Patrick Mahomes Prices

[pcptrade]

I did not follow last night Goldin auction lots since I was traveling. Any steals on Mahomes high end?

[atk825]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Mahomes was outplayed by Allen and Burrows twice and Herbert once this year going 2-4 against them with much better weapons. The Bengals, Bills and Chargers his main competition in the AFC have all improved while the Chiefs have regressed. It's not hate pointing that out as a giant red flag if you are dropping 5 figures on the guy. He's too much a gunslinger and takes too many risks in game trying to stretch plays out which can and have blown up in his face.

That being said I am going to add a few nice rookies on the dip but I am not going in heavy on the guy.

Mahomes has ended Josh Allen’s season two years in a row. And I guess he got outplayed in the playoff game? He merely threw for 378, 3 TD and ran for 70 yards.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

I did not follow last night Goldin auction lots since I was traveling. Any steals on Mahomes high end?

I feel like the flawless PSA 9 RPA /25 was a steal at 31k. It got the same price as Selanne00 BGS 9 which has an 8 for surface. Also red power BGS 9 /49 at 14k. And NT 3 color bgs 9 at 130k. Burrow prices were insane.

[randino101]

Originally Posted by pejc300

I feel like the flawless PSA 9 RPA /25 was a steal at 31k. It got the same price as Selanne00 BGS 9 which has an 8 for surface. Also red power BGS 9 /49 at 14k. And NT 3 color bgs 9 at 130k. Burrow prices were insane.

I'm also a bit shocked the Prizm Black Finite BGS 9.5 1/1 Auto only went for $30k when there was like 450 watchers on the card. Seems like an absolute steal.

I know the Autos go for less than the parallels for low # high end Prizm, but if Oldprice's card is supposedly like a million bucks, then shouldn't this one be at least a couple hundred grand?

Also curious why Josh/PC Sportscards went the Auction route for this baby on eBay vs. PWCC/Goldin or private sale...

(Also have no clue why BGS labeled it as "Select")


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15481502627...p2047675.l2557

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by randino101

I'm also a bit shocked the Prizm Black Finite BGS 9.5 1/1 Auto only went for $30k when there was like 450 watchers on the card. Seems like an absolute steal.

I know the Autos go for less than the parallels for low # high end Prizm, but if Oldprice's card is supposedly like a million bucks, then shouldn't this one be at least a couple hundred grand?

Also curious why Josh/PC Sportscards went the Auction route for this baby on eBay vs. PWCC/Goldin or private sale...

(Also have no clue why BGS labeled it as "Select")


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15481502627...p2047675.l2557

Wow, seems like they could have done better, I'd be interested in the card at that price, so probably too low

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by randino101

I'm also a bit shocked the Prizm Black Finite BGS 9.5 1/1 Auto only went for $30k when there was like 450 watchers on the card. Seems like an absolute steal.

I know the Autos go for less than the parallels for low # high end Prizm, but if Oldprice's card is supposedly like a million bucks, then shouldn't this one be at least a couple hundred grand?

Also curious why Josh/PC Sportscards went the Auction route for this baby on eBay vs. PWCC/Goldin or private sale...

(Also have no clue why BGS labeled it as "Select")


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15481502627...p2047675.l2557

A Prizm Finite auto probably would go for that. This is a parallel that not too many people care about or are even aware of.

I mean, ask a normal collector to point out the Mahomes Prizm. Then ask them to point out the Prizm Black Brand Logo Prime Selections Signatures...

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by randino101

I'm also a bit shocked the Prizm Black Finite BGS 9.5 1/1 Auto only went for $30k when there was like 450 watchers on the card. Seems like an absolute steal.

I know the Autos go for less than the parallels for low # high end Prizm, but if Oldprice's card is supposedly like a million bucks, then shouldn't this one be at least a couple hundred grand?

Also curious why Josh/PC Sportscards went the Auction route for this baby on eBay vs. PWCC/Goldin or private sale...

(Also have no clue why BGS labeled it as "Select")


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15481502627...p2047675.l2557

Thanks. The Flawless RPA PSA 9 that ended last night was on my watchlist. The auto was little streaky which is why the owner likely authenticated it and did not have it graded.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by randino101

I'm also a bit shocked the Prizm Black Finite BGS 9.5 1/1 Auto only went for $30k when there was like 450 watchers on the card. Seems like an absolute steal.

I know the Autos go for less than the parallels for low # high end Prizm, but if Oldprice's card is supposedly like a million bucks, then shouldn't this one be at least a couple hundred grand?

Also curious why Josh/PC Sportscards went the Auction route for this baby on eBay vs. PWCC/Goldin or private sale...

(Also have no clue why BGS labeled it as "Select")


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15481502627...p2047675.l2557

No one is paying a million for that right now. I do know of a couple guys that would pay 500k. Both collectors said they would pay more for the gold prizm psa 10.

[Selanne00008]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Thanks. The Flawless RPA PSA 9 that ended last night was on my watchlist. The auto was little streaky which is why the owner likely authenticated it and did not have it graded.

Yeah I was wondering if my BGS 9 with the 10 auto would help bump it up over the psa 9 with authentic. Pretty comparable cards regardless with near identical patches as well.


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[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by pejc300

I feel like the flawless PSA 9 RPA /25 was a steal at 31k. It got the same price as Selanne00 BGS 9 which has an 8 for surface. Also red power BGS 9 /49 at 14k. And NT 3 color bgs 9 at 130k. Burrow prices were insane.

Thanks. Quoted the wrong post in my previous response. Meant to respond to your post.

Originally Posted by Selanne00008

Yeah I was wondering if my BGS 9 with the 10 auto would help bump it up over the psa 9 with authentic. Pretty comparable cards regardless with near identical patches as well.


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I think the surface subgrade of 8 on yours could have been reason it sold for the same price as PSA 9 despite an auto grade of 10. As you said, pretty comparable cards if you take the card, patch and the auto into account

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by blockedbyjames

No one is paying a million for that right now. I do know of a couple guys that would pay 500k. Both collectors said they would pay more for the gold prizm psa 10.

A million for what? The black prizm 1/1?

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by blockedbyjames

No one is paying a million for that right now. I do know of a couple guys that would pay 500k. Both collectors said they would pay more for the gold prizm psa 10.

I have heard some saying that Gold Prizm will outsell Gold vinyl as well. However, I got an offer of 685K on my Gold Vinyl PSA 10 the day after Gold Prizm PSA 10 sold for 528K at PWCC in July. Prizm Finite 1/1 will always outsell the Gold Prizm and Gold Vinyl regardless of the eye appeal and what couple of collectors think. A Zion NT RPA/99 sold for ~600K and a Jason Dominguez (prospect) BC Super sold for 475K last night. Jason Dominguez has not played in MLB yet! The market is irrational and there might be someone who would pay more than a million for Finite 1/1.

https://goldin.co/item/2019-20-panin...patch-roocaxr5

https://goldin.co/item/2020-bowman-c...asson-dom5w961

[chasacar86]

Originally Posted by blockedbyjames

No one is paying a million for that right now. I do know of a couple guys that would pay 500k. Both collectors said they would pay more for the gold prizm psa 10.

This is a great example of thinking if you type something on a forum, it’s true.

I’m sure they would, amazing arbitrage at 500k.

[notfast]

I fell asleep and missed on these:

17 elite /15 bgs 9.5 $1452
17 elite /85 psa 10 $2242
17 elite /24 die cut psa 10 $2040

All seem ridiculously cheap IMO

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by chasacar86

This is a great example of thinking if you type something on a forum, it’s true.

I’m sure they would, amazing arbitrage at 500k.

Haha, Someone paid 570K for Gold Vinyl last night. I am sure that person would have paid more for Finite 1/1. There were at least two bidders willing to pay 500K (540K and 570K) for Gold vinyl. Finite 1/1's current value is at least a million imo.

[packman80]

See Jackass Mahomes back in the news. If Patrick was smart he would cut all ties with this idiot before he does something that makes him even look bad.

https://blacksportsonline.com/2022/0...YowPp5FOe6fcjg

[Rabs]

Biggest reasons people don’t like Patty are his brother and fiancé.

[chasacar86]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Haha, Someone paid 570K for Gold Vinyl last night. I am sure that person would have paid more for Finite 1/1. There were at least two bidders willing to pay 500K (540K and 570K) for Gold vinyl. Finite 1/1's current value is at least a million imo.

Ok haha I just follow the Mahomes market sparingly so was not aware. Feel like that says everything.

Agree with you 100%, I mean if a Joe Burrow non-true RPA immaculate shield can do 500k+ the finite would feel like a no brainer at 1.5. Hell the Burrow finite would at that point lol.

[daveyou]

safe to valuing the black finite #1/1 rc (non auto) to about 2x-2.5x of the gold vinyl #/5(non auto)?

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by daveyou

safe to valuing the black finite #1/1 rc (non auto) to about 2x-2.5x of the gold vinyl #/5(non auto)?

There is no set multiplier (2X to 2.5X) on a card like this. Only one copy exits and the multiplier is what both the seller and buyer agree upon. I would say 2X-2.5X is a good starting point in negotiating a deal.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Haha, Someone paid 570K for Gold Vinyl last night. I am sure that person would have paid more for Finite 1/1. There were at least two bidders willing to pay 500K (540K and 570K) for Gold vinyl. Finite 1/1's current value is at least a million imo.

Current value is only based on what someone is willing to pay at any given moment. We all get it. My statement is just as hypothetical as yours without a sale to test.

What we do have is test cases of other players. So while it isn't perfect it's at least somewhat trying to use data to make assertions of value. There's cases where golds outsold blacks, and visa versa. In my estimation (and it's clearly just mine) someone would pay 500k for the black, and a "little more than that" for the psa 10 gold. The 2nd part of that statement was proven last night. The first part the world may never know because the card will never sell right now.

[pcptrade]

Thread almost fell off to page 3 Mahomes still has the best resume so far compared to Burrow, Allen and Herbert. They are all great and AFC is going to be tough the next few years. It will all come down to career stats and championship rings.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Thread almost fell off to page 3 Mahomes still has the best resume so far compared to Burrow, Allen and Herbert. They are all great and AFC is going to be tough the next few years. It will all come down to career stats and championship rings.

Burrow lost. You can all breathe easy again!

In all seriousness, it's going to be tough sledding the next 10-15 years. I don't believe Mahomes or anyone else needs to do anything other than be great at their position. But I don't see any of them getting more than 2 rings in their career. What Brady did will never be done again, so let's forget that. Before that, Dallas won 3 but had a GREAT team - none of these teams have a team like Dallas had. Before that it was Montana and the 49ers but that era of the NFL is so far from today's reality it's tough to compare.

Mahomes and the Chiefs have one more year with their current team. (Yes, some will be gone in the off-season but none of the losses will be crippling) After that, their window will reset since Mahomes' contract will kick in, T. Hill will slow down, and Kelce will be at the end of his career.

2 SB's should be the goal. Whoever gets there first will be the QB for the 2020's All-Decade team.

[MyckKabongo]

Gonna be an interesting season for the Mahomes market. On the one hand, I envision some pretty good buying opportunities. On the other hand, I don't really want to sell but for my mental state I need to reduce the overall % of my card wealth that is locked into Mahomes. In particular, really feeling the need to own hedge positions in Allen and Burrow. Also looking to grow my holdings of undervalued cards of legends/GOATs, youngish baseball guys with good risk/reward profiles.

Basically, he'll be a HOLD for me but likely an excellent BUY for those that aren't already in heavily.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Gonna be an interesting season for the Mahomes market. On the one hand, I envision some pretty good buying opportunities. On the other hand, I don't really want to sell but for my mental state I need to reduce the overall % of my card wealth that is locked into Mahomes. In particular, really feeling the need to own hedge positions in Allen and Burrow. Also looking to grow my holdings of undervalued cards of legends/GOATs, youngish baseball guys with good risk/reward profiles.

Basically, he'll be a HOLD for me but likely an excellent BUY for those that aren't already in heavily.

Agree mostly.

The BUY moment was 2 weeks ago when Burrow was in the spotlight. That window has since closed and Mahomes (and Allen) will be back in the spotlight the rest of the offseason.

They're already releasing articles about the 22-23 SB favorites. Of course it's the Chiefs and Bills.