Marvel Cards are going crazy.

[dd316]

Originally Posted by glorbgorb

I think it DOES happen. How many times is there an exact replacement? Hardly ever from what I see on forums and FB groups.

Like I said, they might also hang onto quality check pulls for replacements, but either way it doesn't mean they'll have an EXACT replacement.

I remember the times when a company would even re-stamp a specific serial number onto a replacement. I suppose back then they kept a stock of unstamped cards for such reasons, I couldn't see any manufacturer reprinting single cards.

[BobCollects]

Originally Posted by CableRock

I got it from epack. Shipped to me like that. They gave me the option of a full value replacement if I sent it in or a partial and I keep it. They said they were low on marvel cards so I may not get what I wanted if I did a full replacement.

You’d think running low on Marvel cards would tell UD something about the quality of their cards lately.


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[estebahn73]

Looks like the demand for the 2013 Fleer Retro Marvel cards (PMGs and other inserts) seems to have reached fever pitch. So what do you guys think is the next product? Inevitably when one product gets too expensive it goes to the next most desired product. I would think 2016 Marvel Masterpieces fits that mold. High end, Very limited and has all the top characters people love with great inserts. They are some of the most beautiful marvel cards out there. Tier 4 /99 base cards are super rare - almost like first Exquisite BKB RCs. I have a feeling those cards will go for big money in 5-10 years

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by estebahn73

Looks like the demand for the 2013 Fleer Retro Marvel cards (PMGs and other inserts) seems to have reached fever pitch. So what do you guys think is the next product? Inevitably when one product gets too expensive it goes to the next most desired product. I would think 2016 Marvel Masterpieces fits that mold. High end, Very limited and has all the top characters people love with great inserts. They are some of the most beautiful marvel cards out there. Tier 4 /99 base cards are super rare - almost like first Exquisite BKB RCs. I have a feeling those cards will go for big money in 5-10 years

2016 MM and 2017 FUSM seem to be the next in line sets. I argue they already have taken off, particularly 2016 MM. I'd rather be going for those two sets over Vibranium, newer Metal, or anything rittenhouse, just a personal preference.

2016 MM tier 4 base will always be super desirable since there are only 99 possible complete 2016 Marvel Masterpieces true base sets- and purists tend to want a true base set. The tier 4's are already high, but I agree there is still a lot of potential there.

One question is what will start happening with later MM sets. Im seeing base tier 4's for 2018 MM already going for surprising amounts. 2018 didnt get quite the attention of 2016, so you dont usually see as many, for example, tier 4 base like Wolverine and Spiderman on the market than corresponding cards from 2016, a set which seems to have a large presence on ebay. At this moment an ebay search for "2016 Marvel Masterpieces tier 4" returns 71 results, "2018 Marvel Masterpieces tier 4" only returns 24.

[Xazark]

I think 2016 MM will definitely continue to increase in value, but im probably bias as I have a large MM16 collection

[DynaEtch]

Same, so I should add that to my previous post in full disclosure. I do try to look at things objectively and still think 2016 has attained a sort of legendary status, it’s got nothing to do with me collecting it. I also have a large collection of 2007-2008 MM, and who am I kidding, those sets aren’t going anywhere and get almost no love (rightfully, because of their nature).

Recently picked this up




The parallels are interesting because for a card like this, it’s /99 for the orange, then the next one is down to a /10 (!), the autos- nothing in between. As for the autos, it’s a ghost town out there in terms of this Miles card, either the silver spectrum or what if. I’m not seeing them anywhere. It shows how many of these cards are buried deep in collections, that people aren’t putting them up for sale even in this crazy market where it would do super well. (I don’t own any of the auto versions, I wish).

[nabzy28]

These markets will go nuts, again, once a reasonable grading tier (pricing) opens up at PSA. The grading companies shutting down stopped everything in its tracks, which some saw as bad. In reality, it may have been a gift of about 18 months to plan ahead. Serial numbered stuff will do well, especially main characters.

[hmballin]

I have my 2018 MM spider tier 4 /99 on eBay at the moment. Haven’t committed to putting up my what if /50 spidey. I think 2016 and 2018 MM along with 2017 FUSM are the next to go. The /99 tier 4’s are going to be hard to pick up due to some of them being locked away forever in collections.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Found this card in a box of Marvel Flair 2019. It's a Wolverine buyback out of 20, any ideas on value?

[BipolarBear]

Originally Posted by CableRock

Yes, I kept the magik. They estimated the value that the scratch took off and sent something they said was comparable.

That makes more sense to me now. I kinda thought a green for a red was a weak exchange, even if the red was from Retro.

[Archangel1775]

Precious Metal Gems are where it's at. It's a legendary set that crosses over into sports. Jambalaya inserts as well.

[glorbgorb]

At some point there will be too many of them. It started with X-Men Metal. All 200 base cards with PMG parallels. UD knew what they were doing. At some point collectors will have PMG fatigue and only pre-X-Men Metal will be sought after.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Precious Metal Gems are where it's at. It's a legendary set that crosses over into sports. Jambalaya inserts as well.

I hope you're right. I normally don't grade cards, but I was looking to bring some cards to the National for trading, so I spend around $500 (more than I have spend buying any cards his year) to grade 5 cards and this was the best one of it:
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[orion9578]

Originally Posted by glorbgorb

At some point there will be too many of them. It started with X-Men Metal. All 200 base cards with PMG parallels. UD knew what they were doing. At some point collectors will have PMG fatigue and only pre-X-Men Metal will be sought after.

X-Men Metal added 200 (total) PMG cards per character, 100 Low & High series. I'm positive that won't flood the top tier market (Wolverine/DP/SW/X23/Gambit etc). Especially when 10 of those 100 are Green's. The middle tier of characters might be close to topped out, but that's what set collectors are for. The bottom tier there likely was very little interest from character collectors to begin with.

What you mention was talked about not to long ago, I think on the PMG thread. They'd have to work awful hard and put out a ton of sets per year to flood the market. At 100-200 PMG's per set and at the rate they put out sets...that'll never happen. Will the cards(PMG's) stay super hot, forever...I doubt that. But as long as people are collecting Marvel cards there will be demand for a few hundred high end cards of the top tier characters.

I think the only way they totally ruin it is if they go the route of 4+ sets a year and revert back to Bronze/Red/Blue/Green. That's what adds, in some cases, way to many...even for top tier. If they stay with the Red/Green, 100 per and only put out 1-2 sets every few years(also the two sets have different characters..), they can ride the train for decades. IMO .

With all that said, you're partially right when you mention stuff pre-XMen. The foil isn't great. A big swing and miss on their part. It'll almost assuredly be 13 > 15 >/= 17 > 18 > 20. Only way I see the order changing on the after 17 issue is if they do fix the foil issues and if they have good art on the new Spidey metal set coming out. IF (that seems like a big IF) they do that...that set will likely jump 18(it'll already jump 20 no matter what crap they put out). It could even rival 17 if foil issues are fixed AND the art is great(some of the 17 art isn't great, see MM1...hideous).

[Harow]

Originally Posted by orion9578

X-Men Metal added 200 (total) PMG cards per character, 100 Low & High series. I'm positive that won't flood the top tier market (Wolverine/DP/SW/X23/Gambit etc). Especially when 10 of those 100 are Green's. The middle tier of characters might be close to topped out, but that's what set collectors are for. The bottom tier there likely was very little interest from character collectors to begin with.

What you mention was talked about not to long ago, I think on the PMG thread. They'd have to work awful hard and put out a ton of sets per year to flood the market. At 100-200 PMG's per set and at the rate they put out sets...that'll never happen. Will the cards(PMG's) stay super hot, forever...I doubt that. But as long as people are collecting Marvel cards there will be demand for a few hundred high end cards of the top tier characters.

I think the only way they totally ruin it is if they go the route of 4+ sets a year and revert back to Bronze/Red/Blue/Green. That's what adds, in some cases, way to many...even for top tier. If they stay with the Red/Green, 100 per and only put out 1-2 sets every few years(also the two sets have different characters..), they can ride the train for decades. IMO .

With all that said, you're partially right when you mention stuff pre-XMen. The foil isn't great. A big swing and miss on their part. It'll almost assuredly be 13 > 15 >/= 17 > 18 > 20. Only way I see the order changing on the after 17 issue is if they do fix the foil issues and if they have good art on the new Spidey metal set coming out. IF (that seems like a big IF) they do that...that set will likely jump 18(it'll already jump 20 no matter what crap they put out). It could even rival 17 if foil issues are fixed AND the art is great(some of the 17 art isn't great, see MM1...hideous).

Agreed, unless UD goes the route of Topps with Star Wars, we won't need to worry until a few more years.

I mean when is Spidey metal going to hit exactly? And when did X men metal hit?

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by Harow

Agreed, unless UD goes the route of Topps with Star Wars, we won't need to worry until a few more years.

I mean when is Spidey metal going to hit exactly? And when did X men metal hit?

Spidey is already late. I don't quite recall when physical X-Men released but ePack was I think Oct(21)? Pretty sure that's right.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by orion9578

X-Men Metal added 200 (total) PMG cards per character, 100 Low & High series. I'm positive that won't flood the top tier market (Wolverine/DP/SW/X23/Gambit etc). Especially when 10 of those 100 are Green's. The middle tier of characters might be close to topped out, but that's what set collectors are for. The bottom tier there likely was very little interest from character collectors to begin with.

What you mention was talked about not to long ago, I think on the PMG thread. They'd have to work awful hard and put out a ton of sets per year to flood the market. At 100-200 PMG's per set and at the rate they put out sets...that'll never happen. Will the cards(PMG's) stay super hot, forever...I doubt that. But as long as people are collecting Marvel cards there will be demand for a few hundred high end cards of the top tier characters.

I think the only way they totally ruin it is if they go the route of 4+ sets a year and revert back to Bronze/Red/Blue/Green. That's what adds, in some cases, way to many...even for top tier. If they stay with the Red/Green, 100 per and only put out 1-2 sets every few years(also the two sets have different characters..), they can ride the train for decades. IMO .

With all that said, you're partially right when you mention stuff pre-XMen. The foil isn't great. A big swing and miss on their part. It'll almost assuredly be 13 > 15 >/= 17 > 18 > 20. Only way I see the order changing on the after 17 issue is if they do fix the foil issues and if they have good art on the new Spidey metal set coming out. IF (that seems like a big IF) they do that...that set will likely jump 18(it'll already jump 20 no matter what crap they put out). It could even rival 17 if foil issues are fixed AND the art is great(some of the 17 art isn't great, see MM1...hideous).

Spot on post. Only minor respectable disagreement is i think 17 will be greater than 15 as more time goes on. 17 needs just a little more time to pop more like 13/15 did. And I think the quality of the 17s are underappreciated.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Harow

Agreed, unless UD goes the route of Topps with Star Wars, we won't need to worry until a few more years.

I mean when is Spidey metal going to hit exactly? And when did X men metal hit?

X-men Metal physical I believe was Jun /21. It must have been pushed back somewhat since the back of cards say 2020. Spidey metal could be pushing about a year after the X-men release.

Im curious about when Spidey metal comes out on epack. If it's significantly under physical in price by that time, could we actually see an almost immediate sell-out for a huge print run product like that? Broken site like what happens with Unbound? Or is that pretty much infeasible because the sheer volume we're talking about (probably around 35k-ish boxes total, with a decently high percentage of that being on epack). A large release has never sold out like that in a day.

[finfangfan]

I think the ePack Spider-man base plate booklet achievements will also really drive sales. Can you imagine pulling the Spidey, Miles, and/or Venom?

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

X-men Metal physical I believe was Jun /21. It must have been pushed back somewhat since the back of cards say 2020. Spidey metal could be pushing about a year after the X-men release.

Im curious about when Spidey metal comes out on epack. If it's significantly under physical in price by that time, could we actually see an almost immediate sell-out for a huge print run product like that? Broken site like what happens with Unbound? Or is that pretty much infeasible because the sheer volume we're talking about (probably around 35k-ish boxes total, with a decently high percentage of that being on epack). A large release has never sold out like that in a day.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by Tim

Spot on post. Only minor respectable disagreement is i think 17 will be greater than 15 as more time goes on. 17 needs just a little more time to pop more like 13/15 did. And I think the quality of the 17s are underappreciated.

I'm almost there. It wasn't too awful long ago that I made an identical argument on the PMG thread. In that argument I had 15 firmly over 17, I think. I just went and visited my cards earlier this week and I'm pretty much in camp 17 > 15, beyond the fact that I'm an old dog and stubborn about things. Haha. 17 is a beautiful, beautiful set beyond a few choices in art.

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

X-men Metal physical I believe was Jun /21. It must have been pushed back somewhat since the back of cards say 2020. Spidey metal could be pushing about a year after the X-men release.

Im curious about when Spidey metal comes out on epack. If it's significantly under physical in price by that time, could we actually see an almost immediate sell-out for a huge print run product like that? Broken site like what happens with Unbound? Or is that pretty much infeasible because the sheer volume we're talking about (probably around 35k-ish boxes total, with a decently high percentage of that being on epack). A large release has never sold out like that in a day.

Pretty much agree with your ePack assessment of Spidey Metal. I think it'll be a very quick sell out for an extremely large set. A day might surprise me but a few days wouldn't. I think we'll see several large buyers (18 X-Men style perhaps?) and I also think we'll see several large group breakers. And maybe, just maybe...a first (that I know of at least!). We might see people, dark web style obviously as it can't be flaunted, selling wax via ePack. I've been waiting for someone to attempt it and this would be a good candidate. Either way, this set will be a madhouse.

[GrangerCollectr]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Precious Metal Gems are where it's at. It's a legendary set that crosses over into sports. Jambalaya inserts as well.

Don't forget the "Essential Credentials", they don't call them that in FUSM but they are the Century Now & Then parallels. Probably the most overlooked Marvel/Sports crossover at this point (granted they are picking up steam).

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

I think the ePack Spider-man base plate booklet achievements will also really drive sales. Can you imagine pulling the Spidey, Miles, and/or Venom?

It'll be crazy. Im wondering if they'll go with AF 15 for the high series Spiderman. Imagine a plate booklet of that.

Originally Posted by orion9578

Pretty much agree with your ePack assessment of Spidey Metal. I think it'll be a very quick sell out for an extremely large set. A day might surprise me but a few days wouldn't. I think we'll see several large buyers (18 X-Men style perhaps?) and I also think we'll see several large group breakers. And maybe, just maybe...a first (that I know of at least!). We might see people, dark web style obviously as it can't be flaunted, selling wax via ePack. I've been waiting for someone to attempt it and this would be a good candidate. Either way, this set will be a madhouse.

It does make you wonder if stuff like this will happen. If physical price ends up at like $1000, and epack is $250, that's a huge gap and something's going to happen, probably a near immediate sell-out. Maybe UD will adjust the epack price, but it'll be nothing near physical. I dont even know how the logistics of selling wax or breaking through epack would go down, but I wouldnt put it past people. I also know if this product sells out nearly immediately, then a lot of people wont be happy with UD at all...the fact this entire release has basically become unobtainable for the average collector just looking to buy some new marvel packs. Physical is already basically unobtainable for this type of collector.

[finfangfan]

There were online breakers for MUXM… and final day you’d see 3 cases drop at a time several different times. So it looks like that could be even more pronounced for MUSM from the getgo.

[daviswr7]

Oh I agree. If this really gets released at a fraction of physical price it would make sense for someone to buy a bunch of cases and sell later as a breaker. This is an immediate sellout in my opinion.

[BobCollects]

I wonder if UD will publicize the release date for e-Pack or just have a surprise drop.

Either way, as others have said it’s going to sell out fast and people are going to be upset. Unless UD institutes some sort of purchase limit per account or per day or raises the price astronomically.

Assuming prices are close to X-Men Metal I’m planning on buying a case on e-Pack if I can. Pricey but almost guaranteed to be worth it long term.


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