Nolan Gorman

[notoriousrmb]

If you have to explain why a guy is good, he won't be hobby good.

Do I think Nolan will be fun to watch in STL? Absolutely. Will he be a solid MLB'er? Absolutely.

Will he be a long lasting hobby superstar? Nope. Hype train has long departed.

Sell the bump on callup when he hits his first homer.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

If you have to explain why a guy is good, he won't be hobby good.

Do I think Nolan will be fun to watch in STL? Absolutely. Will he be a solid MLB'er? Absolutely.

Will he be a long lasting hobby superstar? Nope. Hype train has long departed.

Sell the bump on callup when he hits his first homer.

I am debating between selling now or waiting on call up.

Based on what I see, I could basically break even with the lone 1st chrome auto I bought of his way back. Maybe make like $10-$20.

[Silent George]

Edmundo Sosa hurt tonight.

DeJong hitting .095 in AAA.

Tomorrow may be the day, but I suspect Kramer Robertson may be recalled.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Stech36

The problem is the strikeout rate will likely be higher than this in the majors and he will not produce a .295 average with a higher strikeout rate. You can’t just use his AAA numbers and act like that’s what he’d be doing in the majors.

In today's environment I'd project him to hit .220/,270/.410 in The Show. That would be good for about 5% below average offense. That is more than acceptable for a 2nd baseman and he's got plenty of upside beyond that.

We are very clearly waiting for the service time manipulation date to pass at this point.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Silent George

Edmundo Sosa hurt tonight.

DeJong hitting .095 in AAA.

Tomorrow may be the day, but I suspect Kramer Robertson may be recalled.

[boxbuster7]

You guys are under estimating how good this kid is going to be. He is 21 and raking in AAA. First round pick, has the pedigree.

With that said, I would not mind if the cardinals waited another month.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

You guys are under estimating how good this kid is going to be. He is 21 and raking in AAA. First round pick, has the pedigree.

With that said, I would not mind if the cardinals waited another month.

He's actually 22 first thing.

But people are put off by the high K rate and 2 lackluster years before this year.

Maybe he translates really well to the majors and is a stud All Star 2B, but I gotta stick with my gut on this one and think he's going to be more similar to Dan Uggla than Ryne Sandberg.

[Aultimate21]

Originally Posted by Zauron

He's actually 22 first thing.

But people are put off by the high K rate and 2 lackluster years before this year.

Maybe he translates really well to the majors and is a stud All Star 2B, but I gotta stick with my gut on this one and think he's going to be more similar to Dan Uggla than Ryne Sandberg.

I thought he played really well last year, what am I missing? 2019 was rough for sure

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by Zauron

He's actually 22 first thing.

But people are put off by the high K rate and 2 lackluster years before this year.

Maybe he translates really well to the majors and is a stud All Star 2B, but I gotta stick with my gut on this one and think he's going to be more similar to Dan Uggla than Ryne Sandberg.

So 25 homeruns between AA and AAA with a batting average of .279 and OPS of .814 is called lackluster .

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by cardozo

So 25 homeruns between AA and AAA with a batting average of .279 and OPS of .814 is called lackluster .

His k rate last year was 22%, is that extremely bad?

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by cardozo

So 25 homeruns between AA and AAA with a batting average of .279 and OPS of .814 is called lackluster .

In 70+ games in AAA, he slashed .274/.320/.465. I would consider that lackluster for a supposed stud prospect?

He struck out 63 times in 300+ at bats last year. He's at 50 already in 133. There have been 5 games this year where he didn't strike out at all. 16 games he's struck out 2 or more times. 5 games he has struck out 3 times or more.

After an insane April start, he has cooled off considerably.

But if you don't think the K rate this year is alarming, then I don't know what to tell you.

[ThoseBackPages]

also, he is on the Cardinals. not exactly a hobby hot bed historically. Sure, he COULD break that trend, but odds are he will not.

again, i think he can be a serviceable MLBer, and possibly a good fantasy option due to playing second base.

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by Zauron

In 70+ games in AAA, he slashed .274/.320/.465. I would consider that lackluster for a supposed stud prospect?

He struck out 63 times in 300+ at bats last year. He's at 50 already in 133. There have been 5 games this year where he didn't strike out at all. 16 games he's struck out 2 or more times. 5 games he has struck out 3 times or more.

After an insane April start, he has cooled off considerably.

But if you don't think the K rate this year is alarming, then I don't know what to tell you.

This year it’s definitely higher but you were bringing up previous years. But all things considered the offensive upside and a decent chance that he adjusts in time warrant a call up sooner than later.

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

also, he is on the Cardinals. not exactly a hobby hot bed historically. Sure, he COULD break that trend, but odds are he will not.

again, i think he can be a serviceable MLBer, and possibly a good fantasy option due to playing second base.

Cardinals cards actually sell pretty decent, players like Brock, McGwire, Smith, Molina, Pujols all do well in the secondary market. Obviously Gorman is no where close but if he succeeds on a major league level I can see a significant value bump.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by cardozo

This year it’s definitely higher but you were bringing up previous years. But all things considered the offensive upside and a decent chance that he adjusts in time warrant a call up sooner than later.

I mean, I am by no means saying he will be a bust. I just don't see him being that elite stud, if that makes sense. I mean, I think the Cards would love to have another Dan Uggla out there, but that wouldn't translate well to hobby success or anything.

Also, hopefully his defense wouldn't be as bad as Uggla's was.

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by Zauron

I mean, I am by no means saying he will be a bust. I just don't see him being that elite stud, if that makes sense. I mean, I think the Cards would love to have another Dan Uggla out there, but that wouldn't translate well to hobby success or anything.

Also, hopefully his defense wouldn't be as bad as Uggla's was.

He has power and will hit a ton of homeruns, that’s a given. Question is how long it will take Gorman to get there. Unfortunately offense is valued more than defense in the hobby, that’s just the way it is. His defense is okay considering the move to 2B and with more experience it should only improve.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Zauron

He's actually 22 first thing.

But people are put off by the high K rate and 2 lackluster years before this year.

Maybe he translates really well to the majors and is a stud All Star 2B, but I gotta stick with my gut on this one and think he's going to be more similar to Dan Uggla than Ryne Sandberg.

He celebrated his 22nd birthday 9 days ago...

The three true outcomes dominates the game these days, so strikeouts aren't as big of a concern. The rebuttal would be that he has a hole in his swing, but not from the highlights I've seen. His swing is pretty compact. And I'd say Gormans profiles way less as an Adam Dunn type player, and more as a robinson cano type.

If he is good enough he will make adjustments not only at AAA level, but in the show.

But as Wander, Witt, Julio and many others have shown us, the big leagues is tough. And you can't just be good to be hobby relevant. So it will be fun to see if he can do it!

[80s Kid]

I want to see Nolan Gorman and Matthew Liberatore both up. Don’t care about prospect status. Care more about how cool it is these two from Arizona played with each other on the same club teams, then high school rivals, then moving up together with the sam org.

[unclemonkey]

He's stashed in my minor league roster in a dynasty league.

Very happy.

Have nothing hobby related ATM.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

In today's environment I'd project him to hit .220/,270/.410 in The Show. That would be good for about 5% below average offense. That is more than acceptable for a 2nd baseman and he's got plenty of upside beyond that.

We are very clearly waiting for the service time manipulation date to pass at this point.

Not when you have Tommy Edman as your second baseman.

And I’d argue Brendan Donovan won’t have any trouble hitting that triple slash line.

I think Gorman could definitely use more time in AAA. I think he’ll be a good hitter eventually, but I don’t see him benefiting the cardinals all that much at the moment.

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by cardozo

Cardinals cards actually sell pretty decent, players like Brock, McGwire, Smith, Molina, Pujols all do well in the secondary market. Obviously Gorman is no where close but if he succeeds on a major league level I can see a significant value bump.

yes, St. Louis is literally the baseball city that invented the phrase "fanatics" - It's been a long time since the Cardinals have had a heralded offensive prospect - Oscar Taveras - but it's annoying as hell that even with no "hobby darlings" their break slots always come with a premium. The way Jordan Walker is developing, I suspect his rookie year is going to look like hungry piranhas after a cow.

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by Stech36

Not when you have Tommy Edman as your second baseman.

And I’d argue Brendan Donovan won’t have any trouble hitting that triple slash line.

I think Gorman could definitely use more time in AAA. I think he’ll be a good hitter eventually, but I don’t see him benefiting the cardinals all that much at the moment.

Edman's greatest value is that he can play multiple positions as a plus defender. I'm not a huge Edman supporter, but I do think they could put him at Left Tackle, and you'd be stunned how immediately adept he is at defense there. He just often can't hit enough to justify it.

But it's a big weapon to have virtually any injury and know you can plug Edman into that spot, and that's exactly how he should be used. They have a gap at SS at the moment. The idea is that you don't want to diminish his glove at 2B, a gold glove 2B to a passable SS is bad.

But in 122 innings Edman is +3 DRS at SS. +3 fielding bible. You almost lose nothing in having him there. Frankly, even if you do want Donovan over Gorman, Donovan should be at 2B, his natural position, and Edman should be at SS.

[mwash1983]

He’s getting the call

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Starting at 2B tomorrow!

[ThoseBackPages]

Topps NOW!!!