2021 Topps Chrome Tennis

[k13]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Sneak peek on pricing???

$1000 after all the special people get it first.

[Mahomie]

Originally Posted by Jagsfansunshine

It will be interesting to see the checklist though.

For sure - hoping for some Auger-Aliassime cards

[149montblanc]

Hope it’s done in the same style as F1 chrome. With the players standing up for the base cards and the autograph cards!

When’s the release date?

[ShoutFan2020]

Originally Posted by quackhead

All three on one card would be sweet!

I doubt this happens and I kind of hope it doesn't happen in the modern market as cases would be gobbled up by breakers, sending the cost soaring and ultimately Topps would pull Harrison Ford Stellar with the card magically showing up in a Goldin auction one day without a break pull video.

But I doubt they land all 3 anyways. Didn't happen with Transcendent so any of the 3 would be a Topps first. McEnroe would also be a wishful thought but not likely. It's too bad since a dual McEnroe/Borg would be an epic card.

I would imagine a similar lineup to Transcendent with the added young guns of Coco and Raducanu (neither of whom is top 10 right now). Which is fine for Graf, Becker, Agassi etc. but I would be surprised if there is any punch beyond that.

Listen to breakers open this will be hysterical, talk about clueless. Here's the current top 15 women;
1 Ashleigh Barty
2 Aryna Sabalenka
3 Barbora Krejčíková
4 Paula Badosa
5 Karolína Plíšková
6 Maria Sakkari
7 Anett Kontaveit
8 Iga Świątek
9 Garbiñe Muguruza
10 Ons Jabeur
11 Danielle Collins
12 Emma Raducanu
13 Jeļena Ostapenko
14 Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova
15 Elina Svitolina

[149montblanc]

Transcendent was a very poor set. The cards just looked too old fashioned with the styling! Plus the cards don’t seem to hold much value, except for the the Federer and Osaka cards!

[mnvikingstwins]

Checklist was awful for Transcendent too. Tennis a lot harder than the other sports to get a Topps rep to the players to sign for but no excuse to not have a good base set

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

Checklist was awful for Transcendent too. Tennis a lot harder than the other sports to get a Topps rep to the players to sign for but no excuse to not have a good base set

I have no idea how licenses for tennis work. I would think it would just be between Topps and the ATP/WTA, but there has to be a reason Nadal, Novak, and Serena weren't in Transcendent. Fed has far and away the most big exclusive sponsorships and they got him into Transcendent. Who knows. Missing Nadal, Novak, and Serena again would be a gigantic dissapointment. Autos of everyone would be nice, but even just base and parallel's will be enough to carry the product a long way.

[Jagsfansunshine]

I am fairly certain that tennis is tough sport to get a good checklist because 1.) it's an international sport with players that speak all different languages and live in different parts of the world throughout the year, 2.) each player and/or agent needs to be contacted as the ATP/WTA has no real control over them (no salaries are provided, just prize money), 3.) card companies have limited knowledge of tennis, and 4.) some players could care less about signing cards for money (djokovic & nadal)

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I have no idea how licenses for tennis work. I would think it would just be between Topps and the ATP/WTA, but there has to be a reason Nadal, Novak, and Serena weren't in Transcendent. Fed has far and away the most big exclusive sponsorships and they got him into Transcendent. Who knows. Missing Nadal, Novak, and Serena again would be a gigantic dissapointment. Autos of everyone would be nice, but even just base and parallel's will be enough to carry the product a long way.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by ShoutFan2020

I doubt this happens and I kind of hope it doesn't happen in the modern market as cases would be gobbled up by breakers, sending the cost soaring and ultimately Topps would pull Harrison Ford Stellar with the card magically showing up in a Goldin auction one day without a break pull video.

But I doubt they land all 3 anyways. Didn't happen with Transcendent so any of the 3 would be a Topps first. McEnroe would also be a wishful thought but not likely. It's too bad since a dual McEnroe/Borg would be an epic card.

I would imagine a similar lineup to Transcendent with the added young guns of Coco and Raducanu (neither of whom is top 10 right now). Which is fine for Graf, Becker, Agassi etc. but I would be surprised if there is any punch beyond that.

Listen to breakers open this will be hysterical, talk about clueless. Here's the current top 15 women;
1 Ashleigh Barty
2 Aryna Sabalenka
3 Barbora Krejčíková
4 Paula Badosa
5 Karolína Plíšková
6 Maria Sakkari
7 Anett Kontaveit
8 Iga Świątek
9 Garbiñe Muguruza
10 Ons Jabeur
11 Danielle Collins
12 Emma Raducanu
13 Jeļena Ostapenko
14 Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova
15 Elina Svitolina

OK, didn't know that about Transcendent. Maybe do a /10 of all three? Sounds like it won't happen, but would be cool.

[ShoutFan2020]

Originally Posted by Jagsfansunshine

I am fairly certain that tennis is tough sport to get a good checklist because 1.) it's an international sport with players that speak all different languages and live in different parts of the world throughout the year, 2.) each player and/or agent needs to be contacted as the ATP/WTA has no real control over them (no salaries are provided, just prize money), 3.) card companies have limited knowledge of tennis, and 4.) some players could care less about signing cards for money (djokovic & nadal)

And that seems to be the main problem with Topps, they need to bring in a specialist with extended knowledge of what would bring the "wow factor" to tennis products. (Psst, hey Topps I'm available for the right price).

Tennis to me could be amazing done right;

Imagine a Fully Loaded type set with signed Gut Check cards (strings from used racquet) and Get a Grip cards (used handle grip from racquet) and Net cards.

Imagine Sonic Boom cards (wow, a Kaboom set that makes sense) featuring the hardest hitting servers in the sport with their top MPH on the card.

Imagine Center Court booklet cards with an overview of Center Court stadium photography and two competitors on each side showcasing the greatest matches of all time (McEnroe/Borg, Chang/Lendl, Nadal/Joker, etc.)

Mixed Doubles dual auto cards featuring a top male/female athlete from each era or the male and female winners from a specific Grand Slam.

It's really underdeveloped and since we are living in the era of the greatest male Grand Slam champions of all-time it should really be done justice.

[LittleJimmies]

Need more details!

[tier1dc]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

All that matters is Fed, Nadal, Serena, and Osaka. They could include only doubles specialists for the rest of the checklist and it will still be huge as long as those 4 3 are in.

product needs Joker.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by tier1dc

product needs Joker.

Yep - not too interested if no Joker.

[ianh182]

Originally Posted by ShoutFan2020

Imagine Center Court booklet cards with an overview of Center Court stadium photography and two competitors on each side showcasing the greatest matches of all time (McEnroe/Borg, Chang/Lendl, Nadal/Joker, etc.)

This would be amazing!!

But yea, similar issues with a tennis set as with golf. The UD golf sets from last year have been underwhelming on the whole. Hoping SP Authentic will be better with on-card autos. But not a comprehensive checklist. Some big names missing.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by tier1dc

product needs Joker.

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Yep - not too interested if no Joker.

I really hope he is in too, him being one of the greatest players ever. And I'm very interested to see how singles values could play out. While equally historically great, Novak is so much less popular than Fed and Nadal, disliked even by most tennis fans.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I really hope he is in too, him being one of the greatest players ever. And I'm very interested to see how singles values could play out. While equally historically great, Novak is so much less popular than Fed and Nadal, disliked even by most tennis fans.

Joker is pretty much universally agreed to be the greatest ever already. Even if people don't like him, they realize how great he is. His cards reflect that.

[stretcharmstron]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I really hope he is in too, him being one of the greatest players ever. And I'm very interested to see how singles values could play out. While equally historically great, Novak is so much less popular than Fed and Nadal, disliked even by most tennis fans.

You obviously know very little about Tennis. He is one of the most popular and respected by Tennis fans. Apart from the goons who took that gene therapy mRNA, I mean 'vaccine'.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by stretcharmstron

You obviously know very little about Tennis. He is one of the most popular and respected by Tennis fans. Apart from the goons who took that gene therapy mRNA, I mean 'vaccine'.

[Jagsfansunshine]

Djoker needs to be in there if Fed and Nadal are...

Also, there's some good young talent on the men's side they should include like Alcaraz, Sinner, Rublev, Brooksby, Musetti. Most people don't realize it, but Nadal was an afterthought in the Netpro releases... At the time Kournikova, Seles, Roddick and Fed were the big draws.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Joker is pretty much universally agreed to be the greatest ever already. Even if people don't like him, they realize how great he is. His cards reflect that.

Are there any good direct comps to compare everyone though? I'm thinking Fed sells for a good 1.5-2x Novak and Nadal falls somewhere in between. Really hope they are all included and we find out! Need to stop getting my hopes up about what this product could be before a checklist comes out.

Originally Posted by stretcharmstron

You obviously know very little about Tennis. He is one of the most popular and respected by Tennis fans. Apart from the goons who took that gene therapy mRNA, I mean 'vaccine'.

Novak was widely disliked well before the whole Australian Open fiasco. His game and incredible durability are respected, but his personality has always rubbed people the wrong way. You may like him (I'm pretty indifferent), but it is really inarguable that his popularity relative to his level of success pales in comparison to Fed and Nadal. Seems like you probably just don't know very much about tennis.

[ianh182]

Originally Posted by stretcharmstron

You obviously know very little about Tennis. He is one of the most popular and respected by Tennis fans. Apart from the goons who took that gene therapy mRNA, I mean 'vaccine'.

This is just not true.

Even before covid he wasn't popular. Nowhere near Nadal and Federer. His achievements are respected, don't get me wrong. But as far as popularity goes, people just don't warm to him.

I was at the 2021 Wimbledon final and the majority of that crowd wanted Berrettini to win.

[panamamyers]

Never will agree that Nadal belongs in the conversation other than on the peripheral.
He is a clay court specialist that is on the level of Andre Agassi or Ivan Lendl outside of France. An exceptional tennis player still...just not in the conversation for best ever.
Federer And Djokovic both still have double figure grand slams if you take away their best tournament.

If 60% of your grand slams are at one place that defines you as a specialist.

Looking forward to this set being released.

[Jagsfansunshine]

Novak typically sells for more than Rafa or Fed with the exception of the 2003 Netpro /100 glossy series and Federer's 2003 Netpro International Series /25 RPA & /25 Jersey cards. To date he has very few cards. The 2006 Ace Authentic RCs are limited to runs of /599 /256 and around /100 and typically sell in the 3K-20K range. Whereas Nadal and Fed have base cards numbering around 100,000 along with serial numbered releases. The later limited Ace Authentic releases still favor Djokovic because most people can't afford his rookie cards -- and he was not included in any of the Leaf releases after they acquired Ace Authentic.

[stretcharmstron]

Originally Posted by panamamyers

Never will agree that Nadal belongs in the conversation other than on the peripheral.
He is a clay court specialist that is on the level of Andre Agassi or Ivan Lendl outside of France. An exceptional tennis player still...just not in the conversation for best ever.
Federer And Djokovic both still have double figure grand slams if you take away their best tournament.

If 60% of your grand slams are at one place that defines you as a specialist.

Looking forward to this set being released.

Nailed it.

[Jagsfansunshine]

Ironically, I think his popularity began to change when he was at the US Open last year competing for the calendar Grand Slam. It's the first time I've ever witnessed the crowd overtly support him, especially when he broke down in the final. It was actually a pretty cool moment...

Originally Posted by ianh182

This is just not true.

Even before covid he wasn't popular. Nowhere near Nadal and Federer. His achievements are respected, don't get me wrong. But as far as popularity goes, people just don't warm to him.

I was at the 2021 Wimbledon final and the majority of that crowd wanted Berrettini to win.