First Buzz: 2021 Panini Mosaic football cards

[k13]

If someone is interested in a huge base rookie lot. Over 100...Let me know.
Can include mac, lawrence or not.

[Chris P]

A local guy who seems to scoop up all mosaic football at our WM's is asking $130 per blaster at his shop lol

[Edreedballhawk]

Originally Posted by k13

High or low?

High, but today's card market is strange.

[Fanatics2026]

Originally Posted by k13

If someone is interested in a huge base rookie lot. Over 100...Let me know.
Can include mac, lawrence or not.

I’m interested in all

[Anklebreaker]

Originally Posted by Chris P

A local guy who seems to scoop up all mosaic football at our WM's is asking $130 per blaster at his shop lol

Not surprised. Don’t support and his price will lower sooner or later.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Anklebreaker

Not surprised. Don’t support and his price will lower sooner or later.

I would never..I don't buy retail on the secondary market and certainly not at double secondary market prices

[DiamondDonovan]

Now that the Honeycomb is in the product, are Genesis parallels easy pulls?

I opened 3 hangers today and 2 of them had a Genesis (Antonio Gibson and a Jevon Holland RC). The third hanger box had a silver. Was it just pure luck? Or just more common now

Opened up a ton of NBA formats and never pulled a single Genesis...so I was quite surprised to see 2 today.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by DiamondDonovan

Now that the Honeycomb is in the product, are Genesis parallels easy pulls?

I opened 3 hangers today and 2 of them had a Genesis (Antonio Gibson and a Jevon Holland RC). The third hanger box had a silver. Was it just pure luck? Or just more common now

Opened up a ton of NBA formats and never pulled a single Genesis...so I was quite surprised to see 2 today.

Genesis parallels have never been rare. Maybe they were hard to pull, that doesnt mean they were rare.

[pnft17]

Honeycomb appears much tougher than Genesis. Probably Honeycomb and Peacock the rarest not numbered parallels

[daveyou]

not sure if mentioned but I am seeing mosaic football white sparkle packs coming out in a few days from panini site with the whopping $750 PER PACK of 4 cards as a start price via dutch auction.

[Anklebreaker]

Originally Posted by DiamondDonovan

Now that the Honeycomb is in the product, are Genesis parallels easy pulls?

I opened 3 hangers today and 2 of them had a Genesis (Antonio Gibson and a Jevon Holland RC). The third hanger box had a silver. Was it just pure luck? Or just more common now

Opened up a ton of NBA formats and never pulled a single Genesis...so I was quite surprised to see 2 today.

Pure luck. I opened 2 blasters, 10 cellos, 6 hangers and no genesis. Only 1 trash auto. It’s harder than most people think. It’s all straight luck.

[Tonic3]

Originally Posted by daveyou

not sure if mentioned but I am seeing mosaic football white sparkle packs coming out in a few days from panini site with the whopping $750 PER PACK of 4 cards as a start price via dutch auction.

Ya, even at the bottom ($150) it'd be a rough break. At $150 that's equivalent to about 2500-3000 panini points. I hope this isn't the new normal going forward because what else am I supposed to use points for then?

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Tonic3

Ya, even at the bottom ($150) it'd be a rough break. At $150 that's equivalent to about 2500-3000 panini points. I hope this isn't the new normal going forward because what else am I supposed to use points for then?

2020 Mosaic White Sparkle FB were also sold. I think those were much lower priced. $70-75?

Certain White Sparkle packs are still sold for points, like Optic Basketball and Football.

[KBA]

Finally found some Mosaic FB retail. Hopefully I’ll catch some more before it’s off the shelves. Really digging that base design. Chance at a ton of different case hits is neat too.

[k13]

Originally Posted by KBA

Finally found some Mosaic FB retail. Hopefully I’ll catch some more before it’s off the shelves. Really digging that base design. Chance at a ton of different case hits is neat too.

The cards look nice but top rookie parallels selling for like the price of blaster and someone in this thread said the market is great.

[CoolMike]

Picked up 20 blasters at 50 a clip. Hopefully grab something nice.

[Tonic3]

Did the white sparkle packs sell today? I completely forgot about the dutch auction. Anyone know what was the final sell-out price?

[Excon]

Sold out at $250

[maj78]

What do cellos retail for and which format has been best for you so far out of hangers, blasters and cellos? So far, I’ve had better luck with hangers vs. blasters and they’re cheaper but haven’t opened any cellos yet.

[HitlessAgain82]

Originally Posted by maj78

What do cellos retail for and which format has been best for you so far out of hangers, blasters and cellos? So far, I’ve had better luck with hangers vs. blasters and they’re cheaper but haven’t opened any cellos yet.

14.99 retail. I was able to get 3 on target.com about 3 weeks ago. The 12 card pack usually has 2 mosaic parallels, 1 insert, and 1-2 rookies, with a chance at silver base prizms and “case hits” genesis and honeycomb mosaics. Rare chance at autos too. It also comes with a 3 card pack of pink camo mosaics, usually 2 vets and 1 RC. The only card of note I pulled was a Sam Darnold genesis, but I’d recommend snagging some if you can ever get lucky and find them at retail prices.

[FinSoonerGMG]

Any idea on White sparkle print runs?


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[forest]

Saw in Beckett's database that the rookie debut cards aren't considered RCs by their standards. Anyone have any info as to why? They're a part of the base set (i.e. they're not an insert), and there's really nothing differentiating them from the base rookies besides the little "NFL Debut" text. I get why they're not as highly desired as the standard RCs from Mosaic, but I still don't see why they aren't officially considered rookie cards.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by forest

Saw in Beckett's database that the rookie debut cards aren't considered RCs by their standards. Anyone have any info as to why? They're a part of the base set (i.e. they're not an insert), and there's really nothing differentiating them from the base rookies besides the little "NFL Debut" text. I get why they're not as highly desired as the standard RCs from Mosaic, but I still don't see why they aren't officially considered rookie cards.

There cant be two base RCs. They are part of subset.

[forest]

Originally Posted by mc1

There cant be two base RCs. They are part of subset.

I don't think that first point is true, at least by Beckett's standards. 89 year old example, but Babe Ruth has four base cards in 1933 Goudey (#53, #144, #149, #181) and Beckett considers all of them to be true RCs. I don't see why their logic would be any different when considering these Mosaic rookie debut cards.

Second, they literally aren't part of a subset. At least not any more so than the base RCs are part of a subset. They're base cards. NFL Debut cards are numbered 241-260 in the 400 card base set, while the base RCs are numbered 301-400. And if they were to have to choose one "true" base RC from the set, why wouldn't it be the card that appears first in the set, which would be the rookie debuts? Or more logically, they should both just be considered RCs.

The Wander Franco rookie card debate got me interested in these rules, and based on the rules I just can't see why the Rookie Debuts aren't considered true RCs.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by forest

I don't think that first point is true, at least by Beckett's standards. 89 year old example, but Babe Ruth has four base cards in 1933 Goudey (#53, #144, #149, #181) and Beckett considers all of them to be true RCs. I don't see why their logic would be any different when considering these Mosaic rookie debut cards.

Second, they literally aren't part of a subset. At least not any more so than the base RCs are part of a subset. They're base cards. NFL Debut cards are numbered 241-260 in the 400 card base set, while the base RCs are numbered 301-400. And if they were to have to choose one "true" base RC from the set, why wouldn't it be the card that appears first in the set, which would be the rookie debuts? Or more logically, they should both just be considered RCs.

The Wander Franco rookie card debate got me interested in these rules, and based on the rules I just can't see why the Rookie Debuts aren't considered true RCs.

Valid points but the hobby has spoken.

NFL debuts are not seen as the true RC.