I'm calling it now, I think Aaron Rodgers forces a trade from the Packers

[epatmythes]

Originally Posted by whitmm

You threw out names of random football players and said they needed to keep some of them, so yes, I'm going to ask why you included some practice squad player.

For the defense. Douglas was cut by 2 teams and was on Arizona's PS before getting signed because on injuries. He was absolutely lightning in a bottle for the Packers. It seems like he's just as likely to return to his former version than he is to continue being the stud he was, and that's not worth overpaying him to find out. Z didn't play in 2021, so no, I'm not going to consider him a starter, they did what they did without him. Campbell is a guy that played himself out of GB, good for him. Thinking that two guys that caught lightning in a bottle are going to continue to produce at such a high level is no different than me thinking they can find someone to replace them.

This bolded statement says everything I need to know about you. You claim that I'm the brick wall. Just admit you don't like Aaron and want him gone. You are the one that insists he wants out. You are the one that insists there's no way to keep him and still be competitive. You are the one that went deep diving into his body language to say he is through with GB. You been presented with viable options and scenarios that keep him there and you're only response is that we're dreaming. Because you don't want to listen to those, because you're so ready to break up with him. And no, he's not my lord and savior, but I know he's better than any other option than what is out there. You talk about needing more Packer fans in the world, maybe look in the mirror before you make stupid comments like this. You can have the conversation without talking down to others.

The brickwall strikes again... not even gonna bother reading the 2 big paragraphs... you lost me at sentence #1!

I'll just ask, how does naming the exact 4 players from their WR depth chart that will be free agents in 2022 translate to throwing out names of random football players???

Grasping at straws...

[twisty571]

Originally Posted by whitmm

C. Teams are amazing at manipulating the cap numbers. Cutting Z, who did not play this season, cutting Preston, who has been a solid contributor but replaceable, and extending Aaron gets them under the cap. Dave's too big of a cap hit to move. Cobb is easily restructured. Getting back to even makes resigning Adams very doable. Resigning MVS is no problem. It's really not the pipe dream you think it is. But you seem to think you are so right in him wanting out that you don't even want to consider that it is possible to make it work

I am going to call it now, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. There is NO way Rodgers restructures to take less. With Pattycakes and Allen making $45-50m a year do you think AR wants to take a pay cut just to please the Packers? Nope & if by some miracle he did there is no way GB will be able to sign Adams to the contract he will demand. I'll add Rodgers is due $45m this year but if he is cut/traded the Packers will gain $15-20m in cap space.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by epatmythes

The brickwall strikes again... not even gonna bother reading the 2 big paragraphs... you lost me at sentence #1!

I'll just ask, how does naming the exact 4 players from their WR depth chart that will be free agents in 2022 translate to throwing out names of random football players???

Grasping at straws...

Sorry for being a fan of the team that doesn't think the world is coming to an end. We get it, you hate Aaron Rodgers and want him gone. Calling others a brick wall, while continuing to act like a brick wall, pure genius. You are coming off as the exact type of fan that chases people away.

To answer your question...again. You including a player who was a roster filler in your list they need to resign from. Why would you even put his name on the list? It doesn't matter that he's a free agent, he is a complete nonfactor. You said they need to resign two of them. Would you be satisfied with them signing St. Brown and Taylor? No, you wouldn't. There was no point in including Taylor in that conversation. And in my eyes, resigning 2 of them is not necessary, if you keep Adams. Keep one, draft one in what is a fairly deep WR class.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by twisty571

I am going to call it now, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. There is NO way Rodgers restructures to take less. With Pattycakes and Allen making $45-50m a year do you think AR wants to take a pay cut just to please the Packers? Nope & if by some miracle he did there is no way GB will be able to sign Adams to the contract he will demand. I'll add Rodgers is due $45m this year but if he is cut/traded the Packers will gain $15-20m in cap space.

I've never said Aaron is going to take less money. Restructuring is not taking a pay cut, it's moving money around. It's done by turning salary into signing bonuses.

And you didn't add anything about cutting/trading Rodgers would save the team money, if you read more than just my last comment, I've pointed that out multiple times. And Rodgers agreeing to an extension also would free up that same cap space. By the way, he's not due $45 million this year, he's due $26 million. It's count towards the cap includes money he's already received.

[lambeauleap87]

We haven't even hit the conference championships and people are debating the meaning of Aaron's blinks and the roster status of Malik Turner. It's going to be a long offseason.

[Grid]

I think everyone can agree the Packers are better with Rodgers on the team. But in reality, they cant field the same team in 2022, due to the cap.

While it is fun to talk about Rodgers not wanting to be in GB. IMO, if the Packers want to field a team next season, and set themselves up going forward, they do have to look beyond Rodgers.

Over $40MIL over the cap right now, without Adams.

Without gutting the team to be able to afford Rodgers next season $46MIL+ Cap Hit AND sign Adams, who will want $25MIL.

They would have to cut, and eat any due money, for the Smiths. And that is just to afford Rodgers. What does taking out your two premiere LB's do to your D?

Lazard is needed, and he is a restricted free agent right now. How are they going to pay him his $8MIL value? To pay Rodgers, you cant let his top 2 WR's walk, in order to come up with the money. He would be furious.

You have to break the team up, just to make sense. It is just a matter of where do you want to bleed from.

[epatmythes]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Sorry for being a fan of the team that doesn't think the world is coming to an end. We get it, you hate Aaron Rodgers and want him gone. Calling others a brick wall, while continuing to act like a brick wall, pure genius. You are coming off as the exact type of fan that chases people away.

To answer your question...again. You including a player who was a roster filler in your list they need to resign from. Why would you even put his name on the list? It doesn't matter that he's a free agent, he is a complete nonfactor. You said they need to resign two of them. Would you be satisfied with them signing St. Brown and Taylor? No, you wouldn't. There was no point in including Taylor in that conversation. And in my eyes, resigning 2 of them is not necessary, if you keep Adams. Keep one, draft one in what is a fairly deep WR class.

Still grasping at straws... good lord man!

The Packers have 7 WR on their depth chart. First, Malik Taylor is not a practice squad player. He was on the practice squad in 2019 and has been on the active roster the last 2 years. He was limited with injuries this year, and only wasn't on the active roster the last 3 weeks because they officially placed him on IR. Is he one of their top caliber receivers? Nope. Point being, they have 7 on the depth chart. 5 of those 7 are free agents. One is Davante Adams... and your beef is that I had the audacity to type the names of the other 4. I'm threatening the sanctity of Packer Fandom, world wide, by taking such a drastic measure.

Geez, someone sure loves drama... your Rodgers fan boi status is starting to make sense.

I do not like Aaron Rodgers. I never have, and I've never shied away from admitting that here, or in my "real" personal life. Regardless, that doesn't mean I "want" him gone. I will not shed a single tear when he is, but I also know he gives us a better chance to win than almost every alternative. That being said, I also prefer to live in reality, not fantasy land. I do believe he is leaving. I don't believe we can keep him, Davante, and a solid defense to do any better than we've done the last 3 years.

I'm okay with that... clearly, you are not. Good luck with that!

[epatmythes]

Originally Posted by Grid

I think everyone can agree the Packers are better with Rodgers on the team. But in reality, they cant field the same team in 2022, due to the cap.

While it is fun to talk about Rodgers not wanting to be in GB. IMO, if the Packers want to field a team next season, and set themselves up going forward, they do have to look beyond Rodgers.

Over $40MIL over the cap right now, without Adams.

Without gutting the team to be able to afford Rodgers next season $46MIL+ Cap Hit AND sign Adams, who will want $25MIL.

They would have to cut, and eat any due money, for the Smiths. And that is just to afford Rodgers. What does taking out your two premiere LB's do to your D?

Lazard is needed, and he is a restricted free agent right now. How are they going to pay him his $8MIL value? To pay Rodgers, you cant let his top 2 WR's walk, in order to come up with the money. He would be furious.

You have to break the team up, just to make sense. It is just a matter of where do you want to bleed from.

Not only can I agree with that first sentence... I can agree with every single word you just wrote. I see Chicago in the avi... please don't be a Bears fan, please don't be a Bears fan, please don't be a Bears fan...

Did saying it 3 times work

[twisty571]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I've never said Aaron is going to take less money. Restructuring is not taking a pay cut, it's moving money around. It's done by turning salary into signing bonuses.

And you didn't add anything about cutting/trading Rodgers would save the team money, if you read more than just my last comment, I've pointed that out multiple times. And Rodgers agreeing to an extension also would free up that same cap space. By the way, he's not due $45 million this year, he's due $26 million. It's count towards the cap includes money he's already received.

He is due $45m this year and if you read my long paragraph (lol) that you quoted I did mention it His base salary is $25m plus bonus.....so are you saying GB don't have to pay him the extra $20m in his contract? Tell the Packers I am sure they will be happy...

Salary- $26,470,588
Signing Bonus- $16,321,569
Work Out Bonus- $500,000
Restructured Money- $2,852,000

Cap Hit - $46,144,157
Dead Cap Hit - $26,847,136

[Grid]

Originally Posted by twisty571

He is due $46m this year and if you read my long paragraph (lol) that you quoted I did mention it

To be fair Twist, it was only mentioned about a half dozen times in this thread. I guess its easy to overlook, if you aren't actually reading the thread.

His 2022 cap hit is currently set to be $46.14 million to be exact.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by epatmythes

Not only can I agree with that first sentence... I can agree with every single word you just wrote. I see Chicago in the avi... please don't be a Bears fan, please don't be a Bears fan, please don't be a Bears fan...

Did saying it 3 times work

It didn't work I'm Chicago, born and raised. But I am still a football fan, and I have zero shame giving credit where it is due.

I hated that Farve beat my team each year. But God Damn, did I love to see him play!

Aaron Rodgers makes me hate him, for who he is as a person. But I can still admit his talent. Underachieving or not.

The Packers are a well run institution. I believe they will do more with their money, and getting what they can from dealing Rodgers just makes good sense.

My Bears? They were, and still are, cheap. They didnt let players like Kruetz or Urlacher go for draft picks, or to invest in better talent. They let them walk, because they didn't want to pay them period.

This, is not that. It is just how they will balance the team.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by epatmythes

Still grasping at straws... good lord man!

The Packers have 7 WR on their depth chart. First, Malik Taylor is not a practice squad player. He was on the practice squad in 2019 and has been on the active roster the last 2 years. He was limited with injuries this year, and only wasn't on the active roster the last 3 weeks because they officially placed him on IR. Is he one of their top caliber receivers? Nope. Point being, they have 7 on the depth chart. 5 of those 7 are free agents. One is Davante Adams... and your beef is that I had the audacity to type the names of the other 4. I'm threatening the sanctity of Packer Fandom, world wide, by taking such a drastic measure.

Geez, someone sure loves drama... your Rodgers fan boi status is starting to make sense.

I do not like Aaron Rodgers. I never have, and I've never shied away from admitting that here, or in my "real" personal life. Regardless, that doesn't mean I "want" him gone. I will not shed a single tear when he is, but I also know he gives us a better chance to win than almost every alternative. That being said, I also prefer to live in reality, not fantasy land. I do believe he is leaving. I don't believe we can keep him, Davante, and a solid defense to do any better than we've done the last 3 years.

I'm okay with that... clearly, you are not. Good luck with that!

What has Malik Taylor ever done to be included in a list of players that they need to resign? He was a roster filler. So he wasn't on the PS, he might as well have been. Doesn't matter that he was on the active roster, he did nothing to contribute to the team. You included him because you were trying to make their situation sound more dire. Wherever he signs, it's going to be for the minimum. That's why I called you out for it.

Great be a realist, what a boring way to be a fan. I'll choose to be a fan that has high hopes and a positive outlook for the team. If wanting that and wanting the best chance to win is being an "Rodgers fan boi," then I guess I'm a fan boi. And I'll deal with the heartbreak when it comes. I'd rather have that than having a pessimistic approach to it. Fandom is supposed to be living in fantasy world. Might as well be a Vikings fan if you want to live in the "real world."

I laid out a potential scenario that would lead to keeping Rodgers, Adams, and a solid defense (most of the key parts are still on very friendly contracts), you just don't want to hear it. I threw out a possibility, I've never said that I'm positive it's going to happen. But you continue to insist that you are 100% going to be right. Enjoy your doom and gloom outlook. Please come back and gloat about being right if it comes true.

And regardless of what happens with Rodgers, his cap hit this year will not be $45 million. Whether he's traded or stays, that number will be lower. It's great to throw that number out there to prove your point to want him gone, but it's a fictional number.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by twisty571

He is due $45m this year and if you read my long paragraph (lol) that you quoted I did mention it His base salary is $25m plus bonus.....so are you saying GB don't have to pay him the extra $20m in his contract? Tell the Packers I am sure they will be happy...

Salary- $26,470,588
Signing Bonus- $16,321,569
Work Out Bonus- $500,000
Restructured Money- $2,852,000

Cap Hit - $46,144,157
Dead Cap Hit - $26,847,136

No, you tried bringing it up like it was the first time it was talked about.

He's already received the signing bonus money. That is not money he's receiving in 2022. Cap hit is not a representation of the actual amount of money he is receiving during the year.

[Grid]

Jut to put the Packers cap issues on display. They are already $40+ MIL over the cap. And that is without them resigning any of these players. All of the below, are now no longer under contract.

IE, none of these guys counts toward the already $40MIl over. Resigning any of them, would just put them that much more over the cap.


Davante Adams WR
Kevin King CB
Robert Tonyan TE
Chandon Sullivan CB
De'Vondre Campbell LB
Lucas Patrick OL
Dennis Kelly OT
Tyler Lancaster DL
Corey Bojorquez P
Rasul Douglas CB
Oren Burks LB
Equanimeous St. Brown WR
Jack Heflin DT
Marquez Valdes-Scantling WR
Allen Lazard WR
Yosh Nijman OT

Honestly, seeing this, what good is Rodgers when he only has old man Cobb, and his 28 catches last year, left to throw to?

[twisty571]

Originally Posted by whitmm

No, you tried bringing it up like it was the first time it was talked about.

He's already received the signing bonus money. That is not money he's receiving in 2022. Cap hit is not a representation of the actual amount of money he is receiving during the year.

What are you talking about? That is the money he is due this year, not last year or next year......he hasn't been paid any of this yet....

what he is owed in 2022:
Salary- $26,470,588
Signing Bonus- $16,321,569
Work Out Bonus- $500,000
Restructured Money- $2,852,000

Cap Hit - $46,144,157
Dead Cap Hit - $26,847,136

this is what he was paid this year...
Salary- $1,100,000
Signing Bonus- $16,321,568
Work Out Bonus- $6,800,000
Restructured Money- $2,852,000

Cap Hit - $27,073,568
Dead Cap Hit - $19,173,568

[Zauron]

People always bring up "team A is such and such over the cap, how will they get these guys back?" and without fail, most of the time they get it worked out.

Also, why are we talking about some scrub receiver so much?

[SandStoneSports]

If he doesn't retire, I'd trade him. Designate the trade Post June 1st, and you get nearly $28 million in cap relief plus possibly picks and players for a guy who is 39 years old. He is still playing great, but he can't play that way forever and every good thing comes to an end.

[twisty571]

If he is released before 6/1/22 - 2022 Cap Savings: $19,297,021

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by twisty571

What are you talking about? That is the money he is due this year, not last year or next year......he hasn't been paid any of this yet....

what he is owed in 2022:
Salary- $26,470,588
Signing Bonus- $16,321,569
Work Out Bonus- $500,000
Restructured Money- $2,852,000

Cap Hit - $46,144,157
Dead Cap Hit - $26,847,136

this is what he was paid this year...
Salary- $1,100,000
Signing Bonus- $16,321,568
Work Out Bonus- $6,800,000
Restructured Money- $2,852,000

Cap Hit - $27,073,568
Dead Cap Hit - $19,173,568

All money from a signing bonus is paid upfront. If a contract is restructured to turn base salary into a signing bonus, it is paid immediately. Cap hit is not a direct reflection of the amount of money they are paid during the year. Signing bonuses are paid immediately and the cap hit is spread out equally over the length of the contract.

[twisty571]

Originally Posted by whitmm

All money from a signing bonus is paid upfront. If a contract is restructured to turn base salary into a signing bonus, it is paid immediately. Cap hit is not a direct reflection of the amount of money they are paid during the year. Signing bonuses are paid immediately and the cap hit is spread out equally over the length of the contract.

Dude these are the numbers that are paid each year, this is his terms of the contract. He is paid the signing bonus each year, it is broken up over the contract. How else do you think he is due $45m+ this year alone?
CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $134,000,000 TOTAL SIGNING BONUS - $57,500,000

[burke23]

Vikes fan watching GB turmoil and feeding off it like Colin Robinson


That being said - I think GB and Rodgers break up at this point. Rodgers it may be more personal, and for GB it just doesn’t seem viable to maintain a strong roster with Rodgers wanting market value.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by twisty571

Dude these are the number that are paid each year, this is his terms of the contract. He is paid the signing bonus each year, it is broken up over the contract. How else do you think he is due $45+ this year alone?

Go to Spotrac and look. Aaron received $66 million in cash in 2018 when he signed the contract. In 2021, he received $22.66 million and his cap hit was $27.07 million. In 2022, he's due to get $27.49 million in actual payments and his cap hit is going to be $46.14 million. Cap hit does not equal the actual amount of money they are paid that year. And signing bonuses are paid in full up front, the cap hit spreads out.

That $57 million signing bonus was wired to him when he signed that contract. All of it, not part of it, ALL OF IT.

[twisty571]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Go to Spotrac and look. Aaron received $66 million in cash in 2018 when he signed the contract. In 2021, he received $22.66 million and his cap hit was $27.07 million. In 2022, he's due to get $27.49 million in actual payments and his cap hit is going to be $46.14 million. Cap hit does not equal the actual amount of money they are paid that year. And signing bonuses are paid in full up front, the cap hit spreads out.

That $57 million signing bonus was wired to him when he signed that contract. All of it, not part of it, ALL OF IT.

You are wrong....

the contract's full details Thursday evening: in 2021, Rodgers will earn a $6.8 million roster bonus (from March), $14,464,706 signing bonus and $1.1M base salary, totaling $22,364,706. In 2022, he'll earn a $26,470,588 salary and $500K workout bonus for a grand total of $26,970,688. The signing and March roster bonuses both will be paid out over the 2021 season.

In the event that Rodgers decided to retire prior to the 2022 season, which he mentioned this week he contemplated doing this offseason, only the $11.5 million in remaining proration from his original $57.5M signing bonus back in 2018 is subject to forfeiture.

In 2023 he would earn a $4,821,568 signing bonus if he is still under this contract.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by twisty571

You are wrong....



In 2023 he would earn a $4,821,568 signing bonus if he is still under this contract.

All that means is the team could go after that money if they wanted. Please take like 5 seconds to google signing bonuses.

Where are you pulling this information from? Please cite your source.

I'll help you out. In 2021, he converted that $14.5 million of base salary to a signing bonus. It wasn't from the original contract

[twisty571]

Originally Posted by whitmm

All that means is the team could go after that money if they wanted. Please take like 5 seconds to google signing bonuses.

Where are you pulling this information from? Please cite your source

Please show me how GB would owe Rodgers $46M this year with out the signing bonus money...lol

oh sources....NFL Network & the same site you mentioned...SpoTrac
https://www.nfl.com/news/aaron-rodge...-reworked-deal
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-ba...-rodgers-3745/