I'm calling it now, I think Aaron Rodgers forces a trade from the Packers

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by packman80

He does not want a ext he wants out of GB and with him redoing his contract so the 2023 year voided forces GB to trade him this off-season since they are also blocked on using the FT on him.

So I guess you are ignoring everything that happened this season and sticking with the thought process of last offseason.

Because everything I've heard is that the relationship with him and management has greatly improved over the course of the year and he has been meeting regularly with the front office. Last year he voiced his concerns and the team worked with him.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

I think an extension is the most likely solution, although an extension or trade both create the same amount of cap space in 2022 given the dead money and proration of his signing bonus from the last deal that remains.



That's a bold statement that both Aaron's words and actions have disputed. There is a 0% chance he hits free agency next year - if he decides he wants to stay in Green Bay this year, he'll get extended. If not, he either retires or gets traded.

Right, if you're looking at a sunk $20 million cap hit, I'd rather have that hit on my team rather than playing for someone else. I don't want another Brady situation.

The people that are so confident he still wants out of GB are the ones that ignored everything that has happened since last off season. The team went and got him Cobb like he asked, he's been talking on a regular basis with the front office, and he said this season was the most fun he's had in a long time. Not seeing anything to suggest he's still dead set on wanting out. He wanted out because he felt like he didn't have a voice within the organization, sure seems like he does now.

[epatmythes]

Originally Posted by packman80

He does not want a ext he wants out of GB and with him redoing his contract so the 2023 year voided forces GB to trade him this off-season since they are also blocked on using the FT on him.

Yup.

Last night, I watched the full Aaron Rodgers Tuesday interview from the Pat McAfee show. Having been following the Packers my whole life. Having followed Rodgers his whole career. Being use to how he talks and what it usually means...

That entire interview was a very obvious example of "Tell me you're going to demand a trade, without telling me you're demanding a trade."

He's done with Green Bay... but he's not saying that until after NFL Honors, and quite possibly the Super Bowl. It's Aaron Rodgers, he'll wait until the media frenzy around the Super Bowl winner dies down... and then, BAMM, it's time for the Rodgers media show!

[lambeauleap87]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Right, if you're looking at a sunk $20 million cap hit, I'd rather have that hit on my team rather than playing for someone else. I don't want another Brady situation.

The people that are so confident he still wants out of GB are the ones that ignored everything that has happened since last off season. The team went and got him Cobb like he asked, he's been talking on a regular basis with the front office, and he said this season was the most fun he's had in a long time. Not seeing anything to suggest he's still dead set on wanting out. He wanted out because he felt like he didn't have a voice within the organization, sure seems like he does now.

And I think a lot of it is going to depend on what the Packers do to get under the cap. Rodgers and Adams are effectively a package deal (they aren't keeping one without the other) - and Rodgers's contract is the key to being able to afford Adams back. There are so many moving pieces that will continue to move that it's impossible to do anything but mindlessly speculate.

After the last decade of playoff losses, it's not impossible for the Packers to want to move on at this point. Shed some major contracts (Rodgers, the Smiths, Cobb, etc.), acquire a ton of assets, and see what a massive organizational change can do in the long-term, even if it means a few lean years. It's not nearly as easy for the front office to say "let's run it back and worry about it next year" like they were able to do last year at this time.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

And I think a lot of it is going to depend on what the Packers do to get under the cap. Rodgers and Adams are effectively a package deal (they aren't keeping one without the other) - and Rodgers's contract is the key to being able to afford Adams back. There are so many moving pieces that will continue to move that it's impossible to do anything but mindlessly speculate.

After the last decade of playoff losses, it's not impossible for the Packers to want to move on at this point. Shed some major contracts (Rodgers, the Smiths, Cobb, etc.), acquire a ton of assets, and see what a massive organizational change can do in the long-term, even if it means a few lean years. It's not nearly as easy for the front office to say "let's run it back and worry about it next year" like they were able to do last year at this time.

Cutting the Smiths clears up $30 million cap space. Z missed the whole season. While he's been great with the team, last year showed he's replaceable. Preston has been fine, but replaceable. Cobb is tricky because Aaron wanted him back, hope he wants to retire and make it easy on them

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by epatmythes

Yup.

Last night, I watched the full Aaron Rodgers Tuesday interview from the Pat McAfee show. Having been following the Packers my whole life. Having followed Rodgers his whole career. Being use to how he talks and what it usually means...

That entire interview was a very obvious example of "Tell me you're going to demand a trade, without telling me you're demanding a trade."

He's done with Green Bay... but he's not saying that until after NFL Honors, and quite possibly the Super Bowl. It's Aaron Rodgers, he'll wait until the media frenzy around the Super Bowl winner dies down... and then, BAMM, it's time for the Rodgers media show!

I've watched most of it as well and I did not come to that same conclusion. And I've followed the team my whole life as well. Even trying to read between all the lines, this is not the same Rodgers as last off season. Aaron has never been one to place the blame on himself like he did now. He's always chosen his words very carefully, this was more somber than ever.

He literally said that he's in a really good place relationally with the team, and especially with Gutenkunst and stated their friendship and trust have grown. If you've followed him his whole career, I'm not sure how you could hear him say that and say that he 100% wants out still.

[epatmythes]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I've watched most of it as well and I did not come to that same conclusion. And I've followed the team my whole life as well. Even trying to read between all the lines, this is not the same Rodgers as last off season. Aaron has never been one to place the blame on himself like he did now. He's always chosen his words very carefully, this was more somber than ever.

He literally said that he's in a really good place relationally with the team, and especially with Gutenkunst and stated their friendship and trust have grown. If you've followed him his whole career, I'm not sure how you could hear him say that and say that he 100% wants out still.

It's Aaron Rodgers... he is, and always has been, very careful and selective in what he says... and even more so, in what he doesn't say...

Relationship with Gutenkunst : Starting at 16:20 : After praising his relationship with Gute... talks about "It would be a simple conversation, whatever comes out is moving forward" and "We'll have a convo, and that will be that" and harps on that relationship leading to a conversation that that is what's right because it will be best for him, Gute, the organization, everyone involved.

17:10 to 18:25 - Pat laid it right out, that staying with the Packers is an option? Another case of "what he doesn't say". When Pat says "staying with the Packers", he started blinking like crazy. When he started talking, he never acknowledged or stated that as even being an option... instead, said there are obvious outcomes, but "I won't get into that"

Starting at 22:00 - Again, back to his mindset with the future. Again, never mentions or even talks about the Packers. Talks about talking to his agent though. And instead, he bold states that he likes the uncertainty of his future, it's exciting.

26:30 to 28:00 - Talking about his decision process. Never says the words Green Bay or Packers. However, talks about his desire to "be respectful to the organization" and that he "won't drag this out, 100%, will not happen"

Like I said... he's not saying anything definitive right now with NFL Honors, and him likely getting the MVP, coming up. He's not (or I'd hope) going to try to make the news cycle about him ahead of and/or during the Super Bowl...

But sorry my fellow Packer Backer... all his words, the calculation and thought you see him putting into it... it's all "break up" talk... 100%

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by epatmythes

It's Aaron Rodgers... he is, and always has been, very careful and selective in what he says... and even more so, in what he doesn't say...

Relationship with Gutenkunst : Starting at 16:20 : After praising his relationship with Gute... talks about "It would be a simple conversation, whatever comes out is moving forward" and "We'll have a convo, and that will be that" and harps on that relationship leading to a conversation that that is what's right because it will be best for him, Gute, the organization, everyone involved.

17:10 to 18:25 - Pat laid it right out, that staying with the Packers is an option? Another case of "what he doesn't say". When Pat says "staying with the Packers", he started blinking like crazy. When he started talking, he never acknowledged or stated that as even being an option... instead, said there are obvious outcomes, but "I won't get into that"

Starting at 22:00 - Again, back to his mindset with the future. Again, never mentions or even talks about the Packers. Talks about talking to his agent though. And instead, he bold states that he likes the uncertainty of his future, it's exciting.

26:30 to 28:00 - Talking about his decision process. Never says the words Green Bay or Packers. However, talks about his desire to "be respectful to the organization" and that he "won't drag this out, 100%, will not happen"

Like I said... he's not saying anything definitive right now with NFL Honors, and him likely getting the MVP, coming up. He's not (or I'd hope) going to try to make the news cycle about him ahead of and/or during the Super Bowl...

But sorry my fellow Packer Backer... all his words, the calculation and thought you see him putting into it... it's all "break up" talk... 100%

Just like last year when everyone said there was no chance that he would play for the Packers in 2021?

You listen to him talk about the covid stuff and how he didn't want to be the center of attention with it. And he wasn't until he got it and was ruled out by unvaccinated status. That plays into it.

He talked about not wanting to drag it out and be respectful to Davante and the team, and not make a huge media frenzy, like you are thinking. He's never talked that way before, that plays into it.

We know hes extremely calculated. That's why he chose to not say anything leaning either way. You chose to hear he didn't mention the Packers and therefore he still hates them and wants out. I heard him remain as neutral as possible to not create drama either way. He talks about it being a simple conversation and that will be that. Well, a trade isn't going to be a simple that's that convo. He never mentions the Packers, he never mentions the thought of another team, he didn't suggest that he wants to keep playing, he didn't suggest that he's ready to call it quits. Like AJ said after the interview, I don't beleve he's made any type of decision yet. I do think that the way he talked about how easy the decision would have been if he was making it after playing in the Super Bowl suggests he would have called it a career with a win.

That 17 minute you talked about, his blinking was the same throughout the question, the blinking remained steady throughout the Packer part, through the other teams part, through the free agency part. And then he followed it up with free agency is not an option, but everything else is still on the table.

You say you don't think that he would try to make the news cycle during Pro Bowl weekend or leading up to the Super Bowl about him. That's exactly what Aaron of before this season would do, to drop that huge bombshell during a nothing massive event to try and hide it. Remember, the threat of trade or retirement came out during draft weekend.

It's fun to try and speculate about his future, but trying to say you know exactly 100% what he's going to do (especially based on a interview with the guy he's been more open and honest to than anyone else ever) is a bit crazy. But I really don't think he's going to go in and demand a trade. Not saying that a trade won't happen, but I think he goes in with a plan of let's see if we can make it work and keep Davante and Cobb and David, and still produce the same solid defense. And if they can't, they mutually agree to look into a trade, not Aaron coming in saying trade him from the get go

[roro17]

He'll go wherever Nathaniel Hackett goes (Denver)

[epatmythes]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Just like last year when everyone said there was no chance that he would play for the Packers in 2021?

You listen to him talk about the covid stuff and how he didn't want to be the center of attention with it. And he wasn't until he got it and was ruled out by unvaccinated status. That plays into it.

He talked about not wanting to drag it out and be respectful to Davante and the team, and not make a huge media frenzy, like you are thinking. He's never talked that way before, that plays into it.

We know hes extremely calculated. That's why he chose to not say anything leaning either way. You chose to hear he didn't mention the Packers and therefore he still hates them and wants out. I heard him remain as neutral as possible to not create drama either way. He talks about it being a simple conversation and that will be that. Well, a trade isn't going to be a simple that's that convo. He never mentions the Packers, he never mentions the thought of another team, he didn't suggest that he wants to keep playing, he didn't suggest that he's ready to call it quits. Like AJ said after the interview, I don't beleve he's made any type of decision yet. I do think that the way he talked about how easy the decision would have been if he was making it after playing in the Super Bowl suggests he would have called it a career with a win.

That 17 minute you talked about, his blinking was the same throughout the question, the blinking remained steady throughout the Packer part, through the other teams part, through the free agency part. And then he followed it up with free agency is not an option, but everything else is still on the table.

You say you don't think that he would try to make the news cycle during Pro Bowl weekend or leading up to the Super Bowl about him. That's exactly what Aaron of before this season would do, to drop that huge bombshell during a nothing massive event to try and hide it. Remember, the threat of trade or retirement came out during draft weekend.

It's fun to try and speculate about his future, but trying to say you know exactly 100% what he's going to do (especially based on a interview with the guy he's been more open and honest to than anyone else ever) is a bit crazy. But I really don't think he's going to go in and demand a trade. Not saying that a trade won't happen, but I think he goes in with a plan of let's see if we can make it work and keep Davante and Cobb and David, and still produce the same solid defense. And if they can't, they mutually agree to look into a trade, not Aaron coming in saying trade him from the get go

A) Never did I say he hates them and wants out! Do I believe he hates them? No. In fact I believe they mended a lot of fences this year. Do I believe he wants out? Yep, sure do!

B) Saying it 100% sounds like break up talk, is 100%, not at all like saying I know exactly 100% what he's going to do. I did figure it might be a stretch for dudes on a card message board to relate to the idea/concept/understanding of break up talk... but that's quite the leap in twisting words!

C) "goes in with a plan of let's see if we can make it work and keep Davante and Cobb and David, and still produce the same solid defense." Come on bro, I think you dream too much... that, 100%, is fiscally impossible, and that I (or anyone) can say with a very high degree of certainty. Aaron very, very much understands the business of football... he knows it too!

He talked about Davante and the other guys. He talked about being respectful to the organization. He mentioning knowing Tae don't want the tag! Yes, he said it would be a nice, easy, short conversation. He mentioned talking to his agent first.

"I appreciate how much we grew and worked together last year. I appreciate you redoing my deal so we could have this talk now. We all gave it our all and fell short, and I get that we simply can't keep the band together. Here is a list of the teams I'd be interested in going to. Let's get a deal done that benefits us both."

Seems pretty short and respectful to me.



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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Grid

Broncos are in win now mode. They have a top 5 Defense. They have good backs, with both Williams and Gordon almost hitting 1,000 yards each.

Producing skill player? If that is how you see Jeudy. I see a player that has not lived up to his draft status. In 10 games this year, he only had 450 yards and not a single TD. Dealing him, knowing Adams will tag along with Rodgers, makes it an enticing throw in for the Packers, who would be losing Adams.

There is no pick they will make at #9 in the draft, will have have a bigger impact than bringing in a back to back MVP.



See above. They have 11 picks in the draft, including five in the top 100. To them, that 9 pick is not as urgent as other teams. And considering their one glaring need is QB, it almost makes too much sense.

They are not looking for the long haul. Elway has shown that when he brought in Manning, to support his already good defense.

Same drill right now. Would the Packers agree to move on from Prince Sourpuss for anything less?

Probably the only thing we agree on. Arod will either be playing next year or sitting on the bench. Either way his jersey is green. If it’s not, I’m willing to bet it’s no where near price you’re talking about.

There’s no leverage we all now that. It’s just another Antonio brown, Leveon bell, Earl Thomas, Deshaun Watson case. Once they’ve publicly mentioned they will not return to your organization they're pennies to the dollar. Most of those players didn’t even get anything in return. They just warmed the bench. They aren’t Rodgers but same logic applies. There’s always next year in FA

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by epatmythes

B) Saying it 100% sounds like break up talk, is 100%, not at all like saying I know exactly 100% what he's going to do. I did figure it might be a stretch for dudes on a card message board to relate to the idea/concept/understanding of break up talk... but that's quite the leap in twisting words!

C) "goes in with a plan of let's see if we can make it work and keep Davante and Cobb and David, and still produce the same solid defense." Come on bro, I think you dream too much... that, 100%, is fiscally impossible, and that I (or anyone) can say with a very high degree of certainty. Aaron very, very much understands the business of football... he knows it too!


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B. I'm not twisting your words. You have said he wants out and is going to demand a trade. You based it on him not specifically saying the Packer name and talking to his agent. You also ignored that he never named the other options either. And of course there's going to be talk with his agent. If he wants to stay in GB, there's going to be contract talks, which means he needs to get with his agent to figure out exactly what he's willing to do and acxept. Again, I'm not sure how you've associated talking to his agent with only wanting out of GB.

C. Teams are amazing at manipulating the cap numbers. Cutting Z, who did not play this season, cutting Preston, who has been a solid contributor but replaceable, and extending Aaron gets them under the cap. Dave's too big of a cap hit to move. Cobb is easily restructured. Getting back to even makes resigning Adams very doable. Resigning MVS is no problem. It's really not the pipe dream you think it is. But you seem to think you are so right in him wanting out that you don't even want to consider that it is possible to make it work

[lakesidez]

With Hackett now going to the Broncos does Rodgers demand a trade to Denver?

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by lakesidez

With Hackett now going to the Broncos does Rodgers demand a trade to Denver?

I'd say it depends on what Luke Getsy does. GB promoting him to OC needs to be top priority

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by lakesidez

With Hackett now going to the Broncos does Rodgers demand a trade to Denver?

I'm not sure about "demand" - it was negotiated before this season that ARod would be traded if he wanted to be - but it makes it VERY likely. He absolutely loves Hackett (and Getsy) and they are really close. UPDATE:

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Denver just has so much cap space along with the structures of a very good roster. Let's say Juedy is included in the trade - you still have Courtland Sutton, Tim Patrick, KJ Hamler, and Noah Fant, plus the possible addition of D. Adams. They also have a solid running back in Javonte Williams (2nd round pick) and a few pieces at OL.

The defense? It's elite.

Damn, I just hope the Packers can get a bounty of picks from them in the deal.

[ddouglas14]

Is anyone EVER going to acknowledge that Denver IS in rebuilding mode? This is not the 2012 team that Manning signed to as a free agent, nonetheless ... that Broncos team was coming off a division round appearance with Tebow as their QB ... 2022 Broncos are coming off of 5 straight losing seasons and trading away one of their top defensive players. I do not think 12 is scared of the division or conference, but he has said explicitly that he does not want to be part of a rebuild.

[epatmythes]

Originally Posted by whitmm

B. I'm not twisting your words. You have said he wants out and is going to demand a trade. You based it on him not specifically saying the Packer name and talking to his agent. You also ignored that he never named the other options either. And of course there's going to be talk with his agent. If he wants to stay in GB, there's going to be contract talks, which means he needs to get with his agent to figure out exactly what he's willing to do and acxept. Again, I'm not sure how you've associated talking to his agent with only wanting out of GB.

C. Teams are amazing at manipulating the cap numbers. Cutting Z, who did not play this season, cutting Preston, who has been a solid contributor but replaceable, and extending Aaron gets them under the cap. Dave's too big of a cap hit to move. Cobb is easily restructured. Getting back to even makes resigning Adams very doable. Resigning MVS is no problem. It's really not the pipe dream you think it is. But you seem to think you are so right in him wanting out that you don't even want to consider that it is possible to make it work

What motivates Aaron to renegotiate his contract for an extension to help the Packers cap situation, when he spent the entire previous off-season on a drama trip to actually get his contract shortened, by essentially, a year? We really gonna give Aaron a pass here and believe he's a changed man because the Packers caved to him this year and he talked nice? The same Aaron that doesn't speak to his own family, remembers every slight ever thrown his way and is world famous for his ability to hold a grudge? 6 months of relative even keel behavior trumps 38 years of who he inherently is as a person? Kaaron will be back in some way shape or form... it's who he is!

Davante ain't gonna be cheap. He'll probably be more expensive as a tag, but is he really motivated to sign even a 3-5 year deal with the Packers if he believes, at best, he might only have 1-2 more years with Rodgers? Even if he was, knowing that, highly unlikely he takes a back loaded team friendly deal... it would make no sense!

MVS, St. Brown & Taylor as all UFA. Lazard is RFA. Every single one of those 4 had contracts under $1M in 2021... they need to resign at least 2 of them, you really think any of them are coming back for the same or less than what they were making... which wasn't much in today's NFL? PS - Tonyan is also a UFA, we don't want him back?

Sure, cut the Smith brothers. Let Kevin King walk (please, let that happen). De'Vondre Campbell and Rasul Douglas are also UFA. Those guys balled out and accounted for just under $3M combined last year. No way they get even one of them for just $3M! Tell me again about how they plan to still produce that same solid defense?

So many Packers fans want to believe there is a way. Heck, I'd like to believe their is a way, but reality is daunting!

At this point, Aaron & Davante are pretty much a package deal (if GB is viable). We've suffered 3 years of amazing regular season success and playoff heartbreak. For the future of the organization, they are worth more to the Packers gone, then they are staying... no matter how much our hearts would love to see them in Green & Gold. Football is a business, we're just fans!

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by ddouglas14

Is anyone EVER going to acknowledge that Denver IS in rebuilding mode? This is not the 2012 team that Manning signed to as a free agent, nonetheless ... that Broncos team was coming off a division round appearance with Tebow as their QB ... 2022 Broncos are coming off of 5 straight losing seasons and trading away one of their top defensive players. I do not think 12 is scared of the division or conference, but he has said explicitly that he does not want to be part of a rebuild.

Dude, I get it, it sucks but you need to accept this is going to happen and just pray to sweet Jesus the Packers get a ton back.

The Broncos are not close to "rebuilding mode." They have great skill players on offense and their defense was #3 in the league last year.

This is not a rebuild. They are a QB away.

[ddouglas14]

I think a lot of people are missing the locker room side of 12 staying ... you can extend Bahk, Z, and 12 to save $40M, cut Cobb and B Turner and you have another $14M ... basically at that point you have one cut or extension to sign Davante and one more for the draft picks, bottom of roster ... Campbell and Douglas played their way out of GB, tough pill to swallow but true and they earned the $ coming their way ... could we get some veteran discounts sure, Cobb most likely, but if 12 wants to run it back and 17 is on board it is possible ... if they do not want to, love is the QB ... can really only afford one on his rookie contract with what we still owe 12 ... so your only reasonable alternatives are Love, Hurts, Tua ... maybe one or two more ... Philly would be an interesting trade partner ... draft capital, a qb on a rookie deal, playoff team ... a lot more going for them than DEN, other than being in the NFC of course. Oh, and yes, i understand that everything above would put us in cap hell for each of the next 3 off seasons ... yep

[ddouglas14]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Dude, I get it, it sucks but you need to accept this is going to happen and just pray to sweet Jesus the Packers get a ton back.

The Broncos are not close to "rebuilding mode." They have great skill players on offense and their defense was #3 in the league last year.

This is not a rebuild. They are a QB away.

They gave up 36 points in 4 games against the worst teams in the NFL, I get that they have some guys with high Madden ratings but where is all the love for their D coming from? Look at their schedule and also results post Miller trade, that is not the 2012 Denver defense ... Honestly i do not think 12 would be ok with that destination ... SF, LV, Phi, Mia all make more sense, SF just doesn't have the capital to do it

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by epatmythes

What motivates Aaron to renegotiate his contract for an extension to help the Packers cap situation, when he spent the entire previous off-season on a drama trip to actually get his contract shortened, by essentially, a year? We really gonna give Aaron a pass here and believe he's a changed man because the Packers caved to him this year and he talked nice? The same Aaron that doesn't speak to his own family, remembers every slight ever thrown his way and is world famous for his ability to hold a grudge? 6 months of relative even keel behavior trumps 38 years of who he inherently is as a person? Kaaron will be back in some way shape or form... it's who he is!

Aaron restructured in 2019. The voiding of the final year of his contract actually provided future cap relief as well. Let's drop the whole "Aaron's never helped the team with cap issues."

The whole point of redoing the deal and voiding the final year of the contract was because of his frustrations with the front office and lack of being involved and communicated with. That void year was already written into the contract, it's a common thing to do with contracts. The only difference is that they chose to void it very early in the contract, usually they get voided in the second to last season of the contract. Last season, in terms of a relationship, was Aaron saying their issues, here's what needs to change in our relationship if this is going to continue to work. And the team did their best to work on those things. Part of the agreement was if Aaron was still unhappy that they would agree to move on. Aaron seems to be pleased with the progress that was made. All of Aaron's reasons for wanting out where due to frustrations with the front office. It's not like he just doesn't want to be in Green Bay.

You talk about all the guys that they picked up cheap that had monster years. Sure they might not be able to resign those guys. But you have the same front office guys that found those diamonds in the rough, maybe they do it again? Belichick was successful at getting all-pro play out of nobodies. That's what you saw with Campbell and Douglas this year. They stepped up when others went down. Douglas never plays if Jaire doesn't get hurt.

Of your WR, MVS is the only one Rodgers cares about. St. Brown could be resigned for pennies, he hasn't done anything to prove he's worth paying. And who the hell is Taylor? Are you talking about Malik Taylor, the random warm body that had 9 total targets in 2 seasons? Or Patrick Taylor, the rookie 3rd string RB?

[bloodwings19]

Vegas Raiders, or Seattle Seahawks. I think he wants to be closer to wife actress and his home in Cali. One criteria Rodgers is looking at is that the team is not grooming a young QB, I think he wants security which the Packers didn't give him. He may want warm weather and dome stadium to add to his passing records. Seahawks with Pete Carroll may intrigue him, Carroll signing Adrian Peterson should tell you what type of coach he is. Dark horse is TB Bucs, if Brady leaves. I think he has this I can do better mindset. I'd be surprised if D.Adams and A.Rodgers don't play together next year in GB, or another team. Like Brady and Gronk. If D.Adams goes back to GB, I think Rodgers follow him. I think he cares more about teammates than management, or coach. Imo...

[epatmythes]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Aaron restructured in 2019. The voiding of the final year of his contract actually provided future cap relief as well. Let's drop the whole "Aaron's never helped the team with cap issues."

The whole point of redoing the deal and voiding the final year of the contract was because of his frustrations with the front office and lack of being involved and communicated with. That void year was already written into the contract, it's a common thing to do with contracts. The only difference is that they chose to void it very early in the contract, usually they get voided in the second to last season of the contract. Last season, in terms of a relationship, was Aaron saying their issues, here's what needs to change in our relationship if this is going to continue to work. And the team did their best to work on those things. Part of the agreement was if Aaron was still unhappy that they would agree to move on. Aaron seems to be pleased with the progress that was made. All of Aaron's reasons for wanting out where due to frustrations with the front office. It's not like he just doesn't want to be in Green Bay.

You talk about all the guys that they picked up cheap that had monster years. Sure they might not be able to resign those guys. But you have the same front office guys that found those diamonds in the rough, maybe they do it again? Belichick was successful at getting all-pro play out of nobodies. That's what you saw with Campbell and Douglas this year. They stepped up when others went down. Douglas never plays if Jaire doesn't get hurt.

Of your WR, MVS is the only one Rodgers cares about. St. Brown could be resigned for pennies, he hasn't done anything to prove he's worth paying. And who the hell is Taylor? Are you talking about Malik Taylor, the random warm body that had 9 total targets in 2 seasons? Or Patrick Taylor, the rookie 3rd string RB?

It's like talking to a brickwall having a debate with you...

Go on the attack over my WR statements... while I clearly said they need to keep 2. Any packer fan, heck, any football fan, knows the 2 they best would need to keep are MVS and Lazard. But sure, nit pick away at Taylor!

You advocated the point about keeping the same solid defense... now you basically seem to concede that the solution is to get rid of 4 starters... and hope they find lightning in a bottle again... yeah, okay.

I am a compassionate person though... sincerely... please don't hurt yourself when your lord and savior is gone... We need more Packers fans in the world, not less!

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Originally Posted by ddouglas14

Is anyone EVER going to acknowledge that Denver IS in rebuilding mode? This is not the 2012 team that Manning signed to as a free agent, nonetheless ... that Broncos team was coming off a division round appearance with Tebow as their QB ... 2022 Broncos are coming off of 5 straight losing seasons and trading away one of their top defensive players. I do not think 12 is scared of the division or conference, but he has said explicitly that he does not want to be part of a rebuild.

Why would anyone EVER acknowledge that? Just like I posted the other day, in this thread:

Broncos are in win now mode. They have a top 5 Defense. They have good backs, with both Williams and Gordon almost hitting 1,000 yards each.

While the leadership of Fangio was lackluster at best, and lead to him getting fired. They have a talented roster, outside of QB play.

Teddy B was a rent-an-arm. Not sure how many victories they were expecting out of him, and his 16 TD's per season. Not like they have anything better, as Drew Lock sure isn't the answer.

Adding Rodgers and then bringing in Adams makes them a contender IMO

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Originally Posted by epatmythes

It's like talking to a brickwall having a debate with you...

Go on the attack over my WR statements... while I clearly said they need to keep 2. Any packer fan, heck, any football fan, knows the 2 they best would need to keep are MVS and Lazard. But sure, nit pick away at Taylor!

You advocated the point about keeping the same solid defense... now you basically seem to concede that the solution is to get rid of 4 starters... and hope they find lightning in a bottle again... yeah, okay.

I am a compassionate person though... sincerely... please don't hurt yourself when your lord and savior is gone... We need more Packers fans in the world, not less!

You threw out names of random football players and said they needed to keep some of them, so yes, I'm going to ask why you included some practice squad player.

For the defense. Douglas was cut by 2 teams and was on Arizona's PS before getting signed because on injuries. He was absolutely lightning in a bottle for the Packers. It seems like he's just as likely to return to his former version than he is to continue being the stud he was, and that's not worth overpaying him to find out. Z didn't play in 2021, so no, I'm not going to consider him a starter, they did what they did without him. Campbell is a guy that played himself out of GB, good for him. Thinking that two guys that caught lightning in a bottle are going to continue to produce at such a high level is no different than me thinking they can find someone to replace them.

This bolded statement says everything I need to know about you. You claim that I'm the brick wall. Just admit you don't like Aaron and want him gone. You are the one that insists he wants out. You are the one that insists there's no way to keep him and still be competitive. You are the one that went deep diving into his body language to say he is through with GB. You been presented with viable options and scenarios that keep him there and you're only response is that we're dreaming. Because you don't want to listen to those, because you're so ready to break up with him. And no, he's not my lord and savior, but I know he's better than any other option than what is out there. You talk about needing more Packer fans in the world, maybe look in the mirror before you make stupid comments like this. You can have the conversation without talking down to others.