2000 Fleer Showcase Masterpiece Pricing

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Tough, if what you said is true, you probably got the legit one since the Fleer bankruptcy auction went in 2005. Now it could be a backdoored copy stamped afterwards. Good luck and interested to see how this turns out.

I doubt it was a bankruptcy leak.

Originally Posted by teamterrellowen

I've seen a few other players in this set with the same front as the Masterpieces, but not the actual numbering on the back. Did guy on Twitter have a pic of the back of the card?

It has the numbering and whole phrase on the back.

Originally Posted by Edreedballhawk

That's the only photo he shared. He did end up having several nice Lewis cards that he sold.

I saw pictures of the Ray before and after the sale. It was definitely legit by all accounts. Sizing, shaping, foiling, coloring, everything was spot on. Its funny because the seller also referenced the Jerry Rice as a point of negotiations.

Not to discount OP, but it could be a situation that the friend sold it long ago and is afraid to admit he did. The picture does seem very low quality, and if I was trying to show a potential $1000-2000 item that my friend got me, I would provide better pics if that friend requested it.

[Atrox77]

Just woke up to the above response to which I will respond. I'm going to have my friend mail me the card, so I can take better photos, time stamp, coin, or whatever else needs to be done so my integrity isn't being questioned anymore. I'll reiterate that this card was bought in between October and December of 2000, and has been in my best friend's possession since. My friend hasn't been in the hobby since the 90s, has never sold a card, sold or bought anything on eBay ever, and we have no reason to claim to have something that we actually don't.

[hreed2]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Not to discount OP, but it could be a situation that the friend sold it long ago and is afraid to admit he did. The picture does seem very low quality, and if I was trying to show a potential $1000-2000 item that my friend got me, I would provide better pics if that friend requested it.

The friend came to the OP asking for help in selling it. If he already sold it then that wouldn't make sense.

My initial thought was a bankruptcy leak but you made a good point about it having the whole phrase on it and not just the 1/1 stamp.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by Atrox77

Just woke up to the above response to which I will respond. I'm going to have my friend mail me the card, so I can take better photos, time stamp, coin, or whatever else needs to be done so my integrity isn't being questioned anymore. I'll reiterate that this card was bought in between October and December of 2000, and has been in my best friend's possession since. My friend hasn't been in the hobby since the 90s, has never sold a card, sold or bought anything on eBay ever, and we have no reason to claim to have something that we actually don't.

I apologize if you feel like I'm questioning your integrity. I am not. I have simply stated that there is a person who owns this card. That you should make sure your friend has the item. I do not know your relationship with this person, but sometimes people tell their friends less than the truth in hopes they do not upset their friend.
Personally? I believe the scenario that there is only one of these and that your friend is mistaken or trying to still locate the item as a more likely scenario than this being the first instance of two 2000 Showcase Masterpieces with proper stamping popping up.
Remember, we are all internet strangers, so when faced with situations, the most logical is what is accepted until shown otherwise.

Originally Posted by hreed2

The friend came to the OP asking for help in selling it. If he already sold it then that wouldn't make sense.

My initial thought was a bankruptcy leak but you made a good point about it having the whole phrase on it and not just the 1/1 stamp.

You're looking at the story from OPs perspective. OP could be very enthusiastic about selling the item for his friend, the friend could have been caught up about how enthusiastic OP is for selling, friend could be off looking for the item, found an old pic on his computer, sent that in hopes to be enough for the moment until he locates the item. All the while, forgetting that he sold the card 8 years ago.
This scenario happens.

Personally? I never heard of 2 - 2000 Showcase Masterpieces with proper stamping before, of any player.

Once again, I want to reiterate to OP, I am not questioning his integrity, but the story has a lot of moving parts that are out of his control. I would not be surprised to see this going either way at this time, with the friend having the card or the friend not having the card.

[Atrox77]

My friend is going to mail me the card. I also asked him to take pictures of it again before he does so when he gets home from work tonight.

[JeffG1954]

Originally Posted by Atrox77

My friend is going to mail me the card. I also asked him to take pictures of it again before he does so when he gets home from work tonight.

Wouldn't it be great if your friend and the person that marinocollector knows is the same?.....problem solved.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by JeffG1954

Wouldn't it be great if your friend and the person that marinocollector knows is the same?.....problem solved.

They are not the same. The other owner contacted OP as well.

Not trying to start trouble or anything for anyone. Like I said, just want to voice all concerns and make sure everyone knows what is going on.

[Zauron]

The only thing I got, is the back, I can't make out if it states "The only 1/1 Masterpiece"

All Fleer Showcase 1/1's said that. My Champ Bailey from 1999 says that.

There are several blank backs that were backdoored out there, but there is a stamp on this one.

Do we have a back pic of the other card in question?

[SleeperCards]

Would be cool to get HQ images of both to compare.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

They are not the same. The other owner contacted OP as well.

Not trying to start trouble or anything for anyone. Like I said, just want to voice all concerns and make sure everyone knows what is going on.

There could be more than one copy.

Shocking, I know.

[teamterrellowen]

Originally Posted by Atrox77

My friend is going to mail me the card. I also asked him to take pictures of it again before he does so when he gets home from work tonight.

Did he take anymore pics?

[Atrox77]

Hey Terrell Owens, he did and I'll try to upload them when I get home. They're not all that much better, but I did send them through Instagram to the owner of the other 1/1. I'm also having the card mailed to me as well so it should be on its way and I'll have better pictures.

[Atrox77]

Originally Posted by Zauron

The only thing I got, is the back, I can't make out if it states "The only 1/1 Masterpiece"

All Fleer Showcase 1/1's said that. My Champ Bailey from 1999 says that.

There are several blank backs that were backdoored out there, but there is a stamp on this one.

Do we have a back pic of the other card in question?

Yes it does have the purple stamping of The Only 1/1 Masterpiece......

[MrMasterpiece]

There are multiple 1/1s of the same card. There’s a way to tell fakes as well. At one time there were two Brady rookie 1/1s listed from
This set on eBay at the same time with all the correct features in around 2004. They both ended under $3000. Ive been collecting 1/1 since 1999. Just FYI for the board, during that same year the Brady 1/1 ultra masterpiece rookie sold for $1250. I’ll never forget those times. Lol. Smh

[gtoreli]

update?

[Atrox77]

Hey all - FINALLY after harping on my friend to get me this card it just arrived. I had to send him a priority box back to myself and told him to just stick the card in the box. Well it is here. I have been in contact with the owner of the other Masterpiece (Tim). I'm not sure if he is a part of this forum or not. Anyway, I told him I can send this to PSA to have it authenticated, as he tried doing the same with BGS for his card, but they do not authenticate Masterpiece cards according to him. Here are the pics of the card, again like I said bought in 2000 (between October and December) and has been sitting in a box ever since. Sorry for taking so long with this process, my friend isn't on top of things, let alone mailing an envelope, that's also a reason that I knew he never sold the card. He's never been on eBay in his life.

[zolt1313]

So could this have the same backstory as the 2000 Brady Showcase Masterpiece that has two 1/1s, one of which was recently at auction?

[mfisher27]

Originally Posted by zolt1313

So could this have the same backstory as the 2000 Brady Showcase Masterpiece that has two 1/1s, one of which was recently at auction?

That’s what I’m assuming, same set too.

I wonder what Beckett said exactly to the other guy as far as not grading/authenticating. I thought both Brady’s were in slabs? Maybe neither were BGS though, I don’t remember.

[Archangel1775]

My OCD is asking why are framing your hand around those corners.EEECKKKKkkk. Back to BGS, maybe they changed their mind due to the Brady issue.

[APOHBatAutos]

Originally Posted by Atrox77

I'm not sure how to post pictures guys so I'll have to wait until I get home from work to post. He definitely has the card because like I said he has been out of cards since 98 practically. I only got back into cards because of covid, and for the past 2 years I've been telling him how crazy this hobby is now, and for 2 years I've been asking him to find that masterpiece that I know he had buried somewhere. I swore I had bought him the 98 ultra masterpiece so I was surprised when he sent me the 2000 Showcase picture. I only have two crappy cell phone shots right now from him, but he did find it. If you're able to hit the link above then that's great because I can't figure out how to post pictures on this forum :/

Originally Posted by Atrox77

Just woke up to the above response to which I will respond. I'm going to have my friend mail me the card, so I can take better photos, time stamp, coin, or whatever else needs to be done so my integrity isn't being questioned anymore. I'll reiterate that this card was bought in between October and December of 2000, and has been in my best friend's possession since. My friend hasn't been in the hobby since the 90s, has never sold a card, sold or bought anything on eBay ever, and we have no reason to claim to have something that we actually don't.

Don't mean to question your story, but this doesn't really add up at all.

You're saying that you purchased the card between October and December of 2000, but at the same time you didn't even remember what Masterpiece you had purchased him and you thought it was the 1998 Ultra Masterpiece.

Those are two vastly different cards to misremember. I would have a hard time believing that you could forget what the card was, and at the same time not be able to forget when you purchased it. Even if you say it was for your friends birthday in December of 2000, if you cannot even remember what card it was why not be able to forget that it was really in 2001 that you got it for him? And to that point why throw out a window of October to December, why couldn't it have been November to December?

Your story just seems chalk full of memory based details and the way you're describing what happened and when it happened, makes little to no sense. It's okay to be off on dates and such, but maybe you should just say you bought it sometime in 2000 to the best of your memory, while at the same time laughing about the fact you didn't even remember what card it was- so who knows?

It's not that I don't believe you bought this card for your friend, just up to now you have zero proof that you actually did and your story doesn't check out.

[Atrox77]

If eBay has a way to verify my purchases from the year 2000 then I can tell you the exact date that I bought it and the person that I bought it off of. I bought it as a Christmas present for my friend who liked Ray Lewis as a player, and at that time 1/1s were still a big deal (if my apparently God awful memory serves me right). I'm not sure why my memory of WHAT EXACT CARD is in question here - I stopped collecting cards around the early 2000s when my interests as a young 20 year old turned to other things. Then I regained interest (like many others) during the Covid shutdown when I was going through my garage and found my box of rookies that I stashed over the years. No, I didn't remember what year and what set that I had bought him. For some reason I thought it was 1998, but I guess apparently it was 2000. Why that is some kind of issue here, I have absolutely no idea. I haven't seen the card in over 20 years until tonight. I was out of cards. He was out of cards. The reason that I remember the dates was because I bought it for him for Christmas 2000, before I moved to Vegas in January of 2001. Do I remember the months? No. But I'll assume that it was a 3 month window leading up to Christmas. I said October to December, but you're right it could have been November to December. What's the difference, and why do those little details discredit this story? I'm not here with some high dollar rare card asking to sell it for 50K, it's not even for sale. I asked for advice and opinions, which snowballed into something else because someone else claims to have the same exact card. You're right I have zero proof, but if there is a way for me to get proof through eBay from my purchase history in the year 2000 then I can certainly submit proof (other than the fact that I've provided pictures of me holding the card, which also seemed to upset someone else because i was holding it by the corners).

I bought the card TOWARDS THE END of 2000.

The card exists.

I'm staring at it now.

I can't prove what I bought off of eBay (to my knowledge) over 20 years ago.

I have no financial interests at stake here, so I'm not sure why the validity of this situation is being questioned.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Atrox77

If eBay has a way to verify my purchases from the year 2000 then I can tell you the exact date that I bought it and the person that I bought it off of. I bought it as a Christmas present for my friend who liked Ray Lewis as a player, and at that time 1/1s were still a big deal (if my apparently God awful memory serves me right). I'm not sure why my memory of WHAT EXACT CARD is in question here - I stopped collecting cards around the early 2000s when my interests as a young 20 year old turned to other things. Then I regained interest (like many others) during the Covid shutdown when I was going through my garage and found my box of rookies that I stashed over the years. No, I didn't remember what year and what set that I had bought him. For some reason I thought it was 1998, but I guess apparently it was 2000. Why that is some kind of issue here, I have absolutely no idea. I haven't seen the card in over 20 years until tonight. I was out of cards. He was out of cards. The reason that I remember the dates was because I bought it for him for Christmas 2000, before I moved to Vegas in January of 2001. Do I remember the months? No. But I'll assume that it was a 3 month window leading up to Christmas. I said October to December, but you're right it could have been November to December. What's the difference, and why do those little details discredit this story? I'm not here with some high dollar rare card asking to sell it for 50K, it's not even for sale. I asked for advice and opinions, which snowballed into something else because someone else claims to have the same exact card. You're right I have zero proof, but if there is a way for me to get proof through eBay from my purchase history in the year 2000 then I can certainly submit proof (other than the fact that I've provided pictures of me holding the card, which also seemed to upset someone else because i was holding it by the corners).

I bought the card TOWARDS THE END of 2000.

The card exists.

I'm staring at it now.

I can't prove what I bought off of eBay (to my knowledge) over 20 years ago.

I have no financial interests at stake here, so I'm not sure why the validity of this situation is being questioned.

If you have access to your old email, you could check for eBay notification from that time frame. I wouldn't sweat it though. What I WOULD do is send that card to PSA before the other guy sends his.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by Atrox77

If eBay has a way to verify my purchases from the year 2000 then I can tell you the exact date that I bought it and the person that I bought it off of. I bought it as a Christmas present for my friend who liked Ray Lewis as a player, and at that time 1/1s were still a big deal (if my apparently God awful memory serves me right). I'm not sure why my memory of WHAT EXACT CARD is in question here - I stopped collecting cards around the early 2000s when my interests as a young 20 year old turned to other things. Then I regained interest (like many others) during the Covid shutdown when I was going through my garage and found my box of rookies that I stashed over the years. No, I didn't remember what year and what set that I had bought him. For some reason I thought it was 1998, but I guess apparently it was 2000. Why that is some kind of issue here, I have absolutely no idea. I haven't seen the card in over 20 years until tonight. I was out of cards. He was out of cards. The reason that I remember the dates was because I bought it for him for Christmas 2000, before I moved to Vegas in January of 2001. Do I remember the months? No. But I'll assume that it was a 3 month window leading up to Christmas. I said October to December, but you're right it could have been November to December. What's the difference, and why do those little details discredit this story? I'm not here with some high dollar rare card asking to sell it for 50K, it's not even for sale. I asked for advice and opinions, which snowballed into something else because someone else claims to have the same exact card. You're right I have zero proof, but if there is a way for me to get proof through eBay from my purchase history in the year 2000 then I can certainly submit proof (other than the fact that I've provided pictures of me holding the card, which also seemed to upset someone else because i was holding it by the corners).

I bought the card TOWARDS THE END of 2000.

The card exists.

I'm staring at it now.

I can't prove what I bought off of eBay (to my knowledge) over 20 years ago.

I have no financial interests at stake here, so I'm not sure why the validity of this situation is being questioned.

When dealing with high end collectibles, provenance is key. Especially if something like a manufacturer error allowed 2 1/1s of the same card to be released and it is not highly known information.
Fortunately and unfortunately, Fleer/Skybox cards from this era have become some of the most valuable and highly desired collectibles in our industry. When Fleer Skybox went out of business, a lot of their items were sold at auction, including, but not limited to, machine stamping equipment, authentication crimps, uncut sheets of limited collectibles, shells for GU'd 1/1 cards, unnumbered 1/1 proofs, and tons of other unnumbered variations to some of the rarest parallels.
Due to that and ever increasing technological advances allowing counterfeiters the ability to create fakes or alter these proofs, collectors have become skeptical.
Remember, we're all internet strangers, we're just voicing concerns and having a conversation.
Your gift has increased a large amount since you purchased it for your friend. Technology has changed since you purchased it for your friend. People have become more cynical since you purchased it for your friend. As the value increases and the stakes become higher, the more provenance you have the more comfortable one is with purchasing from you, and the more valuable the Ray Lewis becomes.
The collectible world has been this way for years. Heck, we have to endure fake Ted Williams autographs because his son was forging his autographs.

[APOHBatAutos]

No one here knows you. So don't take it personal. Taking everything you said at face value sounds good, but the story again makes no sense. How would anyone know you have no financial interest here? $30 to some people is pretty meaningful. I don't respect the argument of this isn't some big $ item and it isn't for sale. So since you say you have no financial interest here, the validity of your story cannot be questioned? Doesn't make any sense either. The very OP talks about the fact that your friend wants to sell it and asks how to price it.

The most plausible scenario in my opinion would be that your friend is a made up character and it has always been your card, and it's not the real copy and you are trying to give it a backstory before selling it.

Sorry, that's just how it looks.

[kaisersoze]

lol deniers in this thread even after OP posting photos of the card

seems pretty obvious there isn't just one copy out there of these cards

Second, controversial, 1-of-1 Tom Brady rookie card sells at auction for $396,000