2022 Topps Chrome Baseball Pre Sale.. thoughts? - Page 5

imbluestreak23 · 12-25-2021, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

In terms of players, 99% of them came through as BC prospects. The advantage with TC is one doesn’t have to worry about the ton of prospect busts that went nowhere. This makes BC the real dog collecting-wise.

You can either try and find Apple/MS/Tesla stock at IPO or wait until they've won their "championships"

Don't be upset if you aren't picking the right stocks.

oldgoldy97 · 12-25-2021, 10:41 AM

At least TC isn’t full of autos of rookie relievers with no value.

Oh, wait...

ThoseBackPages · 12-25-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by k13

With a million blasters printed base will tank fast.

No one opens wax anymore except breakers and wax investors are everywhere. No point in comparing it to 2018-19 chrome. It will be like 2020.

Franco won't put up the numbers Bichette did last year and no one cares about Bichette anymore.

Investors have left and its a fickle hobby with very short attention spans.

is canadian coal a different colour?

rwperu34 · 12-26-2021, 01:15 AM

Nobody cares about Bichette...except the people who pushed his BCA to $375 in my price index. That is his highest November number ever. He's down from the April peak, but so are a lot of guys...including Trout, Soto, Tatis, and Acuna. Trout is down almost 50% from that high point.

imbluestreak23 · 12-26-2021, 12:38 PM

5 days away from the year of wander and Bobby

cl456123 · 12-26-2021, 04:46 PM

I very much agree that the days of $90-100 hobby boxes are long gone and not coming back, but the fact is (in my opinion), I dont think hobby boxes are worth much more than that regardless of who is in the product. I personally feel a $250 pre-order is way too high, if i were going to buy, I'd be comfortable at like 180-200 max.

I think there's an excellent chance Bobby Witt ends up in 2022 Topps Chrome with of course Wander, the others some mentioned (Adley, J-Rod, Riley Greene etc) i dont see having any chance of making the 2022 Topps Chrome release as they would have to be in Series 2 in order to make Chrome and I just dont see that happening though MAYBE some of them get an auto only Topps Chrome spot was Kelenic did this year in 2021.

I would also say this, at 250/box if Bobby Witt makes the release with Wander a sure thing, I think if it's a pure investment and you're someone that has willpower to just throw them in the closet and never rip them, there is definitely solid investment value on these assuming both Wander and Witt do reach their max potential.

ThoseBackPages · 12-26-2021, 04:50 PM

Heres what i dont understand...

when 2019 TC debuted at the show, hobby boxes were $125 right on day one.

that was 2019, that was The Old Era

people think that in The New Era, boxes will be anywhere near that?

LVDan · 12-26-2021, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Heres what i dont understand...

when 2019 TC debuted at the show, hobby boxes were $125 right on day one.

that was 2019, that was The Old Era

people think that in The New Era, boxes will be anywhere near that?

Because the “new era” you speak of was largely attributed to the huge influx of non collector $ poured into the latest and greatest “alternative investment” talk in the face of free govt handouts in the aftermath of 2 incredible RC classes with insane talent at a very young age.
There will come a point that if distys want to move product instead of colluding to keep the “new era” pricing across the board they’ll have to come down I think.
Obviously Wander’s promise along with the possibility of BWJ, Jrod etc. may induce enough people early on to take the plunge on big wax purchases in 2022 at jacked up prices. Or maybe not.
The less than generational rookie classes from the last two years has obviously slowed that gravy train down for the time being along with at least a partial exodus of the “new dumb $”. Will excitement for Wander and the others be enough for demand to pickup where it left off after the breathtaking arrival of Juan, Ron, Ohtani, Tatis and Vlad?
As long as he absolutely rakes it’s certainly possible. Anything pedestrian though and I tend to believe prices will start coming down fast on what promise to be high water PRs for this era. I don’t know enough about broader overall economic factors affecting the market but most experts seem to agree that we may be in for a less than spectacular stretches in the next couple years too.
I don’t think the new era/old era thing is as cut and dried as it may seem.
That’s how I see it although I’ll readily admit I’m wrong several times every single day so maybe it’s everyone doubles their presale investment in 6 months!

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ThoseBackPages · 12-26-2021, 05:16 PM

fair points Dan.
But i think the think a lot of us here (most of us being of sound mind, and long time collecting) dont account for is the breaker and gambling culture.

Thats what cracks me up about the folks that like to scream "JWE 2.0", when there is nothing even close about the card business in 2021

Pacmeyer · 12-26-2021, 05:31 PM

The Bullpen basically sums up this new era. Button down fat cats (from stock boom not stimulus money... that's just ridiculous) pulling out wads of cash for box after box at the store, then spending more thousands at night for after hours IG breaks. There was a point where you couldn't walk through the store without tripping over all the wax.

brios8 · 12-26-2021, 06:01 PM

Just pulled the trigger and im in

5x Jumbo cases
5x Hobby cases

Will for sure buy more next month

There is no way in my opinion the boxes get to $180 with Wander in it, even if he starts slow. He already showed promise in the MLB and has been labelled by many as maybe the best rated prospect ever.
Ill take my chances at $250/box
I see the same odds of them getting to $200 or $500
With the chance of $750-900 if everything goes right

Usually my intuition works out well.
We will see

jduds · 12-26-2021, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Heres what i dont understand...

when 2019 TC debuted at the show, hobby boxes were $125 right on day one.

that was 2019, that was The Old Era

people think that in The New Era, boxes will be anywhere near that?

I don't think anyone thinks that (maybe someone did, but that's just goofy). I think what people are arguing is that 250 a box isn't a guaranteed moneymaker largely due to the print run and current market. Big difference in those positions.

hermanotarjeta · 12-26-2021, 06:37 PM

Good luck!

There are many worse things to blow $30,000 on, and worst comes to worst, you've got a mountain of wax to rip on a rainy day!

MoreToppsPlease · 12-26-2021, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

You can either try and find Apple/MS/Tesla stock at IPO or wait until they've won their "championships"

Don't be upset if you aren't picking the right stocks.

People picking stocks are better off spending their investment dollars elsewhere.

clocsta2323 · 12-26-2021, 06:50 PM

Godspeed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by brios8

Just pulled the trigger and im in

5x Jumbo cases
5x Hobby cases

Will for sure buy more next month

There is no way in my opinion the boxes get to $180 with Wander in it, even if he starts slow. He already showed promise in the MLB and has been labelled by many as maybe the best rated prospect ever.
Ill take my chances at $250/box
I see the same odds of them getting to $200 or $500
With the chance of $750-900 if everything goes right

Usually my intuition works out well.
We will see

cowboyzqna · 12-26-2021, 06:58 PM

I transitioned to singles years ago when boxes where "affordable" just no way I can justify paying what boxes cost now a days... I think it's been two or three years since I broke a box.

My collection is better than ever. I'll still run through the Walmarts from time to time but a $30 "kick in the pants" is alott easier to walk off than a $300 hyuwwwkin.

Having said that... I really want to break a box / case ) pallet of this product lol. Wander franco is that guy. No question about it. His color autos are going to be exceedingly valuable.

I bought my truck with Wander Franco cards (it's nothing special... Was just a couple K) but a gold or better Franco auto could buy a decent house round here lol.

MoreToppsPlease · 12-26-2021, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

At least TC isn’t full of autos of rookie relievers with no value.

Oh, wait...

Again, the same players that were in BC are in TC minus the guys who failed.

Not that it matters when Fanatics takes over. And thankfully right now there will be no MLB prospect product like BC. What will happen to old BC then?

jduds · 12-26-2021, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Again, the same players that were in BC are in TC minus the guys who failed.

Not that it matters when Fanatics takes over. And thankfully right now there will be no MLB prospect product like BC. What will happen to old BC then?

Why would you think there won't be a prospect product when it sells like hotcakes? Does Fanatics hate money?

Flamethrower · 12-26-2021, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by brios8

Just pulled the trigger and im in

5x Jumbo cases
5x Hobby cases

Will for sure buy more next month

There is no way in my opinion the boxes get to $180 with Wander in it, even if he starts slow. He already showed promise in the MLB and has been labelled by many as maybe the best rated prospect ever.
Ill take my chances at $250/box
I see the same odds of them getting to $200 or $500
With the chance of $750-900 if everything goes right

Usually my intuition works out well.
We will see

Holy #@#@#@#@! I smell a WallstreetBets retard for sure!

brios8 · 12-26-2021, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamethrower

Holy #@#@#@#@! I smell a WallstreetBets retard for sure!

naaah. I think I know what im doing

You can check some of my cards which might make you a believer as well...
Not trying to convince anyone, but I think its a great very safe buy

IG: ATSCARDS

update coming January, with the latest 2 months of additions.

Yaga · 12-26-2021, 08:03 PM

I pre-ordered a case + 4 boxes when they were 175 a box. 250 a box is a bit tougher and really relies on who else is in it besides Wander, and we won't know that for quite awhile.

brios8 · 12-26-2021, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaga

I pre-ordered a case + 4 boxes when they were 175 a box. 250 a box is a bit tougher and really relies on who else is in it besides Wander, and we won't know that for quite awhile.

Thats amazing! .001% chance you loose on them

Wish I had been ready to make that decision back when you did. Congrats on the great price

IlliniBear · 12-26-2021, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brios8

Just pulled the trigger and im in

5x Jumbo cases
5x Hobby cases

Will for sure buy more next month

There is no way in my opinion the boxes get to $180 with Wander in it, even if he starts slow. He already showed promise in the MLB and has been labelled by many as maybe the best rated prospect ever.
Ill take my chances at $250/box
I see the same odds of them getting to $200 or $500
With the chance of $750-900 if everything goes right

Usually my intuition works out well.
We will see

$30,000. Good luck with your investment. Seems risky to me. 6 months is a long way to project.

brios8 · 12-26-2021, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by IlliniBear

$30,000. Good luck with your investment. Seems risky to me. 6 months is a long way to project.

Thanks

All I need is Wander to be there, which he will be. With that alone im in.

I think the reward far exceeds the risk.. but no one knows and of course there is risk. As crazy as it sounds, I just think I could loose 20% or make 200% with around the same odds of either happening

Yaga · 12-26-2021, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brios8

Thats amazing! .001% chance you loose on them

Wish I had been ready to make that decision back when you did. Congrats on the great price

Thanks! They didn't last long at that price so I jumped on it fast! Figured you can't lose at that price

12-25-2021, 10:41 AM	#102
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 51,794	At least TC isn’t full of autos of rookie relievers with no value. Oh, wait... __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

12-26-2021, 01:15 AM	#104
rwperu34 Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 8,432	Nobody cares about Bichette...except the people who pushed his BCA to $375 in my price index. That is his highest November number ever. He's down from the April peak, but so are a lot of guys...including Trout, Soto, Tatis, and Acuna. Trout is down almost 50% from that high point. __________________ Me: Did I win? Gixen: Yes. You won. Now you're broke.

12-26-2021, 12:38 PM	#105
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,846 shortslabs	5 days away from the year of wander and Bobby __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

12-26-2021, 04:50 PM	#107
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,419 ThoseBackPages	Heres what i dont understand... when 2019 TC debuted at the show, hobby boxes were $125 right on day one. that was 2019, that was The Old Era people think that in The New Era, boxes will be anywhere near that? __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

12-26-2021, 05:16 PM	#109
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,419 ThoseBackPages	fair points Dan. But i think the think a lot of us here (most of us being of sound mind, and long time collecting) dont account for is the breaker and gambling culture. Thats what cracks me up about the folks that like to scream "JWE 2.0", when there is nothing even close about the card business in 2021 __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

12-26-2021, 04:46 PM	#106
cl456123 Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Long Island Posts: 917 CL456123	I very much agree that the days of $90-100 hobby boxes are long gone and not coming back, but the fact is (in my opinion), I dont think hobby boxes are worth much more than that regardless of who is in the product. I personally feel a $250 pre-order is way too high, if i were going to buy, I'd be comfortable at like 180-200 max. I think there's an excellent chance Bobby Witt ends up in 2022 Topps Chrome with of course Wander, the others some mentioned (Adley, J-Rod, Riley Greene etc) i dont see having any chance of making the 2022 Topps Chrome release as they would have to be in Series 2 in order to make Chrome and I just dont see that happening though MAYBE some of them get an auto only Topps Chrome spot was Kelenic did this year in 2021. I would also say this, at 250/box if Bobby Witt makes the release with Wander a sure thing, I think if it's a pure investment and you're someone that has willpower to just throw them in the closet and never rip them, there is definitely solid investment value on these assuming both Wander and Witt do reach their max potential.

12-26-2021, 05:31 PM	#110
Pacmeyer Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: All over Posts: 4,206	The Bullpen basically sums up this new era. Button down fat cats (from stock boom not stimulus money... that's just ridiculous) pulling out wads of cash for box after box at the store, then spending more thousands at night for after hours IG breaks. There was a point where you couldn't walk through the store without tripping over all the wax.

12-26-2021, 06:01 PM	#111
brios8 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: South Padre Island, TX Posts: 6,992 brios8 brios8	Just pulled the trigger and im in 5x Jumbo cases 5x Hobby cases Will for sure buy more next month There is no way in my opinion the boxes get to $180 with Wander in it, even if he starts slow. He already showed promise in the MLB and has been labelled by many as maybe the best rated prospect ever. Ill take my chances at $250/box I see the same odds of them getting to $200 or $500 With the chance of $750-900 if everything goes right Usually my intuition works out well. We will see

12-26-2021, 06:37 PM	#113
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 22,248	Good luck! There are many worse things to blow $30,000 on, and worst comes to worst, you've got a mountain of wax to rip on a rainy day!

12-26-2021, 06:58 PM	#116
cowboyzqna Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Moundridge KS Posts: 9,265 cowboyzqna	I transitioned to singles years ago when boxes where "affordable" just no way I can justify paying what boxes cost now a days... I think it's been two or three years since I broke a box. My collection is better than ever. I'll still run through the Walmarts from time to time but a $30 "kick in the pants" is alott easier to walk off than a $300 hyuwwwkin. Having said that... I really want to break a box / case ) pallet of this product lol. Wander franco is that guy. No question about it. His color autos are going to be exceedingly valuable. I bought my truck with Wander Franco cards (it's nothing special... Was just a couple K) but a gold or better Franco auto could buy a decent house round here lol. __________________ I am a Lucky Man

12-26-2021, 08:03 PM	#121
Yaga Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 7,525	I pre-ordered a case + 4 boxes when they were 175 a box. 250 a box is a bit tougher and really relies on who else is in it besides Wander, and we won't know that for quite awhile.