he's calling it a down year, when if this was brought up 24 hours ago, that argument is completely gone. Curry has been great, but when we're just finishing up the first quarter of the season, one horrendous game can do wonders to your sample.

GeechQuest · 12-01-2021, 06:17 PM

I’d argue that early on this may be some of Curry’s best work.

He’s having a Top 2-3 season of his up to this point.

Jokic? Meh. Nobody cares. Unfortunately he’s stuck on a meh team.

rhigh2390 · 12-01-2021, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

No way NY makes that trade without at least a 1st. Derrick is playing great, he's their best guard and 2nd/3rd best player. I think Kemba might be an option but they have to find a third team for salary purposes.

They need a PF but I'm not too worried about it. That'll probably be the 8th player on the rotation.

I'd love to have DRose back, but I agree there's no way they'd do it. I'm not big on Kemba, even if he came off the bench.

yiguiri2002 · 12-01-2021, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rhigh2390

I'd love to have DRose back, but I agree there's no way they'd do it. I'm not big on Kemba, even if he came off the bench.

I think the team can get Kemba for Coby and Troy Brown Jr.

Am I high on Kemba? Not really. But I think he's way better than Coby and Ayo right now.

Zedlaw · 12-01-2021, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Who said anything about Jokic shooting %? He's having the most efficient season of all-time; greatest added value of any player, ever in all metrics. That goes well beyond just his ability to shoot; he's also an All-NBA defender right now.

But my comments today are really not about Jokic. They're to comment about how Curry is attached to his team and the success of his team will determine his MVP viability. His individual performance is not all that great compared to just himself over the years. Jokic has no such tether.

I found this interesting.

Jokic - 1st Half of games 14.9pts at 0.667 fg%, 2nd Half 11.3pts at 0.523fg%

He needs to start winning. Jokic's MVP case is tethered to Giannis, Durant and Curry failing to reach 60+ wins

Zedlaw · 12-01-2021, 06:58 PM

Are Minnesota really 6-1 in their last 7. Towns has got to be one of the best second options in the league. Is Ant Man for real?

Zedlaw · 12-01-2021, 07:04 PM

I love Wednesdays, always a good basketball night. Bucks feeling themselves as 9pt favorites against the Hornets. A Hornets team who have given up a cool 412pts in their last 3 games.

rhigh2390 · 12-01-2021, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I think the team can get Kemba for Coby and Troy Brown Jr.

Am I high on Kemba? Not really. But I think he's way better than Coby and Ayo right now.

I agree. I'd be fine with the trade as long as Kemba knew he would be with the second unit and not be taking any of Lavine or Derozans shots.

tjforce · 12-01-2021, 07:32 PM

Bam Adebayo out 4-6 weeks after thumb surgery.

Tough blow for the Heat

jcardstore · 12-01-2021, 07:58 PM

The Cavs paint defense is absolutely elite, suffocating you could say.

Without Butler and Bam I don’t see how the Heat score against the Cavs unless Herro and Robinson go nuclear from 3

tjforce · 12-01-2021, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

The Cavs paint defense is absolutely elite, suffocating you could say.

Without Butler and Bam I don’t see how the Heat score against the Cavs unless Herro and Robinson go nuclear from 3

I hope there is serious consideration for Mobley being All-NBA Defense if he keeps up like this.

brock · 12-01-2021, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’d argue that early on this may be some of Curry’s best work.

He’s having a Top 2-3 season of his up to this point.

Jokic? Meh. Nobody cares. Unfortunately he’s stuck on a meh team.

Chap and Daeve, please cover your ears.

This is the main issue with Jokic... Nobody likes him. He is a terrific player, but no flash, no pizzazz. He isn't that fun to watch. His highlights have to be captioned and explained. In summary: snooze.

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TSonn · 12-01-2021, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brock

Chap and Daeve, please cover your ears.

This is the main issue with Jokic... Nobody likes him. He is a terrific player, but no flash, no pizzazz. He isn't that fun to watch. His highlights have to be captioned and explained. In summary: snooze.

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Jokic is my third favorite player to watch after Luka and Trae.

jcardstore · 12-01-2021, 09:11 PM

Even with 15? Turnovers the Cavs are still absolutely crushing the heat. Back to back games where the Cavs are playing some of the best defense I’ve ever seen them play.

Just need to play tight in the 4th, keep up the good defense and win this game

tjforce · 12-01-2021, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Even with 15? Turnovers the Cavs are still absolutely crushing the heat. Back to back games where the Cavs are playing some of the best defense I’ve ever seen them play.

Just need to play tight in the 4th, keep up the good defense and win this game

First half Mobley: 0 pts (but 4 blocks)

3rd Quarter Mobley: 15 pts.

Don't see that too often.

NeedChapmans · 12-01-2021, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by brock

Chap and Daeve, please cover your ears.

This is the main issue with Jokic... Nobody likes him. He is a terrific player, but no flash, no pizzazz. He isn't that fun to watch. His highlights have to be captioned and explained. In summary: snooze.

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The man has no hype. Nothing new.

And the Nuggets loss and Jokic's lousy play today ... a direct result of God letting me know he's heard enough about him too.

Message received.

jcardstore · 12-01-2021, 09:31 PM

So is it too early to start talking about JB as COTY? Going from the worst team in the league to actually good can’t be just Mobley

ninjacookies · 12-01-2021, 09:32 PM

Miami minus Buckets and Bam are painful to watch.

Dedmon literally a ded mon on offense.

Bambaclat.

asujbl · 12-01-2021, 09:38 PM

Jarrett Allen is Nick Chubb

TSonn · 12-01-2021, 09:46 PM

Trae been crushing it recently.

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dkcardman · 12-01-2021, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TSonn

Trae been crushing it recently.

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It should also be said he is middle of the pack when it comes to defensive win share and rating this year. A huge improvement over last year.

tjforce · 12-01-2021, 10:12 PM

Denver just lost to Orlando?

Yikes

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