Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. - Page 624

clocsta2323 · 07-02-2022, 12:05 PM

Vlad had a great June. .938 OPS 9 dingers, 22 Ribbies

BBases31 · 07-02-2022, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dmanrico

Uh, this is pretty comical. Your subjectivity is in your selection of who you apply these stats to. So your statement is pretty disingenuous. You never present these exact same stats in the Soto thread, who you love. Please go there now and present solely these exact same Soto stats which, with being purely objective will obviously must lead to the same conclusion regarding Soto.

The subjectiveness of posting the best offensive stat, OPS, and the best overall stat WAR. Got me!

Soto is far better than Guerrero, that's not debatable, and in his career has 20.4 WAR and a .958 OPS. Guerrero has 7.9 and an .875 OPS. What's the point?

BigSlim16 · 07-02-2022, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

The subjectiveness of posting the best offensive stat, OPS, and the best overall stat WAR. Got me!

Soto is far better than Guerrero, that's not debatable, and in his career has 20.4 WAR and a .958 OPS. Guerrero has 7.9 and an .875 OPS. What's the point?

1. Soto has played significantly more games than Vlad
2. It’s interesting that you give out fWAR not bWAR

BBases31 · 07-02-2022, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSlim16

1. Soto has played significantly more games than Vlad

Soto has 541 to Guerrero's 420. Soto has 25% more games played and 250% more WAR

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2. It’s interesting that you give out fWAR not bWAR

Because bWAR is garbage and barely used. It has Tommy Edman as the #1 player this season.

RobTheGood · 07-02-2022, 12:26 PM

who cares

Chris P · 07-02-2022, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

He had a better June but is still putting up disappointing numbers overall.

Season totals with his MLB ranks in parenthesis:

AVG: .261(61st)
OPS: .840(33rd)
WAR: 1.6(54th)

If he doesn't start producing at a much higher rate, his card prices are going to drop over the coming months. Bad time to buy

I don't even get the point of this post. Just negative to be negative.

dmanrico · 07-02-2022, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

The subjectiveness of posting the best offensive stat, OPS, and the best overall stat WAR. Got me!

Soto is far better than Guerrero, that's not debatable, and in his career has 20.4 WAR and a .958 OPS. Guerrero has 7.9 and an .875 OPS. What's the point?

Ah BBases. The master of the redirect. Please reread my post. Please go to the Soto thread and post the following for Soto:

A) his 2022 season BA with mlb rank
B) his 2022 season OPS with mlb rank
C) his 2022 season WAR with mlb rank

and then use the same logic with Soto you’re applying to Guerrero. And since you just admitted these are the best stats to use, you shouldn’t have any argument in doing this.

BBases31 · 07-02-2022, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dmanrico

Ah BBases. The master of the redirect. Please reread my post. Please go to the Soto thread and post the following for Soto:

A) his 2022 season BA with mlb rank
B) his 2022 season OPS with mlb rank
C) his 2022 season WAR with mlb rank

and then use the same logic with Soto you’re applying to Guerrero. And since you just admitted these are the best stats to use, you shouldn’t have any argument in doing this.

Uhhh you are more than welcome to go make that post, no argument from me. Go right ahead!

zac949 · 07-02-2022, 12:46 PM

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Uhhh you are more than welcome to go make that post, no argument from me. Go right ahead!

Troll here but not in a player’s thread that you’re heavily invested in? Smart decision.

BBases31 · 07-02-2022, 12:54 PM

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Troll here but not in a player’s thread that you’re heavily invested in? Smart decision.

Posting WAR and OPS is trolling? I've got about the same number of Soto cards as Guerrero(under 10)

. Vast majority of what I'm "heavily invested" is MVP Shohei GOATani. Though I don't consider cards any more than a hobby that happens to be profitable as opposed to an investment.

dmanrico · 07-02-2022, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by zac949

Troll here but not in a player’s thread that you’re heavily invested in? Smart decision.

Agreed. Exactly my point.

rngrdanny22 · 07-02-2022, 12:58 PM

Please, for the love of baseball cards, STOP REPLYING TO THAT GUY.

BBases31 · 07-02-2022, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Please, for the love of baseball cards, STOP REPLYING TO THAT GUY.

The pact didn't last a single post! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!

ThoseBackPages · 07-02-2022, 01:39 PM

lol stat nerds

Mymoneypls · 07-02-2022, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

He had a better June but is still putting up disappointing numbers overall.

Season totals with his MLB ranks in parenthesis:

AVG: .261(61st)
OPS: .840(33rd)
WAR: 1.6(54th)

If he doesn't start producing at a much higher rate, his card prices are going to drop over the coming months. Bad time to buy

His Card prices have already had a significantly drop since May. If you believe in Vladdy it’s actually a decent time to buy, but can’t blame anyone wanting to wait till the off-season to buy.

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Triple B · 07-02-2022, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

The pact didn't last a single post! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!

Calm down, Orlando. No need to get all riled up. People are just used to your basic take on things and aren't seeing things in same linear, one-dimensional way that you do and THAT'S OKAY. In your world, there is 1-2 stats that dictate card prices and the fact that that doesn't apply to the real world has you flummoxed. THAT'S OKAY, TOO.

Don't get angry. Just be better.

eye4talent · 07-02-2022, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RobTheGood

who cares

What he said.

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eye4talent · 07-02-2022, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Please, for the love of baseball cards, STOP REPLYING TO THAT GUY.

What he said.

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BigSlim16 · 07-02-2022, 06:59 PM

HR #19, RBI #51

BBases31 · 07-03-2022, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple B

In your world, there is 1-2 stats that dictate card prices and the fact that that doesn't apply to the real world

OPS and WAR do dictate prices whether you want to believe it or not. Why? Because it's impossible to get in range of an MVP without being tops in either. Guerrero wouldn't even sniff the top 30 of MVP voting right now. People expect Guerrero to compete for MVPs. They were duped by the Minor League parks juicing his numbers last year. He'll never have that again. He can't come close to winning when he doesn't have those 60 games a season in Minor League parks. No one is paying top dollar for an above average hitter who can't play defense and splits time between 1B and DH. That's why his prices are going down and will continue to go down the rest of the season, I guarantee it. Could he eventually turn into a top 5 hitter in baseball? Of course. But he is very far from that right now

ScooterD · 07-03-2022, 08:13 AM

^^^ Verlander has never been close to tops in either stat, and he has an MVP. So - it’s not impossible

BBases31 · 07-03-2022, 08:51 AM

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^^^ Verlander has never been close to tops in either stat, and he has an MVP. So - it’s not impossible

Times change. Nowadays no one is winning an MVP without being near the top of the WAR charts. Forget winning, Guerrero isn't cracking a top 30(if it went that far down) in MVP voting this season. He's having a good season, but it's far under card market expectations and not good enough for how high his prices are

Triple B · 07-03-2022, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

OPS and WAR do dictate prices whether you want to believe it or not. Why? Because it's impossible to get in range of an MVP without being tops in either. Guerrero wouldn't even sniff the top 30 of MVP voting right now. People expect Guerrero to compete for MVPs. They were duped by the Minor League parks juicing his numbers last year. He'll never have that again. He can't come close to winning when he doesn't have those 60 games a season in Minor League parks. No one is paying top dollar for an above average hitter who can't play defense and splits time between 1B and DH. That's why his prices are going down and will continue to go down the rest of the season, I guarantee it. Could he eventually turn into a top 5 hitter in baseball? Of course. But he is very far from that right now

As has been pointed out to you in many other threads that you post your nonsense in, this is all incorrect. You sound like a huge Oprah Winfrey fan, but unfortunately for you and Oprah, just because you want to will something into being, it doesn’t mean that’s how it is.

Unfortunately for you (and this is one of many places your frustrations must come from, I’ve speculated on a few reasons to you myself), most people don’t give a crap about WAR. There are intangibles that affect prices. Joey Gallo’s cards still sell and he’s been abysmal at best, but people are still buying.

Again, these are just message boards. You getting upset just adds more negativity to your seemingly miserable personal life. Maybe read up on how the hobby works instead of pushing the same thing OVER AND OVER and maybe people will finally listen…?

dmanrico · 07-03-2022, 09:39 AM

Was watching the game yesterday and they showed a camera angle from the rear of the crowd where you could see the backs of all the jerseys everyone was wearing. Was crazy how many Guerrero jerseys were being worn. Fun to see how popular Guerrero is with the fans there.

BBases31 · 07-03-2022, 10:28 AM

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Unfortunately for you (and this is one of many places your frustrations must come from, I’ve speculated on a few reasons to you myself), most people don’t give a crap about WAR.

Actually they do. Because people care about MVPs and you can't win one without top WAR

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There are intangibles that affect prices. Joey Gallo’s cards still sell and he’s been abysmal at best, but people are still buying.

WAR matters for MVPs, period. No one is buying Gallo because they think he can win an MVP. They are buying Guerrero because they think he might win one or get close, but he can't. Unfortunately, they got duped by the juiced Minor League park numbers last year.

If Guerrero winds up being a very good hitter that trudges along at 3-4 WAR every year, his prices will crater from where they are. He'll always have a popularity and fame premium, but right now the prices being paid are baking in very big things. Things that he is currently falling way short of.

I'll state it again, I guarantee Guerrero's prices will continue to go down from here for the rest of the season. 54th in WAR is not going to cut it

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dmanrico Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 2,469	Was watching the game yesterday and they showed a camera angle from the rear of the crowd where you could see the backs of all the jerseys everyone was wearing. Was crazy how many Guerrero jerseys were being worn. Fun to see how popular Guerrero is with the fans there.