Marvel Cards are going crazy.

[hmballin]

Yep same exact big cards are getting relisted on a different account now.

[DynaEtch]

This same scam of the high end Marvel auction with description containing a price is continuing to pop up on different accounts.

I don’t think people are actually falling for it, but eBay really needs to figure out a way to get rid of this.

[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by Tim

This was originally posted somewhere official but not sure how to find it now. And notice no distinguishing between base, gold, and what if on these.

Silver Spectrum Base achievement cards have a Foil Edge reflective glossy surface


Level 1 (cards #1-36) – earn the Ultimate Spider-man Achievement (#1) <200 print

Level 2 (cards #37-63) – earn the Star-Lord Achievement (#41) <150 print

Level 3 (cards #64-81) – earn the She-Hulk Achievement (#76) <100 print

Level 4 (cards #82-90) – earn the Deadpool Achievement (#84) <15 print

Level 5: 4-card Silver Foil Achievement Set – earns the Spider-man Achievement (#90) <10 print

Any data on the 2018 numbers for achievements?

[Cujobyte]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Any data on the 2018 numbers for achievements?

Considering the same numbering was done for MM18, I'd venture to say it's close in numbers. The only difference is, by 2018, Epack was more popular so there may have been more Epack vs Physical. Just my opinion tho, but been there since the start of it all.

Also people need to remember not 100% of this product was sold on epack, so number crunching is impossible vs the #'s on the cards.

[daviswr7]

I’ve sold 9 Black Diamond Marvel cards (across 3 accounts) in the last 24 hours. Some of it high $$ stuff…the earlier comment about marvel auctions being subject to all of the sports auction nonsense has me a touch concerned but off to the “grading/authenticating middleman” this stuff goes!

[Zeldafanatic15]

Originally Posted by daviswr7

I’ve sold 9 Black Diamond Marvel cards (across 3 accounts) in the last 24 hours. Some of it high $$ stuff…the earlier comment about marvel auctions being subject to all of the sports auction nonsense has me a touch concerned but off to the “grading/authenticating middleman” this stuff goes!

Yeah I saw some mention on epack last night that BD stuff was getting hot. I have a Thanos Infinity Stone/23 card on epack that I'm wondering if I should cash in on. I love the card but seeing the last one sell for $1900 is wild. Glad I picked up mostly what PC stuff I wanted from BD when I did.

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[DynaEtch]

Question: has this market craziness made it difficult for anyone else to maintain a PC?

I’m not looking to break up my PC, but sheesh some of these prices make it hard not to sell some of the high end cards.

[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Question: has this market craziness made it difficult for anyone else to maintain a PC?

I’m not looking to break up my PC, but sheesh some of these prices make it hard not to sell some of the high end cards.

If the cards I have start hitting 5k or 10k, I'm selling. I don't need more taxable income at current values. Values aren't enough to afford the tax hit and also cash flow certain home projects.

[webjon]

Originally Posted by Wombat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjgE03Vk1wg

go to 1:29 in and this is their/an explanation for why things have gone bonkers

Thanks for posting. They say the quiet part out loud.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Question: has this market craziness made it difficult for anyone else to maintain a PC?

I’m not looking to break up my PC, but sheesh some of these prices make it hard not to sell some of the high end cards.

It makes me glad I got in when I did. Love my PC but I am no closer to being tempted to sell than when I first acquired the cards for my PC.

[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

It makes me glad I got in when I did. Love my PC but I am no closer to being tempted to sell than when I first acquired the cards for my PC.

Your PC must be interesting based on random photos you've shared in various threads. Pretty sure you can buy a new car with what you got!!

[WhacksPacks]

All my higher end Marvel and even base from MM16, FUSM, etc have sold in the last few weeks for full price. I still have my Amazing Spider-Man achievement cards (Regular and gold sig) and seeing what those are creepng up to makes me want to list them before the bottom falls out.
DOo you see those achievements climbing higher in the future or is it all a guessing game at this point?

[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by WhacksPacks

All my higher end Marvel and even base from MM16, FUSM, etc have sold in the last few weeks for full price. I still have my Amazing Spider-Man achievement cards (Regular and gold sig) and seeing what those are creepng up to makes me want to list them before the bottom falls out.
DOo you see those achievements climbing higher in the future or is it all a guessing game at this point?

They probably will trail 17 FUSM bronze spiderman #50 since it seems pmg phrase is king. Rarity probably isn't known by many yet since they aren't numbered and weren't pack inserted. The whole epack thing is foreign to some sports speculators.

Once more appreciation is achieved, these may rival a bronze.

Even if bottom falls out, these cards probably wont be $5 cards anymore. More eyes are on this stuff and its a 16 MM card which already is a GOAT modern set by some.

[WhacksPacks]

Originally Posted by Gambit C10

They probably will trail 17 FUSM bronze spiderman #50 since it seems pmg phrase is king. Rarity probably isn't known by many yet since they aren't numbered and weren't pack inserted. The whole epack thing is foreign to some sports speculators.

Once more appreciation is achieved, these may rival a bronze.

Even if bottom falls out, these cards probably wont be $5 cards anymore. More eyes are on this stuff and its a 16 MM card which already is a GOAT modern set by some.

Thanks. Dove back into my E-pack account and rediscovered I have an epic purple #1 Ultimate Spider-Man #131/199 as well as a Purple She-Hulk #199/199 and 4 other lower end characters. Love finding stuff that hasn't been on your mind in a long time.
Wouldn't know where to gauge the purple USM

[webjon]

Originally Posted by WhacksPacks

All my higher end Marvel and even base from MM16, FUSM, etc have sold in the last few weeks for full price. I still have my Amazing Spider-Man achievement cards (Regular and gold sig) and seeing what those are creepng up to makes me want to list them before the bottom falls out.
DOo you see those achievements climbing higher in the future or is it all a guessing game at this point?

Despite my personal concern that some of these areas are trending towards an unsustainable bubble fueled by infestors, er, speculators -- ahem, I mean investors it seems that so far the 'investors' are targeting very specific cards. They do seem to be branching out, but in general it seems that a rising tide is raising many ships.

It seems to me that the investors are just getting started. . . It is hard to know how long they will stick around -- in the 90s it seems like it was for a couple of years. At this point I personally think it is still growing.

Then again -- I was shocked when the FUSM MM0 card hit $400. I wouldn't have expected that to go higher -- then the last one sold for $1200. I would be surprised to see more than $1200 on that card . . . but I was surprised to see $400, and surprised again at $1200.

[webjon]

Originally Posted by WhacksPacks

Thanks. Dove back into my E-pack account and rediscovered I have an epic purple #1 Ultimate Spider-Man #131/199 as well as a Purple She-Hulk #199/199 and 4 other lower end characters. Love finding stuff that hasn't been on your mind in a long time.
Wouldn't know where to gauge the purple USM

It is super fun to get trade offers of hundreds of dollars for cards I didn't realize I had.

[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by webjon

Despite my personal concern that some of these areas are trending towards an unsustainable bubble fueled by infestors, er, speculators -- ahem, I mean investors it seems that so far the 'investors' are targeting very specific cards. They do seem to be branching out, but in general it seems that a rising tide is raising many ships.

It seems to me that the investors are just getting started. . . It is hard to know how long they will stick around -- in the 90s it seems like it was for a couple of years. At this point I personally think it is still growing.

Then again -- I was shocked when the FUSM MM0 card hit $400. I wouldn't have expected that to go higher -- then the last one sold for $1200. I would be surprised to see more than $1200 on that card . . . but I was surprised to see $400, and surprised again at $1200.

Agreed. Don't think this is ending soon. Seems like a natural progression of focusing on a few things, then realizing there are a lot of other cool cheap things out there. I even dabbled in a few safe $20 investments recently that i could care less if they go back down to $15 cards. I have no problems in having multiples of cards I like. Gamble may have paid off but not enough auction sales to determine if one high sell was a fluke.

[finfangfan]

Speaking of rare cards heating up… The 2019 /100 Pack Wars achievements are heating up. Particularly Miles Morales.

But the earlier 2017 Pack Wars achievements are even rarer. You don’t see too many of them floating around. Hand numbered (which is a bummer), but they are really cool. This Venom is one of my faves from that set:

[Wombat]

Interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TyFdVOn_QQ

[webjon]

Originally Posted by Wombat

Interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TyFdVOn_QQ

It is an interesting video -- thanks for sharing.

The comments are interesting too.

Oddly listening to him talk reminded me of what my Grandmother used to say about all her ceramic figurines that ended up at an estate auction selling for virtually nothing.

This video really inspires me -- to sell.

[Dacubs]

Originally Posted by daviswr7

I’ve sold 9 Black Diamond Marvel cards (across 3 accounts) in the last 24 hours. Some of it high $$ stuff…the earlier comment about marvel auctions being subject to all of the sports auction nonsense has me a touch concerned but off to the “grading/authenticating middleman” this stuff goes!

I didn't realize Marvel BD was staring to take off as I had some on my ebay account that sat at the BIN for months, even after lowering my BIN price.

Two cards sold this week, so at least I am almost break even with the 2 packs I bought on epack...

Zoe Saldana Infinity Stones 6 relics #18/23 for $399.99
Iron Man sketch drawn by Rodney Ramos for $199.99

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by webjon

It is an interesting video -- thanks for sharing.

The comments are interesting too.

Oddly listening to him talk reminded me of what my Grandmother used to say about all her ceramic figurines that ended up at an estate auction selling for virtually nothing.

This video really inspires me -- to sell.

This seems like an overly pessimistic view- I myself have been a skeptic with regards to some particular sales, but no I dont see these cards going for next to nothing in the future, not even close. There is more demand than ever in Marvel cards right now, and it does seem like there's an influx of people coming into the hobby not just to flip and invest, although that's a huge part, but also of people collecting. I do think part of this is just people discovering a whole realm of cards they didnt know about previously. Marvel itself is a consistently popular brand of interest to the wider public, and will continue to remain as one.

An example from Marvel cards, just last year: that of 90s Marvel sealed boxes. 1990 MU boxes were going for 2.5k+, 1992 MM boxes were going for nearly 1k, in Feb 2021. This run-up did come to an end (rather quickly I might add- within a month. Compare to the longer price increases of newer limited Marvel, such as PMGs, now been over a year). Did 90s sealed boxes become worthless after this? No, not even close, nor will they ever be. In fact a box of 1990 MU now steadily goes for $600ish and 1992 MM for $400ish, and even seem to be rising again slowly. These prices are way above baseline prices of those boxes from 3+ years ago. And this is mass produced stuff nonetheless...I think the limited marvel releases of the current era will be much more impervious to the demand exhaustion (caused by influx of supply onto ebay) than those 90s boxes, but we'll see. Will the PMGs eventually retreat to a lower price like those 90s Marvel boxes? Sure that's a good possibility. Will they retain prices way over baseline, like the 90s Marvel boxes eventually did? I would imagine.

As some others have mentioned, it's not just the PMGs, there's been a lot more interest across the board in Marvel, even with the lower stuff.

[bobducca]

Hoped for an 8 at least on the Venom v Spidey but glad to have them slabbed regardless.


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[DynaEtch]

Nice deep blue tint on that 1994 Fleer Amazing Spiderman holo.

I challenge UD to make a modern Marvel holo look as nice as these! (you'd think it would be possible).

[webjon]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

This seems like an overly pessimistic view- I myself have been a skeptic with regards to some particular sales, but no I dont see these cards going for next to nothing in the future, not even close. There is more demand than ever in Marvel cards right now, and it does seem like there's an influx of people coming into the hobby not just to flip and invest, although that's a huge part, but also of people collecting.

Did you watch the video and read the comments?

The commenter nailed it when he was talking about how these investors are focusing on and driving the prices up on individual cards which is driving collectors out of the hobby by making set collecting unattainable.

The video also talked about this to some degree -- about how investors need to sell to other investors.

Also -- it happens more slowly than what you describe. Look at the 1990s. Junk wax wasn't always junk wax.

Cards that were high dollar in the 1990s dropped massively -- 90-95% drops in value for much of the good stuff. Low dollar stuff was literally thrown away.

As the video described sports card guys came looking for other 'investments' when the sports card market plateaued.

If investors drive collectors out of the hobby -- and I definitely see that happening as there are constant complaints on other boards about box prices -- then there is no market except other investors.

You also see collectors being driven out of the hobby by the lack of entertainment offerings -- it seems like it is all Marvel, GPK or Star Wars. Sure there are some other titles, but it seems like these 3 dominate the new releases.