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Old 02-14-2022, 05:50 PM   #401
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I don’t see much dip on his higher end stuff, low end/base are the usual casualty as expected.
Give it time. We aren't 20hrs into it yet.
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Old 02-14-2022, 06:06 PM   #402
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IG is dead quiet today re: Burrow, the SB, etc. Nobody’s showing off how “smart” they are. I’m thoroughly enjoy it.


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Old 02-14-2022, 06:49 PM   #403
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I agree, the Bengals will be fine... not terrible, not great, probably fine.

I think Burrow is a great QB, but it's hilarious how much recency bias there is. People forget how difficult it is to even get to a SB, much less get back to one, much less win one, much less win 2 or 3. From a football standpoint, Burrow losing yesterday does not mean as much. He's gonna be really good for a long time. From a hobby standpoint, the last couple minutes of yesterday's game changed a ton. Burrow's prices may not return to last week's levels for years. Just the nature of the hobby, and the fact that there are SO many good young QBs now.


Have you checked the Mahomes thread? I'm not even kidding. Last year, he was the best QB ever, would never lose again, and would win the next 10 SB's in a row.

Then reality set in.


Part two of the bolded. I don't see it. He's got charm and charisma. He's got "it". I can see his prices bouncing right back with a couple 500 yard games next year.



And I'm a Pats fan.

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Old 02-14-2022, 10:04 PM   #404
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My absolute favorite thing about "Burrow prices" and the fact they lost...

Maybe I won't get hit with as many upcharges when PSA finishes my remaining Burrows cards after they'll had them for 13-16 months!

He's a solid hold in my book!
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Old 02-15-2022, 01:58 AM   #405
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Wow. You're a dick.
And I don't even collect Burrows.

This post aged well, he’s love to be a Stafford now.
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Old 02-15-2022, 07:12 AM   #406
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Have you checked the Mahomes thread? I'm not even kidding. Last year, he was the best QB ever, would never lose again, and would win the next 10 SB's in a row.

Then reality set in.


Part two of the bolded. I don't see it. He's got charm and charisma. He's got "it". I can see his prices bouncing right back with a couple 500 yard games next year.



And I'm a Pats fan.
I don't see his prices taking too much of a hit actually, he took the Bengals to the Super Bowl and almost won it in his second year in the league and basically his first full year playing after the knee injury. Come June/July/August they will probably be even higher than they were pre SB.
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Old 02-15-2022, 07:18 AM   #407
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This post aged well, he’s love to be a Stafford now.
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Old 02-15-2022, 07:30 AM   #408
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This is how I see the current prices for Burrow: He should stay above Herbert going into next season, and not equal to. Of course his prices will dip a bit more during the off season, but so should Herbert.
Unless LAC make some serious deals to upgrade the weapons Herbert has, I don’t see how anyone can expect them to compete in that AFC West. CIN obviously has to build a stronger OL and pick up an upgrade or two in their secondary over Apple because up front their D is pretty solid. Burrow is going to be very motivated like he was coming off his knee injury this year to prove he’s not a one and done SB QB so he will come out guns blazing. With Chase, Higgins and Mixon they have the weapons for him to get even better, but he has to be protected. Sacks have to come down or else his career will be shorter than anyone hopes. I believe his prices will jump to start next year but if they can build a stronger OL they may jump even more as the season starts.


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Old 02-15-2022, 07:36 AM   #409
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Burrow’s only card problem is that he shot up almost 3x during this calendar year. He’s absolutely going to fall, and already is. Prizm PSA 10 peaked at $771 (and many sales above $750). Already down to $371 for the last eBay sale (PWCC had some under $300 Sunday night). That’s base, but everything else will follow. Maybe not to as significant a degree.

Burrow is fantastic. Can’t see how he doesn’t win a SB. But 2020 and beyond products scare me. Way too much supply. Base Contenders is the only thing I’d consider.
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Old 02-15-2022, 08:58 AM   #410
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Aaron Rodgers turned 25 his first starting season, so yeah, it doesn’t matter much.
add.. Burrow 25 in his 2nd season as a starter. Same story for Brady. Brees turned 25 in January after his 2nd season as a starter.
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Old 02-15-2022, 09:18 AM   #411
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People really need to stop projecting in the NFL. There is no way to gauge what will happen next with any team. The best you can hope for is a QB who is great enough (and stays uninjured) so your team has a shot in the playoffs every year. Who, at the beginning of the year, saw a Rams v. Bengals Super Bowl coming?

The MLB, and especially the NBA, are different beasts; you can usually pencil in 2-4 teams that are guaranteed to make the WS/Finals - not so in the NFL. Plus, injuries can wipe out one of your rare opportunities (see the 2020 49ers). Let's also not forget that the pool of very good QB's is growing - 2017: Mahomes, Watson; 2018: Allen, LJack; 2019: Murray; 2020: Herbert, Burrow. Whose to say the influx of young, very good QB's stops?
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Old 02-15-2022, 09:39 AM   #412
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This post aged well, he’s love to be a Stafford now.
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Old 02-15-2022, 09:59 AM   #413
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Bengals will be just fine. Joe will be on his 3rd year rookie contract which puts immense pressure on Cincinnati to build that protection next season otherwise he can easily walk out after year 4.



I agree that nothing is guaranteed in the NFL, and the AFC is a bloodbath. Trent Dilfer disagrees but I like their chances given the circumstances. Odds of them coming back to a SB even with an improved Oline is extremely high but I think they have enough talent to be at least playoff contenders.



This SB loss really hurts them. No O'Dell, Higbee. Stafford was throwing picks, Ramsey didn't had the best game of his life and they even contained Kupp for a good portion of the game. Maybe it's inexperience or lack of overall talent but the trophy was right there for them. That O-Line crumbling in the second half was painful to watch.
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Old 02-15-2022, 10:27 AM   #414
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People really need to stop projecting in the NFL. There is no way to gauge what will happen next with any team. The best you can hope for is a QB who is great enough (and stays uninjured) so your team has a shot in the playoffs every year. Who, at the beginning of the year, saw a Rams v. Bengals Super Bowl coming?

The MLB, and especially the NBA, are different beasts; you can usually pencil in 2-4 teams that are guaranteed to make the WS/Finals - not so in the NFL. Plus, injuries can wipe out one of your rare opportunities (see the 2020 49ers). Let's also not forget that the pool of very good QB's is growing - 2017: Mahomes, Watson; 2018: Allen, LJack; 2019: Murray; 2020: Herbert, Burrow. Whose to say the influx of young, very good QB's stops?

Nice post!

Football has such a small window for error. One injury can ruin the entire season. One tipped pass and you’re headed home. The Braves lost a Top 10 player (on the planet) and still won a ring (definitively). In the NBA we can all predict who’s going to the Finals (between 3-4 teams). The young crop is growing by the year in the NFL. Parody is the name of the game.

…and don’t get me started on the MORONS that buy during playoff runs (in any sport). How stupid can you actually be?

I actually really like Burrow. He’s fun to watch. But he could also end up being Dan Marino without the stats. And in todays game & hobby…


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Old 02-15-2022, 10:38 AM   #415
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Burrow played well enough. I don’t think he’s going to be a failure as a franchise QB. I’m just not sure what the Bengals prospects are to getting back to a SB.

Their Oline needs completely rebuilt. Probably the most pressing because it’s hard to win with a bad Oline but also, Burrow can not keep taking this beating and stay healthy. Already one major knee injury and it appears narrowly avoided another in the SB.

Their secondary was exposed. Jessie Bates is awesome, but the rest are just a bunch of guys.
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Old 02-15-2022, 10:51 AM   #416
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I will be stocking up on Burrow heavy this off-season. I firmly believe that if they shore up that disaster of an o-line and add an extra piece or two in the secondary that Burrow will bring them multiple rings - more than Mahomes, Allen and 2nd after Brady. Burrow is a great buy and best long term hold of any player at the moment in my view. The sky is the limit for this young man, brought the worst team in the nfl to a superbowl in his first full season. He has shown me more than enough already
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I will be stocking up on Burrow heavy this off-season. I firmly believe that if they shore up that disaster of an o-line and add an extra piece or two in the secondary that Burrow will bring them multiple rings - more than Mahomes, Allen and 2nd after Brady. Burrow is a great buy and best long term hold of any player at the moment in my view. The sky is the limit for this young man, brought the worst team in the nfl to a superbowl in his first full season. He has shown me more than enough already
Sounds like you already have a bunch of Burrow. Yeh?
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Old 02-15-2022, 11:00 AM   #418
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Sounds like you already have a bunch of Burrow. Yeh?
Just an hga 9 optic blue scope, prizm black base, 2 select retail die-cuts, a couple mosaic base and some chronicles rookies. Hence why I said I WILL be stacking up. Was waiting to see how the season played out and how Burrow looked the whole way. Thanks for your concern though on a thread about Burrow
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Old 02-15-2022, 11:03 AM   #419
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The Burrow that was pulled in my buddies and I's shop in Indiana showed up on Ebay for a horrific BIN price. Guy pulled it out of a single pack buy, we sent it out to get graded for him, and he went and sold it for 16k right after he got it.

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The Burrow that was pulled in my buddies and I's shop in Indiana showed up on Ebay for a horrific BIN price. Guy pulled it out of a single pack buy, we sent it out to get graded for him, and he went and sold it for 16k right after he got it.

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Old 02-15-2022, 11:16 AM   #421
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Bengals will be just fine. Joe will be on his 3rd year rookie contract which puts immense pressure on Cincinnati to build that protection next season otherwise he can easily walk out after year 4.

I agree that nothing is guaranteed in the NFL, and the AFC is a bloodbath. Trent Dilfer disagrees but I like their chances given the circumstances. Odds of them coming back to a SB even with an improved Oline is extremely high but I think they have enough talent to be at least playoff contenders.


This SB loss really hurts them. No O'Dell, Higbee. Stafford was throwing picks, Ramsey didn't had the best game of his life and they even contained Kupp for a good portion of the game. Maybe it's inexperience or lack of overall talent but the trophy was right there for them. That O-Line crumbling in the second half was painful to watch.
Players can’t just “walk” once their contracts end. He’ll get franchise tag 100% guarantee, and that’s assuming they don’t extend him beforehand which has no shot of happening.
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Players can’t just “walk” once their contracts end. He’ll get franchise tag 100% guarantee, and that’s assuming they don’t extend him beforehand which has no shot of happening.
I still have NBA cap on my mind. But it's good to know.


So that means he's screwed then.
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Old 02-15-2022, 11:56 AM   #423
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I spent 85k on Joe Burrow cards in the past 2 weeks after owning zero before that (actually, I owned one auto I hit in my only break ever). I plan to spend a lot more.

I like his upside. He passes the eye test. Gutsy. Winner. It-factor. And most importantly, he's unbelievably accurate, throws a great deep ball, and has great pocket presence. If you're going to gamble on a QB over the next 15 years you're basically looking at Mahomes (who is too expensive for most people), Herbert, Allen or Burrow. Even of someone like Lamar Jackson wins a SB he's not going to get the hobby love.

People keep thinking everyone has to be Tom Brady for an investment to work out. That's not the case. Aaron Rodgers has done absolutely nothing playoff wise in literally over a decade. The greatest "talent" ever (by many people's standards) has been to 1 SB and yet his most expensive cards are well into the 6 figures and his Contenders PSA 10s are 40k.

Scared money doesn't make money.

Burrow is worth the risk to me. But I can understand the hesitancy for most people. Also, my "portfolio" is 90% Mahomes, so now I'm basically betting on Mahomes/Burrow every year. Double my chances.
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I spent 85k on Joe Burrow cards in the past 2 weeks after owning zero before that (actually, I owned one auto I hit in my only break ever). I plan to spend a lot more.

I like his upside. He passes the eye test. Gutsy. Winner. It-factor. And most importantly, he's unbelievably accurate, throws a great deep ball, and has great pocket presence. If you're going to gamble on a QB over the next 15 years you're basically looking at Mahomes (who is too expensive for most people), Herbert, Allen or Burrow. Even of someone like Lamar Jackson wins a SB he's not going to get the hobby love.

People keep thinking everyone has to be Tom Brady for an investment to work out. That's not the case. Aaron Rodgers has done absolutely nothing playoff wise in literally over a decade. The greatest "talent" ever (by many people's standards) has been to 1 SB and yet his most expensive cards are well into the 6 figures and his Contenders PSA 10s are 40k.

Scared money doesn't make money.

Burrow is worth the risk to me. But I can understand the hesitancy for most people. Also, my "portfolio" is 90% Mahomes, so now I'm basically betting on Mahomes/Burrow every year. Double my chances.
There are other QB's to gamble on. At least 1 from this past draft class will be the right choice this summer. Then the next 10 years we will see more QB's that are can't miss. Just right now its only the few in your post.
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I just don't see the bengals getting back to the super bowl next year. Good luck getting past/avoiding Mahomes and Allen again.
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