Marvel Cards are going crazy.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

It was hard to take this pic, because I can barely get the image of the blue one to show in the light. The green one, on the other hand, is clearly seen at almost any angle in the light.

Wow that's quite a difference. I love how the '94 holos from different sets all have a similar theme. They look great together.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

Wow that's quite a difference. I love how the '94 holos from different sets all have a similar theme. They look great together.

Agreed. It's like Fleer used the same technology to get that green 3D holo effect, and the outcome is superb. I think it would be great if UD could somehow revisit this.

The 1993 X-men Series 2 Wolverine holo is pretty cool because his outstretched arm and claws move with you as you turn the card. This is pretty incredible technology for a card, they were revolutionary for the time.

[webjon]

Originally Posted by HiltonL

UD is moving cautiously, but they are surely moving to epacks print-to-order at least for non-sports. Starting with Agent Carter, now they've had Cloak and Dagger, and Black Widow. That, along with their gimmicky weekly Unbound/Pack Wars releases is what I based my opinion on.

I don't think Carter and Cloak and Dagger were any sort of print to order, I think they started production and realized they couldn't pack out a cost effective set so they effectively dumped the chase cards on ePack.

Personally -- I don't mind that premium pack model, but there has to be something worth chasing in it. Runaways, and Cloak and Dagger just don't really have the value to be selling for the prices they are asking.

My guess is that they spike those releases with PMGs.

[Fenian95]

FUSM MM0 achievement just went unsold at $832 opening bid.

Opening bid too high with two .99 COMC auctions live? People figuring out how many are out there?

Also it was a pretty ugly card. White all over.

[hmballin]

Card was listed MMO instead of the correct MM0 also in Canada. Both of the others running right now have double the watchers with multiple days left. Also card not in the best shape.

With all that being said still don’t know if this will maintain near this price but who knows.

[Cardboardalstar]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Ah, yes I see the turquoise, more that than a deep blue. That’s not bad since you can still see the venom image. Some are darkened to a point of blank black.

Here is a silver surfer of mine, note also the green border



And a blue Spidey vs Venom, it’s almost entirely blue.





It was hard to take this pic, because I can barely get the image of the blue one to show in the light. The green one, on the other hand, is clearly seen at almost any angle in the light.

I had a blue one that I sold for $400 raw. I have a couple gem mint red/yellow ones, and a green one that's in rough shape

[Fenian95]

Nice cards!

MM0 tracker. Two ended tonight for $655 and $710 which is a fairly steep drop. Ending on Superbowl Sunday and having 2 end that close together may not have helped though.

[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by Fenian95

Nice cards!

MM0 tracker. Two ended tonight for $655 and $710 which is a fairly steep drop. Ending on Superbowl Sunday and having 2 end that close together may not have helped though.

Still good money. At least these things can be found.

The 2018 old man logan metal blaster achievement is impossible to find even though there 529 currently on epack. Gotta be around 600 of these. Problem is one guy owns 477 of them. Lol.

Shameless plug, buy I'm 6 metal blasters away from this achievement if anyone wants to help. I dont need any of the 6 metals for a PC. Just making a second achievement card.

[Igman7]

Originally Posted by Gambit C10

Still good money. At least these things can be found.

The 2018 old man logan metal blaster achievement is impossible to find even though there 529 currently on epack. Gotta be around 600 of these. Problem is one guy owns 477 of them. Lol.

Shameless plug, buy I'm 6 metal blasters away from this achievement if anyone wants to help. I dont need any of the 6 metals for a PC. Just making a second achievement card.

I guess I should revisit my pricing on the set with Old Man Logan


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[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by Igman7

I guess I should revisit my pricing on the set with Old Man Logan


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Yep. The market is cornered and there aren't many metal blaster achievements left that can feasibly be made as achievements appear to still be active. FUXM is also cornered with respect to PMGs (same reason), sketches (2 other whales), and I think comic cuts (I want to.say these were hot for a bit)

[BipolarBear]

Originally Posted by Gambit C10

Yep. The market is cornered and there aren't many metal blaster achievements left that can feasibly be made as achievements appear to still be active. FUXM is also cornered with respect to PMGs (same reason), sketches (2 other whales), and I think comic cuts (I want to.say these were hot for a bit)

This is why I'm shocked that FUXM hasn't taken off the way FUSM has. It's another premium retro-style set with PMGs, cuts, etc., but with the added twist that only about half of the print run is even in circulation because one guy bought nearly half the entire set.

I guess its because the last couple X-movies were duds? I don't know. Those were all pre-Disney. This is one if Marvel's flagship properties with a huge following. When the Mouse does get to this, I expect this set to get very, very pricey.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by BipolarBear

This is why I'm shocked that FUXM hasn't taken off the way FUSM has. It's another premium retro-style set with PMGs, cuts, etc., but with the added twist that only about half of the print run is even in circulation because one guy bought nearly half the entire set.

I guess its because the last couple X-movies were duds? I don't know. Those were all pre-Disney. This is one if Marvel's flagship properties with a huge following. When the Mouse does get to this, I expect this set to get very, very pricey.

FUXM does seem underappreciated for the reasons you mention. Here is why I think FUSM gets more attention.

When push comes to shove, Spiderman brand > X-men brand in terms of card popularity (Spiderman and all his variants, Venom, Carnage all in Spiderman).

Inserts in general for FUSM are better. Preserved in amber/Royal Foils turned out to be popular. PMG list is probably better. Even the sketches seem better quality in FUSM.

More of a subjective notion, but I prefer the art in FUSM in general over FUXM. The legacy insert set for example is top notch, done by some of the giants from Marvel cards.

That being said, FUXM does mirror FUSM decently well, and the supply shortage in FUXM due to it being hoarded are both things that should lead to higher prices.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Yanks23

I mean if they pull MM, MA and now metal from stores and go 100% epack they would lose a lot of big customer business but maybe they wont care in the future but given market today i dont see it since people still want live cards and not deal with comc crap.

I expect Fanatics to streamline the online opportunities. Upper Deck needs to stay ahead of the game that they currently lead. Innovation is part of that.

UD partnering with a grading company.
UD partnering with a vault service.

[collectorcmc]

It is really just a few people buying "boxes" and dumping the bulk on comc. The amount of sets and parallels feels like mid 90s again...

[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

FUXM does seem underappreciated for the reasons you mention. Here is why I think FUSM gets more attention.

When push comes to shove, Spiderman brand > X-men brand in terms of card popularity (Spiderman and all his variants, Venom, Carnage all in Spiderman).

Inserts in general for FUSM are better. Preserved in amber/Royal Foils turned out to be popular. PMG list is probably better. Even the sketches seem better quality in FUSM.

More of a subjective notion, but I prefer the art in FUSM in general over FUXM. The legacy insert set for example is top notch, done by some of the giants from Marvel cards.

That being said, FUXM does mirror FUSM decently well, and the supply shortage in FUXM due to it being hoarded are both things that should lead to higher prices.

Agreed with branding. Pretty much always been the case. Spiderman is the lead roll for a comic series while the x-men are a group. The the spiderman shtick just works.

As for inserts i thought FUXM had the best with the connected image 9 card insert set and greatest battles set. Rest of FUXM inserts were meh and staxx, though creative, are probably a better retail insert for kids.

FUXM royal foil look kiddie to me and preserved amber were meh. Ex century are nicer in hand than you'd think. FUXM had way better art choices for metal.

I personally thought the new art in both sets was fantastic but the hildebrandt 3 card set was epic.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Gambit C10

Agreed with branding. Pretty much always been the case. Spiderman is the lead roll for a comic series while the x-men are a group. The the spiderman shtick just works.

As for inserts i thought FUXM had the best with the connected image 9 card insert set and greatest battles set. Rest of FUXM inserts were meh and staxx, though creative, are probably a better retail insert for kids.

FUXM royal foil look kiddie to me and preserved amber were meh. Ex century are nicer in hand than you'd think. FUXM had way better art choices for metal.

I personally thought the new art in both sets was fantastic but the hildebrandt 3 card set was epic.

I wasnt a fan of preserved in amber at first but it grew on me, the full color ones are pretty amazing in hand. The character list isnt the strongest, but it does have Spidey, Venom, and Carnage.

When it comes to inserts carrying a brand for value in the current market, its going to matter much more about the numbered/limited ones. 3x3 connected image and greatest battles (base) inserts from FUXM arent limited, they are common, so it wont affect product perception as much as something like amber (including cards down to numbered /5) or royal foil (down to /10).

Im a huge fan of Hildebrandt, but the 3x3 connected image in FUXM isnt my fav work of his. Something seems off in the painting, the lighting on some characters is darkened, the shape/proportions of the characters kind of off. Comparing it to the 1994 Fleer Ultra X-men Team 9 card team portrait set painted by the brothers Hildebrandt, the 1994 artwork is better by a pretty big margin imo (having more classic 90's era look of x-men doesnt hurt either). The 2018 FUXM connected image painting is actually currently for sale at 35k, but something tells me if that 1994 team portrait painting hit the market it would be sold off in a heartbeat at near that price (I dont know how big the 1994 painting is, the 2018 FUXM is quite large).

Similarly, Im a bigger fan of the 1994 Ultra X-men 6 card Greatest Battles set over the 2018 FUXM 10 card battles set, by a large margin. Now part of this could be nostalgia for those older classic cards, but I really do think Fleer's execution was much better for the 94 set than UD's with the newer set. For example, the base greatest battle inserts in FUXM dont even have foil- compare that to the 94's, where the foil really enhances the art. Some of the FUXM's are too cluttered, and they didnt need to make a large 10 card set for that.

My two cents, others might be different.

[BipolarBear]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I wasnt a fan of preserved in amber at first but it grew on me, the full color ones are pretty amazing in hand. The character list isnt the strongest, but it does have Spidey, Venom, and Carnage.

When it comes to inserts carrying a brand for value in the current market, its going to matter much more about the numbered/limited ones. 3x3 connected image and greatest battles (base) inserts from FUXM arent limited, they are common, so it wont affect product perception as much as something like amber (including cards down to numbered /5) or royal foil (down to /10).

Im a huge fan of Hildebrandt, but the 3x3 connected image in FUXM isnt my fav work of his. Something seems off in the painting, the lighting on some characters is darkened, the shape/proportions of the characters kind of off. Comparing it to the 1994 Fleer Ultra X-men Team 9 card team portrait set painted by the brothers Hildebrandt, the 1994 artwork is better by a pretty big margin imo (having more classic 90's era look of x-men doesnt hurt either). The 2018 FUXM connected image painting is actually currently for sale at 35k, but something tells me if that 1994 team portrait painting hit the market it would be sold off in a heartbeat at near that price (I dont know how big the 1994 painting is, the 2018 FUXM is quite large).

Similarly, Im a bigger fan of the 1994 Ultra X-men 6 card Greatest Battles set over the 2018 FUXM 10 card battles set, by a large margin. Now part of this could be nostalgia for those older classic cards, but I really do think Fleer's execution was much better for the 94 set than UD's with the newer set. For example, the base greatest battle inserts in FUXM dont even have foil- compare that to the 94's, where the foil really enhances the art. Some of the FUXM's are too cluttered, and they didnt need to make a large 10 card set for that.

My two cents, others might be different.

Sorta responding to all of the comments...

I agree that Spider-Man is a stronger brand, in general. He is THE Marvel character, no question, and the recent movies have been very good and very successful, which goes a long way.

I'm not surprised that FUSM is more, it's the degree to which it is more that I find odd.

For one thing, yeah, Spider-Man, Venom, and Carnage are big sells, and maybe Black Cat and the (inexplicable, in my view) love for Spider-Gwen but there is a very steep drop after that. The X-lineup is much deeper. Wolverine is probably the #2 character for collectors after Spidey. You also have Deadpool, Cable, and all of the X-ladies, most of whom are sought after by a lot of collectors. Comparing the lower tiers, I'd say characters like Cyclops, Colossus, Magneto, Juggernaut, etc., all have their fans, while Green Goblin, the Scarlet Spider, etc., just don't. I'm probably letting my bias as a lifelong X-Men obsessive sway my judgment somewhat.

I do agree that the inserts in FUSM were superior, but again, I don't think the margin there is as big as the price difference would suggest. FUXM did have some faults. The absence of Gambit is a big one. For some reason, a few key characters are missing from the PMG set (uh, Wolverine?) while there were some questionable inclusions (Alchemy, for example).

I don't know. Those two sets, plus the 2019 Flair, were probably my favs on ePack. I really appreciate them both.

Edit just to add that I agree that Stax were a total misfire. I give them props for creativity, but this one was just too gimicky.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by BipolarBear

Sorta responding to all of the comments...

I do like both sets a lot. The fleer ultra brand itself is great and I’d like to see a Fleer Ultra Avengers, seems like UD has been retaining (mostly) original art for Fleer Ultra, compare that to metal.

You are right the X-Men characters run a little deeper, it’s just the top end characters seem to be a little better in Spiderman, with Spider-Man himself obviously being the biggest factor. I’m thinking maybe they didn’t go with a Wolverine PMG to squeeze in the Old Man Logan achievement PMG- but sheesh! That’s one shortcoming for sure, no huge character (Wolverine or Deadpool) in the PMGs. Meanwhile in FUSM, you have a PMG of Spider-Man, Venom, Carnage (his first PMG), and even a different red/black suit Miles Morales Spider-Man, plus the Spider-Man Morales achievement.

Also count me in the same camp of being equally confused by spider-gwen.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I do like both sets a lot. The fleer ultra brand itself is great and I’d like to see a Fleer Ultra Avengers, seems like UD has been retaining (mostly) original art for Fleer Ultra, compare that to metal.

You are right the X-Men characters run a little deeper, it’s just the top end characters seem to be a little better in Spiderman, with Spider-Man himself obviously being the biggest factor. I’m thinking maybe they didn’t go with a Wolverine PMG to squeeze in the Old Man Logan achievement PMG- but sheesh! That’s one shortcoming for sure, no huge character (Wolverine or Deadpool) in the PMGs. Meanwhile in FUSM, you have a PMG of Spider-Man, Venom, Carnage (his first PMG), and even a different red/black suit Miles Morales Spider-Man, plus the Spider-Man Morales achievement.

Also count me in the same camp of being equally confused by spider-gwen.

In the xmen vs fusm pmgs... the FUSM pmgs have the rainbow effect which makes them stand out more. I think the spidey set was much more amazing overall with many Avengers added.
I also can't discount the fact that FUSM had the first eddie brock venom PMG... as opposed to the Flash Venom in 13 and 15 retro.
I put together the FUSM PMG set very quickly due to the art and the character list... I was very much looking forward to the xmen release. I didnt even buy legion (a character I collect) bc the flat foil wasnt a PMG to me

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by BipolarBear

FUXM did have some faults. The absence of Gambit is a big one.

Wow, I just noticed this. Why wasn't he included in the set?

[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

Wow, I just noticed this. Why wasn't he included in the set?

Gambit was probably a no no at the time. With 16 MM since the project started before gambit was blocked, his card and several other were allowable.

There was a several year period where a lot of popular characters couldn't be in trading cards. Some issues still exist like for Nightcrawler, but I'm no expert. Just commenting off memory.

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by Gambit C10

Gambit was probably a no no at the time. With 16 MM since the project started before gambit was blocked, his card and several other were allowable.

There was a several year period where a lot of popular characters couldn't be in trading cards. Some issues still exist like for Nightcrawler, but I'm no expert. Just commenting off memory.

Also, Gambit is associated with the X-men, which were a Fox property, and therefore persona non grata. Now that the gang is all one happy family, maybe more X-characters will come off the banned list.
(I know, FUXM is an X-men focused set. IDK)

[PurplesaurusRex]

Hmm, wonder if it had anything to do with the Gambit movie that was in production around that time. Still weird that they would do an entire X-men set without him. He's appeared in more recent sets unlike Nightcrawler, who is owned by the family of Dave Cockrum.

[BipolarBear]

Yeah, it was my understanding that it had something to do with the Gambit movie that never panned out, which was why he was left out of nearly every set after MM16 until recently.

I'm only just now noticing that Nightcrawler was also excluded from all of those, including Metal.i didn't know that about Cockrum.

[webjon]

Originally Posted by webjon

MM0 went from $350 to $1261 in 10 days.

MM0 has dropped ~60% in 17 days.

2/20/22 $510 325049014587
2/13/22 $655 234403911732
2/13/22 $710 234403912124
2/03/22 $1261 234387491567
1/24/22 $350 403421774340
1/23/22 $415 144341667509
1/23/22 $395 165290646043
1/21/22 $257 234373311589
1/21/22 $266 234333746362
12/1/22 $175 373810665716

A Venom Jambalaya just closed at $455 too -- off ~40% from the peak 14 days ago.

The prior sales for ungraded according to 130 PT were:

$611
$749
$762
$715
$630
$675