2021 Topps Chrome Tennis

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by panamamyers

Never will agree that Nadal belongs in the conversation other than on the peripheral.
He is a clay court specialist that is on the level of Andre Agassi or Ivan Lendl outside of France. An exceptional tennis player still...just not in the conversation for best ever.
Federer And Djokovic both still have double figure grand slams if you take away their best tournament.

If 60% of your grand slams are at one place that defines you as a specialist.

Looking forward to this set being released.

Nadal would have 8 majors if the French doesn't count, that's 5th all-time in the Open era. Andre won 50% of his majors in Australia, take away that and he has 4. Take Wimbledon away from Sampras and he was 7. Take away Australia from Djokovic and he has 12, take away hard courts and he has 8. Take away Wimbledon from Federer and he has 11. We can go on and on if we want to cherry pick.

I think Djokovic is slightly better, has a winning record over both at this point. But Nadal just beat the best player in the world at his own worse major, to win said major, at 35 years old. It's very close and the comparisons will happen for decades to come.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Are there any good direct comps to compare everyone though? I'm thinking Fed sells for a good 1.5-2x Novak and Nadal falls somewhere in between. Really hope they are all included and we find out! Need to stop getting my hopes up about what this product could be before a checklist comes out.

I've been buying plenty of tennis and Joker absolutely sells for more than Fed. His cheapest auto is around 3x the price of Federer. Even his cards from 2011 and 2012 sell for substantially more than Fed and they are both pretty far removed from either's rookie season.

[ianh182]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Nadal would have 8 majors if the French doesn't count, that's 5th all-time in the Open era. Andre won 50% of his majors in Australia, take away that and he has 4. Take Wimbledon away from Sampras and he was 7. Take away Australia from Djokovic and he has 12, take away hard courts and he has 8. Take away Wimbledon from Federer and he has 11. We can go on and on if we want to cherry pick.

I think Djokovic is slightly better, has a winning record over both at this point. But Nadal just beat the best player in the world at his own worse major, to win said major, at 35 years old. It's very close and the comparisons will happen for decades to come.

I think taking away specialist surfaces like clay and grass makes sense. I don't think removing hard court slam wins makes sense. Hard court tennis is "standard tennis" to me. You don't really get hard court specialists in my opinion.

[panamamyers]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Nadal would have 8 majors if the French doesn't count, that's 5th all-time in the Open era. Andre won 50% of his majors in Australia, take away that and he has 4. Take Wimbledon away from Sampras and he was 7. Take away Australia from Djokovic and he has 12, take away hard courts and he has 8. Take away Wimbledon from Federer and he has 11. We can go on and on if we want to cherry pick.

I think Djokovic is slightly better, has a winning record over both at this point. But Nadal just beat the best player in the world at his own worse major, to win said major, at 35 years old. It's very close and the comparisons will happen for decades to come.

I agree. Djokovic is better.

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by ianh182

I think taking away specialist surfaces like clay and grass makes sense. I don't think removing hard court slam wins makes sense. Hard court tennis is "standard tennis" to me. You don't really get hard court specialists in my opinion.

100% agree with this. If the French Open ceased to exist, no one would build clay courts anymore. If Wimbledon ceased to exist, no one would build grass courts anymore. If the US Open and the Australian Open ceased to exist, everyone would keep building hard courts anyway so long as people kept playing tennis.

The French and Wimbledon are functionally gimmick majors; their history permits it, but it's like if Augusta National Golf Club was capped at being 6400 yards or the FA Cup was played with 10 players a side.

[Jagsfansunshine]

I disagree - clay courts are standard in European countries like Spain and South American Countries -- and the green clay can be found in country clubs all over the U.S. So, clay courts are wide spread. They are just not the standard here, which is why you have players from South America and Spain dominate clay court tournaments, and Americans generally do better on hard court.

Grass is the outlier, but will always have a spot based on history since that's how the sport began. They require a ton of maintenance, which is why they are only found at more elite clubs. That said, you wouldn't find a professional tennis player who doesn't love the feel of playing on grass.

Originally Posted by tyrith

100% agree with this. If the French Open ceased to exist, no one would build clay courts anymore. If Wimbledon ceased to exist, no one would build grass courts anymore. If the US Open and the Australian Open ceased to exist, everyone would keep building hard courts anyway so long as people kept playing tennis.

The French and Wimbledon are functionally gimmick majors; their history permits it, but it's like if Augusta National Golf Club was capped at being 6400 yards or the FA Cup was played with 10 players a side.

[EW Cards]

Wow, I am REALLY l looking forward to this!

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I've been buying plenty of tennis and Joker absolutely sells for more than Fed. His cheapest auto is around 3x the price of Federer. Even his cards from 2011 and 2012 sell for substantially more than Fed and they are both pretty far removed from either's rookie season.

How much of that is due to the big difference in the amount of cards/autos of each available? I did fail to mention that I was only thinking about how non-auto cards will be valued, for whatever that's worth. I've paid practically no attention to Netpro or Ace products, but it doesn't look like there are really any good apples to apples comparisons out there. It's going to be really interesting to see how values play out because this product is sure to be consumed by a lot of people with very limited knowledge of the sport. Also brings a very unique collecting dynamic in terms of tennis fan zealots for Fed vs. Novak vs. Nadal. Will Fed's more universal popularity or Novak's passionate fan base win out?

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

How much of that is due to the big difference in the amount of cards/autos of each available? I did fail to mention that I was only thinking about how non-auto cards will be valued, for whatever that's worth. I've paid practically no attention to Netpro or Ace products, but it doesn't look like there are really any good apples to apples comparisons out there. It's going to be really interesting to see how values play out because this product is sure to be consumed by a lot of people with very limited knowledge of the sport. Also brings a very unique collecting dynamic in terms of tennis fan zealots for Fed vs. Novak vs. Nadal. Will Fed's more universal popularity or Novak's passionate fan base win out?

Non numbered autos of Joker go for substantially more. There are still autos of Federer available for under $1k but good luck finding a Joker auto for under $2500.

It is tough to compare prices because there are so few sets and they are a few years apart. A Joker jersey card from 2008 sells for 8-10x what a Federer jersey sells for but I guess some would say it's a 2nd year card for Joker and a 7th year card for Federer. But 2005 Jersey cards of Federer (which is the 2nd set he's in) /500 are routinely under $50. There are no Joker jersey cards even close to that -numbered or not.

[Jagsfansunshine]

So... anybody have any more details? Or just that it's being released sometime later this year? Topps is leaving me hanging.

[Ferg1945]

Ash Barty retires just shy of her 26th Birthday.

World #1
3-time Grand Slam Champion

[exospheer]

Definitely high on my radar when this releases.

[Phils747]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Ash Barty retires just shy of her 26th Birthday.

World #1
3-time Grand Slam Champion

Nice GIF!

Definitely a big shock. Heck of a career, shame as a tennis fan that it was so short. Maybe it's wishful thinking but I wonder if she'll be back at some point even just to play the Australian swing. She'd be guaranteed wild cards as long as she would want them.

[LittleJimmies]

Sooooooo, about that Topps Chrome Tennis....

[IronCladLou]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Sooooooo, about that Topps Chrome Tennis....

I NEED

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by IronCladLou

I NEED

They're making some last minute changes now that the Wander Franco of tennis is emerging.... JJ Wolf! Actually am a huge fan of his after watching him at Ohio State.

[Jagsfansunshine]

Wolfman!!! That guy is awesome. Hopefully is a last sec addition.

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

They're making
some last minute changes now that the Wander Franco of tennis is emerging.... JJ Wolf! Actually am a huge fan of his after watching him at Ohio State.

[MIRRABB]

It would be great if it had a big checklist and included lower ranked players too. Either way, good timing for an Alcaraz RC.

[premium1981]

Well......

We're waiting..........

[Jagsfansunshine]

So - are we going to have a 2021 product available in 2023? lol..

[gunnerpei]

Still no sign of this product huh?


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[quackhead]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Totally depends on checklist.

McEnroe, Agassi, Sampras, Martina, Graf, Seles, Connors, Borg, Laver, Lendl, Becker, King, Evert, Ashe, etc etc etc

And that list doesn't include anyone who has played in the last 5 years.... the checklist will be a huge reason for this sets immediate and future success.

Wonder if he made the checklist considering what just happened.


https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/...uptcy-offenses

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Wonder if he made the checklist considering what just happened.


https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/...uptcy-offenses

I dont see how that's hiding money

The 54-year-old German was found to have transferred hundreds of thousands of pounds after his June 2017 bankruptcy from his business account to other accounts, including those of ex-wife Barbara and estranged wife Sharlely "Lilly" Becker.

I have an Ex-wife and any money that goes her way is as good as gone. It does sound like it was for child or spousal support.

In general though, it doesnt seem like a cancel culture event.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I dont see how that's hiding money


I have an Ex-wife and any money that goes her way is as good as gone. It does sound like it was for child or spousal support.

In general though, it doesnt seem like a cancel culture event.

He was convicted of hiding assets from a bankruptcy. Transferring money was a part of it. Not saying he should be banned forever or tear down his statue in Germany. He may have hurt his image in tennis and may not be good for marketing, if they get the Topps Chrome going soon.

[nickdrizzle]

what a tease... there has been 0 info on this set