Formula 1 2021 season general chat

[hexthem4n]

Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

I've already sold more Sapphire F1 cards today than any other and not just Max cards. Pretty great to see more people being brought into F1 with the race today.

Heck yeah! So many first timers today, I love it.

[fadster]

Protest dismissed!:

"Conclusions of the Stewards :
The Stewards consider that the protest is admissible.
Having considered the various statements made by the parties the Stewards determine the
following:
That Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our
determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.
That although Article 48.12 may not have been applied fully, in relation to the safety car returning
to the pits at the end of the following lap, Article 48.13 overrides that and once the message
“Safety Car in this lap” has been displayed, it is mandatory to withdraw the safety car at the end
of that lap.
That notwithstanding Mercedes’ request that the Stewards remediate the matter by amending the
classification to reflect the positions at the end of the penultimate lap, this is a step that the
Stewards believe is effectively shortening the race retrospectively, and hence not appropriate.
Accordingly, the Protest is dismissed. The Protest Deposit is not refunded.
Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in
accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial
and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits. "

[Jon_21]

Paul Harris QC … big time representation for Mercedes. I don’t see how this does not go to court and a real strong case here for Mercedes to overturn and void the last lap (keeping same positions and Lewis winning #8), or a real asterisk and black eye on the sport despite probably tons of new fans and eyeballs for next season.

Basically this was the Super Bowl with Mercedes beating Red Bull 28-3 with 2 minutes left and said Red Bull you get the ball first and goal, Mercedes has no timeouts and next score wins.

[Jon_21]

Originally Posted by fadster

Protest dismissed!:

"Conclusions of the Stewards :
The Stewards consider that the protest is admissible.
Having considered the various statements made by the parties the Stewards determine the
following:
That Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our
determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.
That although Article 48.12 may not have been applied fully, in relation to the safety car returning
to the pits at the end of the following lap, Article 48.13 overrides that and once the message
“Safety Car in this lap” has been displayed, it is mandatory to withdraw the safety car at the end
of that lap.
That notwithstanding Mercedes’ request that the Stewards remediate the matter by amending the
classification to reflect the positions at the end of the penultimate lap, this is a step that the
Stewards believe is effectively shortening the race retrospectively, and hence not appropriate.
Accordingly, the Protest is dismissed. The Protest Deposit is not refunded.
Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in
accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial
and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits. "

Pretty ridiculous. If they wanted them to race should have just red flagged, everyone comes in with tires of their choice and you have 5 full go laps to settle it all.

[fadster]

Mercedes confirm intention to appeal

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by fadster

So overtaking behind the safety car has been rightfully thrown out

Originally Posted by Jon_21

Paul Harris QC … big time representation for Mercedes. I don’t see how this does not go to court and a real strong case here for Mercedes to overturn and void the last lap (keeping same positions and Lewis winning #8), or a real asterisk and black eye on the sport despite probably tons of new fans and eyeballs for next season.

Basically this was the Super Bowl with Mercedes beating Red Bull 28-3 with 2 minutes left and said Red Bull you get the ball first and goal, Mercedes has no timeouts and next score wins.

Handle the loss as gracefully as your favorite driver did.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Handle the loss as gracefully as your favorite driver did.

Would they still be doing this if Lewis wasnt requesting it? Merc won the constructors championship, so this is just about getting Lewis the driver's champ. He said all the right things in the moment, but if he told Toto it's not worth winning this way I'd be surprised if they still challenged it.

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[fadster]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Handle the loss as gracefully as your favorite driver did.

The last favourite driver I had in F1 retired 15 years ago . I just enjoy the sport now, favourites invariably let you down (eg I used to be a big Schumacher fan but he was basically dead to me after 97)

edit: I'm only reporting what is going on, at no point have have I ever said they should overturn the result. Today was a mess but reversing it is an even bigger mess.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by JRX

Would they still be doing this if Lewis wasnt requesting it? Merc won the constructors championship, so this is just about getting Lewis the driver's champ. He said all the right things in the moment, but if he told Toto it's not worth winning this way I'd be surprised if they still challenged it.

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I think this comes from Toto and the big guys at Daimler. A lot of the F1 world is very technical and precise, especially the backers and engineering arms at the big car manufacturers. I think Lewis is happy to accept what has happened but I don't know if he can convince everyone above him.

[monkeymcgee]

I think the appeal is worth it for no other reason than to force FIA to establish some procedures to not have this happen again. Whether or not you like the result, the end of that race did not feel like it was handled properly. They love their rules, but at this most important moment they basically made them up.

[JRX]

I agree with what I've seen others comment on, they really need to stop broadcasting the team audio to the fia. They should basically not talk to them at all. It's like Cashman talking directly to the replay review office. Just a bad look all around.

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[Goldenoldies]

Yes! VLM!

[21Pittsburgh58]

Happy for Max and Red Bull! Disappointed for Lewis. Toto Wolff sounded like a little b*tch and acted like one too.

Lewis is the G.O.A.T.

Schumacher / Latifi scrap is NOT insignificant to them. F1 careers don't last long and the young guys (one who happens to be a Schumacher) are racing for their future to possibly get with Mercedes/Red Bull/Ferrar/McLaren.

There's a lot to be discussed and it's all positive for Formula 1. Maybe not to Merc fans, but they're not the only fans.

2022 sason cannot get here soon enough. With the cars changing, it's going to be fascinating!

[dream34]

Closet F1 fan all season and started getting into it a lot more because of Topps' releases. This Championship finish was absolutely amazing and just happy to be able to follow as it happened. From nearly every expert commentary I can gather, sounds like this will be one of the most memorable seasons ever.

I haven't followed for long enough, so I'm not quite sure how any dislike for Hamilton exists but I've slowly become a huge fan of him as the season progressed. Talent is undeniable, humble upbringing, competitive, and incredibly engaging with everyone (not just media). Finished it off with one of the classiest post championship competition comments I've ever seen. Seems to be everything we want to see in all our favorite athletes - rags to riches, generational talent, success, accolades, records, activism and approachable. Happy for him, his father and their family as they are extreme winners in my mind today and something that I'll show to my kid as she grows up.

Max is absolutely incredible, congrats to him and Red Bull.

I know this is a worldwide sport, but the US market is always extremely important (US Only Google Trending Searches):

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by 21Pittsburgh58

Schumacher / Latifi scrap is NOT insignificant to them. F1 careers don't last long and the young guys (one who happens to be a Schumacher) are racing for their future to possibly get with Mercedes/Red Bull/Ferrar/McLaren.

I'm guessing as long as Schumacher doesn't do something stupid... off track, or is reckless on the track that he will be a Ferrari driver in the near future. Sucks he didn't have a car to compete this year. Hopefully that changes in 2022. Hopefully he'll get a chance to battle with a competitive car and show off his skills.

I agree about Latifi and other younger drivers... any battle is key to future rides.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by dream34

Closet F1 fan all season and started getting into it a lot more because of Topps' releases. This Championship finish was absolutely amazing and just happy to be able to follow as it happened. From nearly every expert commentary I can gather, sounds like this will be one of the most memorable seasons ever.

I haven't followed for long enough, so I'm not quite sure how any dislike for Hamilton exists but I've slowly become a huge fan of him as the season progressed. Talent is undeniable, humble upbringing, competitive, and incredibly engaging with everyone (not just media). Finished it off with one of the classiest post championship competition comments I've ever seen. Seems to be everything we want to see in all our favorite athletes - rags to riches, generational talent, success, accolades, records, activism and approachable. Happy for him, his father and their family as they are extreme winners in my mind today and something that I'll show to my kid as she grows up.

Max is absolutely incredible, congrats to him and Red Bull.

I know this is a worldwide sport, but the US market is always extremely important (US Only Google Trending Searches):

If you've been watching the last several years, its more the way Mercedes has been dominating. Until this year, nobody was even close. The races were usually Mercedes 1-2 and Max thrown into the mix. Before that it was Vettle at Ferrari, but there have been no real challenges. The sport had become incredibly boring and predictable. Over the years, Lewis just pissed me off with his constant whining about tires when he's up over everyone else by more than 30 sec. Its was getting to the point where it was like watching a guy win a hr derby when he gets to use an aluminum bat and everyone else uses wood. The mercedes car has been so dominant pretty much anyone put it in would win most races until recently. Heck Botas never sniffed the podium prior to Merc and I'm sure Russell will be making lots of podiums next year. Yes, that's sort of how the sport always had been, but the best thing would be for more teams to have a chance. Then it actually does come down to the drivers.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by JRX

If you've been watching the last several years, its more the way Mercedes has been dominating. Until this year, nobody was even close. The races were usually Mercedes 1-2 and Max thrown into the mix. Before that it was Vettle at Ferrari, but there have been no real challenges. The sport had become incredibly boring and predictable. Over the years, Lewis just pissed me off with his constant whining about tires when he's up over everyone else by more than 30 sec. Its was getting to the point where it was like watching a guy win a hr derby when he gets to use an aluminum bat and everyone else uses wood. The mercedes car has been so dominant pretty much anyone put it in would win most races until recently. Heck Botas never sniffed the podium prior to Merc and I'm sure Russell will be making lots of podiums next year. Yes, that's sort of how the sport always had been, but the best thing would be for more teams to have a chance. Then it actually does come down to the drivers.

That's why I had a hard time following it the last few years. I always kinda tracked it but the championship was usually determined well before Abu Dhabi. I tracked last year a little more because Hamilton was on his way to #7.

I think the topps releases and the season we had was the perfect storm for F1. If you can hold something in your hand and root for that driver it helps. 22 races... Verstappen won 10, Hamilton won 8... that's exactly what F1 needed. New cars in 2022... hopefully other cars join the mix and each race is competitive.

[fadster]

I suspect today we will hear the Daimler board will have met and have told Toto to withdraw the appeal, the reputational damage to the brand isn't worth the long shot of it succeeding.

[Nutcracker33]

Originally Posted by fadster

I suspect today we will hear the Daimler board will have met and have told Toto to withdraw the appeal, the reputational damage to the brand isn't worth the long shot of it succeeding.

lol looks like Toto was having fun

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/co...s_something_i/

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Nutcracker33

lol looks like Toto was having fun

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/co...s_something_i/

I mean they did win the constructor's championship.

[Ferg1945]

Verstappen will use #1 next season.

Will 33/XXX or 33/XX lose value? Will he go back to #33 if he doesn't win the championship in 2022 or do you think he changes to a different number if he has to give up the #1.

I have 0 33/ - just curious

[JRX]

They should settle this the only fair way possible, bring back the top gear F1 driver in a reasonably priced car segment.

[Jon_21]

Can't wait for this next season of Drive to Survive. A full episode could be dedicated to this final lap just based on the team radio highlights which were quite interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K469WuoDJTw&t=339s

Lots of respect for Bottas who seemed to care a lot about Lewis' tires and the race ahead. Also very telling from Vettel and Alonso, the two vets and former world champs who knew exactly what was "supposed" to happen.

[Ianhatcher]

Looking forward to it as well as it's a fun behind the scenes look at the sport but Verstappen has said he won't be involved with DTS interviews so going to be interesting how they portray this race and the rivalry without him. Lots of Horner I imagine like we need to hear more of his whining.

[Cpdjoe77]

Originally Posted by Jon_21

Can't wait for this next season of Drive to Survive. A full episode could be dedicated to this final lap just based on the team radio highlights which were quite interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K469WuoDJTw&t=339s

Lots of respect for Bottas who seemed to care a lot about Lewis' tires and the race ahead. Also very telling from Vettel and Alonso, the two vets and former world champs who knew exactly what was "supposed" to happen.

That was very interesting, have seen bits and pieces but nice to have it all in one


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