BGS Black Labels, Joe Clemons (eBay ID: wjc75056), and Illegitimate Grading - Page 175

alphaomegas · 04-07-2021, 10:31 AM

BGS grading god right there so where is JOE at today? Has anyone sued him or talked with him about how he got 10's on everything?

Kuch86 · 04-07-2021, 11:59 AM

Legendary thread.

My favourite part is Joe helped dig his own grave in here. What a clown.

dizzydolse · 04-07-2021, 06:05 PM

Funny thing is, is Joe, Brian Gray, and little doowop clemons probably had the best year ever in 2020 and are living it up with their little hobby scams. When they get called out for one thing, they just move on to the next one. Joe is still active here but won't really post much because he knows he'll be called out. I'm sure he PM's people when he smells blood in the water though.

I honestly can't believe Leaf is still a company and BG still convinces people he's a legitimate business person. All you can do is laugh, really.

JeremyNick · 04-07-2021, 06:31 PM

This was the thread that actually brought me to the board. I can’t remember how I stumbled across the forums but this thread had me mesmerized.

doowopbruce · 04-07-2021, 06:33 PM

You should have examples and proof before you slander someone. Otherwise you appear overly eager and foolish.

hxcmilkshake · 04-07-2021, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by doowopbruce

You should have examples and proof before you slander someone. Otherwise you appear overly eager and foolish.

Um, except no since Joe already outed himself so you should probably re-read the thread before you throw big words around that you don't understand.

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dizzydolse · 04-07-2021, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doowopbruce

You should have examples and proof before you slander someone. Otherwise you appear overly eager and foolish.

You mean like a DNA test? I obviously can't prove you're Joe's son but I'm confident.

mattr27 · 04-10-2021, 08:17 AM

Hi guys, I'm a little new to all this but I was wondering, did Beckett ever say anything about this scandal?

Also thanks all for trying to keep the hobby honest!

Zhamlau · 04-10-2021, 12:03 PM

Ha, I remember this thread. Proof once again no one of power or influence catches consequences easily. Seems this all but disappeared, guess if you don't have authorities interested in investigating an issue seriously you are pretty much teflon.

boston12 · 04-10-2021, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhamlau

Ha, I remember this thread. Proof once again no one of power or influence catches consequences easily. Seems this all but disappeared, guess if you don't have authorities interested in investigating an issue seriously you are pretty much teflon.

They just might be looking at it..

Zhamlau · 04-10-2021, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by boston12

They just might be looking at it..

CMKX of the card world

cowtowncollectr · 06-06-2021, 11:36 AM

This is one of the most amazing threads I have ever read. Thanks to auburn for figuring this out. Hard not to feel completely crushed when you read these stories of corruption in this hobby. There is a lot of that.

Thanks

cowtowncollectr · 06-06-2021, 11:38 AM

Makes me wonder if Brian day and Leaf are so corrupt, how can we trust that thier “game used” memorabilia cards arent full of fake jerseys and other junk fabric?

dizzydolse · 06-06-2021, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowtowncollectr

Makes me wonder if Brian day and Leaf are so corrupt, how can we trust that thier “game used” memorabilia cards arent full of fake jerseys and other junk fabric?

I certainly don't

leok1m · 08-21-2021, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowtowncollectr

Makes me wonder if Brian day and Leaf are so corrupt, how can we trust that thier “game used” memorabilia cards arent full of fake jerseys and other junk fabric?

Imagine buying Leaf cards.

tonedef2oo8 · 08-22-2021, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowtowncollectr

Makes me wonder if Brian day and Leaf are so corrupt, how can we trust that thier “game used” memorabilia cards arent full of fake jerseys and other junk fabric?

Trust?

Who does that with leaf/razor? You would be dumb.

Most of their crap is “event” worn. Which is they take a cheap China knockoff jersey, put 75 patches on it. Put it over the players head and take it off a second later and then cut up all the sweet patches for the suckers to eat up.

dizzydolse · 08-22-2021, 06:53 PM

Leaf is the dumpster of the hobby

auburn35 · 12-09-2021, 10:52 AM

If anyone remembers the Upper Deck vs Leaf lawsuit that included this thread and the sealed testimony from Leaf (Brian, Joe, Adam...) and Beckett, sadly that case was recently settled, just before heading to trial.

Based on the conflicting public comments made by Leaf and Beckett, it's a shame we probably won't be seeing that testimony but we still have the trial preview from UD's witness list.

"Mr. Clemons is expected to also testify about Leaf’s conspiracy with Beckett to manipulate Leaf products and grading of those products to enrich himself and Leaf at the expense of the trading card industry and damage Leaf’s brand in the marketplace."

MoreToppsPlease · 12-09-2021, 11:18 AM

Damn, so close.

dizzydolse · 12-09-2021, 11:49 AM

No one, and I mean no one, can spot a 10 like ol' Eagle Eyes.

seanbros55 · 12-09-2021, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by seanbros55

Walks in to Beckett, through the front do'
Says he used to work there a long time ago.

How does the scam go?
Who do you know?
How does the scam go Eagle-Eye Joe?

One of my finer moments…

auburn35 · 01-15-2022, 02:51 PM

With the success Rattle Pokemon had with researching the counterfeit Pokemon case, I thought I would give his video discussing Logan Paul and this thread a bump.

For those not familiar with Logan Paul story, here's a Blowout thread with a link to some of that discussion.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=17402614

pip · 01-15-2022, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by auburn35

With the success Rattle Pokemon had with researching the counterfeit Pokemon case, I thought I would give his video discussing Logan Paul and this thread a bump.

Quality stuff. There's nothing new that wasn't already covered in this thread but he (Rattle) provides a nice video summary.

superdan49 · 01-15-2022, 07:01 PM

Amazing that Pokemon collectors are now the driving force behind exposing hobby fraud. Glad to see some of the hard work from BO a few years ago is of use to them.

thecardscout · 02-08-2022, 02:37 AM

Kudos to the people who did on the leg work on this. I am disgusted and expect a response from Beckett otherwise I will never grade with them again. And Leaf is Garbage.

12-09-2021, 10:52 AM	#4368
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,336	If anyone remembers the Upper Deck vs Leaf lawsuit that included this thread and the sealed testimony from Leaf (Brian, Joe, Adam...) and Beckett, sadly that case was recently settled, just before heading to trial. Based on the conflicting public comments made by Leaf and Beckett, it's a shame we probably won't be seeing that testimony but we still have the trial preview from UD's witness list. "Mr. Clemons is expected to also testify about Leaf’s conspiracy with Beckett to manipulate Leaf products and grading of those products to enrich himself and Leaf at the expense of the trading card industry and damage Leaf’s brand in the marketplace." __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

12-09-2021, 11:18 AM	#4369
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	Damn, so close. __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

01-15-2022, 02:51 PM	#4372
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,336	With the success Rattle Pokemon had with researching the counterfeit Pokemon case, I thought I would give his video discussing Logan Paul and this thread a bump. For those not familiar with Logan Paul story, here's a Blowout thread with a link to some of that discussion. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=17402614 __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

01-15-2022, 07:01 PM	#4374
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Amazing that Pokemon collectors are now the driving force behind exposing hobby fraud. Glad to see some of the hard work from BO a few years ago is of use to them. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

04-07-2021, 10:31 AM	#4351
alphaomegas Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,025	BGS grading god right there so where is JOE at today? Has anyone sued him or talked with him about how he got 10's on everything?

04-07-2021, 11:59 AM	#4352
Kuch86 Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 379 SUTHE49 KUCH86	Legendary thread. My favourite part is Joe helped dig his own grave in here. What a clown.

04-07-2021, 06:05 PM	#4353
dizzydolse Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,937	Funny thing is, is Joe, Brian Gray, and little doowop clemons probably had the best year ever in 2020 and are living it up with their little hobby scams. When they get called out for one thing, they just move on to the next one. Joe is still active here but won't really post much because he knows he'll be called out. I'm sure he PM's people when he smells blood in the water though. I honestly can't believe Leaf is still a company and BG still convinces people he's a legitimate business person. All you can do is laugh, really.

04-07-2021, 06:31 PM	#4354
JeremyNick Banned Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 22,801	This was the thread that actually brought me to the board. I can’t remember how I stumbled across the forums but this thread had me mesmerized.

04-07-2021, 06:33 PM	#4355
doowopbruce Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Long Island Posts: 2,024 doowopbruce	You should have examples and proof before you slander someone. Otherwise you appear overly eager and foolish.

04-10-2021, 08:17 AM	#4358
mattr27 Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 109	Hi guys, I'm a little new to all this but I was wondering, did Beckett ever say anything about this scandal? Also thanks all for trying to keep the hobby honest!

04-10-2021, 12:03 PM	#4359
Zhamlau Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 269	Ha, I remember this thread. Proof once again no one of power or influence catches consequences easily. Seems this all but disappeared, guess if you don't have authorities interested in investigating an issue seriously you are pretty much teflon.

06-06-2021, 11:36 AM	#4362
cowtowncollectr Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 56 Co-411084	This is one of the most amazing threads I have ever read. Thanks to auburn for figuring this out. Hard not to feel completely crushed when you read these stories of corruption in this hobby. There is a lot of that. Thanks

06-06-2021, 11:38 AM	#4363
cowtowncollectr Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 56 Co-411084	Makes me wonder if Brian day and Leaf are so corrupt, how can we trust that thier “game used” memorabilia cards arent full of fake jerseys and other junk fabric?

08-22-2021, 06:53 PM	#4367
dizzydolse Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,937	Leaf is the dumpster of the hobby

12-09-2021, 11:49 AM	#4370
dizzydolse Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,937	No one, and I mean no one, can spot a 10 like ol' Eagle Eyes.

02-08-2022, 02:37 AM	#4375
thecardscout Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 367	Kudos to the people who did on the leg work on this. I am disgusted and expect a response from Beckett otherwise I will never grade with them again. And Leaf is Garbage.